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Jan 28, 2001, 7:59pm

I don't know why nobody except me and Nathan ever notice this but in AW3.0
at very large coordinates, the object placement code is VERY unprecise
missing my a few centimeters. Roland himself even acknowledged this but
essentially, we got a "live with it" response.

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Feb 2, 2001, 8:18pm

Nah, he's just an incompetant newbie that doesn't get it. LOLOLOL!

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Jan 29, 2001, 11:11pm

Personally, I'd go for somthing tangible... Hrmm, Asus A7V, 512mb of RAM,
Tbird 1.1GHz, Plextor Plexwriter 12x8x52x, IBM Deskstar 40 gig, Prophet 2
DDR 64MB w/ s00p3r kewl kewling paQ, Soundblaster Live Platinum 5.1, 25"
Sony monitor, really SWEET speakers and a HP Color LaserJet.
Oh yeah\, 650 watt power supply so I dont overload it and burn out all my
k00l shit. Anyway, thats me.

Can I borrow someone's CCN and 'spirey date? :)

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Feb 2, 2001, 7:08pm

It doesnt do anything when a rotate command encroaches. It doesn't check for
encroachment for each rotation step.

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Feb 5, 2001, 7:23pm

Why not have the client handle it? Just check all objects in visibility on
it's current citnum for encroachment AS it moves/rotates/does
backflips/whatever, not beforehand.

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Jan 30, 2001, 6:49pm

I have a half-done build at 30504n 0w AW (stopped because of the gaps), I
may still have demonstration objects of this behind it. The gaps are quite
L A R G E and you can't miss it (if it's there
anymore)

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Jan 30, 2001, 8:03pm

One word-Vaporware. It'll never succeed like AW has. If you can call this
success....

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Feb 3, 2001, 1:53pm

I have my reasons not to learn how to program, and I'm sure Eep does too.
Perhaps he tries to maintain some sort of life beyond the monitor. And is it
REALLY that hard to quote the previous message so we know what in (insert
supreme being here)'s name you're talking about.

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Jan 31, 2001, 1:19am

Where the hell do they come from? *filter*

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Jan 31, 2001, 6:04pm

Get your own damn NG/Forum. I don't want to hear about AW clones that will
end up going NOWHERE in the AW group. Now if it were better, I could stand
it. However, OGL support isn't going to make it better. Theres a VERY small
group of OGL supporting cards that don't support D3d. An upcoming AW version
will support OGL (3.2 possibly) and personally, I can wait.

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Feb 1, 2001, 7:29pm

*shrug* Macs can run Windows so long as a PC emulator is in place on the
machine. That's now a pretty common practice for home Mac users. Now I don't
know jack about Linux since I haven't had the time or the energy to set up a
dual boot (<rant> The thing schools don't realize is that book smarts are
nothing compared to street smarts. They try to shelter and protect us from
life by keeping us doing their work all damn day and night. I COULD be
working a job right now but instead I'm sitting here doing homework and
typing a NG message. </rant>) to learn the damn thing.

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Jan 31, 2001, 9:11pm

That ton of overlapping was an attempt at perfecting double sided walls.
Anyway, the demonstration is at 30504n 13w (Ignore the AWLD priv object
there, Roland or somebody moved one of the objects and never cleaned up
after themselves).

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Feb 1, 2001, 7:24pm

[View Quote] Apparenly so. They don't appear to be created with any difference on any of
my machines, all of which use different video cards, CPUs, etc. At first
when the non-flush objects were brought up in the beta group, it seemed that
people with AMD CPUs (K5 thru Athlon at the time, but I can verify that it
happens on all Athlon varients as well) noticed it first and only one or 2
people with Intel Celerys encountered thems. It's DEFINITELY not hardware,
it's all Roland's fault. Computers can do perfect math. He can't even come
CLOSE.

Feb 2, 2001, 7:11pm

With my GF2MX card, the objects don't settle into place as severely. They
stay comparatively still causing seams to appear less frequently. However,
the large coordinate gaps (often more than a few centimeters) are the common
denominator between all my 3d cards. It's not video that's at issue with
them, but the actual placement of the object.

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Feb 2, 2001, 7:23pm

I definitely agree that a database rewrite should be the focus for 3.2. Of
course this means that backwards compatibility to 2.2 would go out the
window. IMO it's time to cut the fat and drop the behind-the-times users.
99.9% of computers for the past 2-3 years have shipped with 3d hardware.
Those that haven't coughemachinescough were sold to impotent twits anyway.
Rewrite the database and add T&L and such to 3.3/4.0. That makes SENSE. The
more window dressing is added, the uglier the ugly things become. Eventually
we'll have every 3d feature supported from old Voodoo cards to the NV20
(nVidia's next generation chipset which I personally prefer calling GeForce
3) but the bugs we bitch about now will be so obvious it hurts to look at.

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Feb 3, 2001, 2:02pm

LOL. Apparently PCWorld has been holding that article for 2-3 years now. Or
they're talking about worlds chat. I think it's about time to cancel my
subscription.

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Feb 3, 2001, 2:02pm

Duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

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Feb 3, 2001, 2:09pm

Okay, maybe Col Wank won't understand my previous message. So let's put it
in easier to understand terms. Dammit you idiot, stop being so paranoid
about virii. Half of em are hoaxes, including most of the ones you listed. I
don't run a firewall, I don't run antivirus software, I don't get hacked,
nor do I get any virii. However, so you shut the HELL up, get a firewall and
get a copy of norton antivirus and update it daily. Then you'll never get
anything, and it's our own fault if we do.

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Feb 3, 2001, 8:02pm

It might be there but it obviously isn't doing a damn thing, nor is it
distributing itself to my address book (or Roland, AFM [Not a bad thing
there], Jessie, Nate, and half a million other people would know about it).
Never heard of a virus that does nothing (mostly because as it does nothing,
nobody ever notices). Oh well, maybe out of curiosity I'll scan one day. If
I get REALLY bored

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Feb 3, 2001, 1:48pm

I doubt he even knows what his video card(s) is. I know my cards better than
my lover and can easily specify everything up to and including the
dimensions of the heatsinks/fans and the adhesive/thermal paste used to
secure them. Not that you ever need to know this stuff, but you get the
point. aasmund most likely operates from a company computer and plays with
AW when the boss isn't looking, and then pretends to be a techie when he has
no clue what's even loaded onto his workstation. As for him being on closed
beta, it's highly likely. Only maybe 2 people with any testing aptitude made
the cut. Only 10 with any computer skills PERIOD made it.

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Feb 3, 2001, 1:57pm

You make me sick. If I remember properly in his header it says to turn word
wrap on. If you used a half decent newsreader, it would automatically be on
anyway (Netscape, Outlook). Stop complaining twit, it just makes you appear
to be the homosexual you really are. And DAMMIT KID. DONT POST IN HTML.

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Feb 3, 2001, 4:19pm

I know, isn't it? I don't think she can work a newsreader though. And no,
she didn't make the 3.1 beta

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Feb 3, 2001, 8:11pm

I've read every single message in this group (the older ones more than
once). However, I don't archive them nor memorize them. And despite the
comments that certain lurkers in these groups have sent to my email inbox, I
do have a wife, I do have a girl and I can't tell you what video cooler is
best for your SiS 6439 (Uhhh?). As for not pretending to be a techie, I most
likely either misread or read into your posts. In any event, you could still
tell us what video cards supposedly don't show gaps.

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Feb 3, 2001, 8:21pm

In a couple of weeks? Umm? Isn't that a bit long to wait? If you know of a
video card which doesn't show gaps just tell us WTF it is. Saying "this one
has gaps and this one doesnt" tells those of us who care nothing. I remember
when the 3.0 beta first came out. At the time I ran a non-3d Cyrix MII 233.
Downloaded the beta and discovered that the gaps were apparently absent.
Then afterwards, they seemingly reappeared with a hardware change (FRIED
that comp like bacon). It was an SiS video chipset with a 3 digit model
number onboard an AT motherboard which supported Cyrix MII (Socket 7?). Of
course when I got back into the game, AW3 beta had advanced several builds
so the initial beta may have been without this problem. Also, the objects
all appeared to line up flush leading one to believe that it was also more
precise. Sorry for going on like this but I suddenly remembered this first
3.0 experience and thought it might be worth sharing since it is marginally
on topic with this thread

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Feb 3, 2001, 10:40pm

I'm aware of the dual bug situation. Strange thing is most people tend to
ignore the existance of both tempting Roland to just leave it all alone. As
for Roland saying the inaccurate object positioning is a complex issue, why
the hell didn't it occur in 2.2? Why not just fall back to the old object
placement code which was OBVIOUSLY more accurate and independent of the
display (the object's coordinates are calculated wrong and therefore stored
wrong on the server and being displayed right where the server says they
should be). Why did he even muck with it in the first place?

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Feb 4, 2001, 4:30pm

Guillemot/Hercules 3d Prophet II MX (GeForce II MX) shows seams, but very
rarely compared to other cards (TNT2 Vanta Plus for example). Gaps are an
ever-present evil.

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Anything, about her... She's just the flavor of the week.
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Feb 7, 2001, 7:03pm

Well, globally filtering Eep would be a bad idea as he provides useful
information between flame wars. Those of us who don't want to hear him
don't. We don't need your help to silence one of the few here that know what
the hell goes on. Moderation of the group would prove to be a pain, as it
has been before. You need to let people do things on their own, like
ignoring or filtering what THEY don't want. Censorship SUCKS. As of late,
children aren't as shielded from the outside world. The vast majority of AW
users are in this age group (or so it seems) with only a few that I know of
not being allowed to read the types of things that get said in here. It's
not like Eep has posted sex movies or anything. Just provided good
information and policing, which can get harsh sometimes. Theres somthing in
this country (United States of America) called freedom of speech. I'm not
going to say it's the law on the internet and that you can say anything you
want anywhere, because you can't. BUT, it applies loosely to this situation
because the only REAL reason I can see for your posting this is that he
jumped on your company's back for unreliability. Constructive criticism?
Maybe, if it were listened to instead of being brushed off as someone else's
problem. Let's face it, if Eep were removed, would we be able to have any
constructive threads with the recent influx of newbies voicing their
OPINIONS on factual information? The occassional one-sided flame war is
inevitable in any group. I can just see the replies the anti-eepists are
going to post for this message, but think about it this way. In a group
project at work or school (whicher applies best to you), if the teacher/boss
decides not to allow one of the people in your group not to participate for
insubordination, would you be able to get as much work done?

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Of all the girls he wish she was, and he means everything to her. Her
boyfriend, he dont know,
Anything, about her... She's just the flavor of the week.
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Feb 8, 2001, 12:24am

[View Quote] Oh comon. You hafta have a sense of humor. Build a firepit in da board room
and hang some irons from the walls. Oh yeah, don't forget the pointed tail
and horns! Plant a bug on Rick's office computer that types "I AM SATAN!"
every time he pushes the 6 key.
> F.
>
>


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Of all the girls he wish she was, and he means everything to her. Her
boyfriend, he dont know,
Anything, about her... She's just the flavor of the week.
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Feb 8, 2001, 6:13pm

Facter, I think you're a bit too into this Survivor thing. But I'll go along
with it as the decision to remove someone is NOT to be left up to one person
in power in my opinion (on a long term basis). No recounts should be allowed
either. Now for a quick word. If Eep goes, who's next? Could this be the
beginning of the end for any peace in these groups? Stay tuned...

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She'll wash her hair, his dirty clothes, for all he gives to her. And he's
got posters on the wall
Of all the girls he wish she was, and he means everything to her. Her
boyfriend, he dont know,
Anything, about her... She's just the flavor of the week.
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Feb 8, 2001, 8:45pm

Amen. AWCI's yearly $20 contributions and testing services from me are
likely to end if global censorship of intelligent people for "offensive"
comments becomes a common occurance. If one or two people get nailed for
being impolite or rude, whos to say I'm not next? Censorship, once started
will always go out of control. Movies now get R ratings for having topless
men (Seems like it anyway). On radio, you can't say "shit" without a fine
being pried from you station's wallet. Online, censorship is still few and
far between. However, it's increasing in frequency by the minute. Any
company that practices censorship for somthing that users could have done
(GZs of worlds and such where there is a heavy concentration of people being
policed by PKs is almost too much) simply doesn't deserve my money. I will
NOT fund programs that slowly crack down on my rights as an American along
with the rest of the world's people. If one company adopts censorship
practices, others will follow suit. Eventually, the world will become a
place where nobody can have an opinion, speak their mind or even think their
own thoughts for fear of being politically incorrect, being gently arrested
by one white police officer and one black police officer, taken to a mixed
male/female prison and executed in the most sterile and painless way as
possible.

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Wing
This little spot is dedicated to my girl, Jessie.
She paints her nails, and she dont know, he's got her best friend on the
phone,
She'll wash her hair, his dirty clothes, for all he gives to her. And he's
got posters on the wall
Of all the girls he wish she was, and he means everything to her. Her
boyfriend, he dont know,
Anything, about her... She's just the flavor of the week.
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