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Jan 4, 2002, 5:48pm
what makes you so sure they are stupid enough to keep it after 98% of the
citezins leave...
[View Quote]trekkerx <zac at commatron.com> wrote in message
news:3c353a3d$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Im willing to bet 10 bucks (American Dollars) that in a year or less that
> Activeworlds Corp will die off or go out of busness because of the new
> pricing system... any takers???
>
> --
> TrekkerX
> Commatron & Athnex
> http://www.commatron.com
> http://www.athnex.com
> "dotar sojat" <barsoom at my.activeworlds.com> wrote in message
> news:3C336833.B89BB85C at my.activeworlds.com...
> way. By
tourist
> mode
net
> has a
> about the
> the
> pay.
> would
> is
> still
> can't
into
> to
question
the
> extremely
> the
of
much
> renewing
> it
> feel
> it. I
> new
*watches
> the
with
>
>
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Jan 2, 2002, 9:05pm
actually...worlds will stay they same they said...and you also know
what...if they split it up like 10 every 6 months it would be easier to pay
since you dont have to pay it all every month...most people dont save they
wait until the time to pay gets close and then complain they wotn have
enough...makign smaller payments will make it easier to pay...i say like $4
every 3 months...that would be about $20 a year right? and its a hell of a
lot easier to pay
[View Quote]moff piett <baronjutter at shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:3c339034$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> 90% of the people I know that use aw feel just "ok" with the price now,
and
> I'm constantly hearing them mention leaving aw due to money (at 19.95).
> Even if I managed to get the $240+ a year (not including worlds, which I
> assume will also be skyrocketing) I'd have almost non of my friends
left....
>
> what they should have done is ADVERTISED aw, THEN done the 3d homepage.
I
> saw hardly any increase in aw's pop from the homepages. Why? Because
only
> people who alrdy were in aw knew about it. 3d homepages are a great idea
IF
> there is a large advertising blitz along with them. But with little or no
> advertising it's just a money pit to get where we are now.
>
> When aw went from free to 20 a month it lost about 80% of it's citizens.
AW
> is just now finaly starting to shape up into a healthy community.. and now
> they are raising the price by about a hundred dollars... imagine what %
it
> will lose this time.
>
> No offence to aw's staff.. since I know most of them and like them. But
it
> seems you guys really have a bloated staff. How about the community and
you
> meet half way. You guys take pay cuts and even lay offs, and we only go
up
> to 30-40 a year? I've heard some pretty rediculus figures on how much
rick
> and jp make a year. heh, how about we get rid of them, they seem to be
> the biggest costs around here. Heck the only people that seem to matter
are
> Roland and Tom, and perhaps gand and stacy. Maybe you guys shouldn't have
> hired so many more staff and such if you couldn't afford them.
>
>
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Jan 2, 2002, 8:37pm
In response to dotar sojat's post:
"If Mauz's site is correct, and I have no reason to doubt it is. 50,000
citizens are currently resitered with aw.
With a pricing increase on citizenship of 50% ($30 a year) that would
generate $1,500,000 over the new year for AW.
With an increase of only 80% putting the yearly at $100 people are
projectign they will lose 75% or more citizens. We will assume 75% for
simplicity.
That will put citizen count at approx 12.500 registered citizens (I know
these numbers are not the end all but bear with me on this).
Now 12,500 citizens paying $100 a year will generate $1,250,00.
You tell me which way is more cost effective."
(and it could be correct, maybe a little lower id say, theres about 650
people online at a time in busy times, and i'm sure not everyone comes on at
the same time of day and not every day)
---------------
Challenge:
Anyone who is a whiz at math, come up with a new price configuration that
would be low enough to keep a good majority of the user base (preferably
something teens can pay) while still increasing ActiveWorlds profit more
then the current $20 a year price. I don't know if this is possible but any
==========
Some points to bring up:
1) About 98% of the citezins in Aw that have been notified about the
decision have taken about, oh....2 seconds to think about it and becuase of
the simple phrase "price increase" have imiediatly signed petitions against
it. Do you know how damaging that could be if AW actually listened to these
petitions (whcih i did not sign)?! Basicly, if they keep going the way they
are then AW goes bye bye and 3.2 stays here for about a year (if the company
even lasts that long) until it becomes obsolete. Currently there is no way
of telling everyone the consecounces there actions could be (only a small
percentage of citezins use this baord).
2) Wonder why their expenses have gotten up so much? Me too. It seems they
should at least try and cut expenses and try to increase reninue before
deciding to chnage the price (if they havent done so yet). Some points that
have been brought up:
a) 3D homepages. Have they even created any money? Alls i see them is
as an axtra chnace at a a trial world with some sproucedup objects (which
were supposed to be in a new build world). We dont need more
trial worlds sucking up the bandwith. Make the new objects either part of AW
or a new build world with objects added every once in a while (whicch might
keep more tourists/new users longer)
3) AW *is* letting us loyal old timers too keep our cits: If you renewed
before february (or even if it expires after February) they will nto charge
you the new system until it expires next year. This only applies to new
users and the next time your cit expires. So at least we do get SOME time.
4) All of you who hate tourists, they can onyl be tourists for two weeks,
not that that makes up for anything, but still.....without them we wouldn't
be here (you were all one once)
Well this is all I can think abotu right now.
Alls I have to say is DONT GIVE UP! DONT just go and sign a petition....DONT
just quit...
Think of ideas to keep our community alive. If we can think of a new system
that works out better then al the better, e-mail it to activeworlds, get
heard (sorry if i sound like a hippy or something hehe) Other thigns to
think about are: ways to get AW more money (without creating another 3D
homepage horror) and ways for them to cut costs (without cutting the things
we need most).
I hope i get to stay here long enough to see this all work out :)
-Cozmo
Jan 2, 2002, 8:39pm
and also...
5) Just becuase they said you will enter your credit card number does nto
mean its final. I'm pretty sure they will still execpt checks and money
orders in the mail. If they don't, demand it.
[View Quote]cozmo <b.nolan2 at verizon.net> wrote in message
news:3c338bc6$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> In response to dotar sojat's post:
>
> "If Mauz's site is correct, and I have no reason to doubt it is. 50,000
> citizens are currently resitered with aw.
> With a pricing increase on citizenship of 50% ($30 a year) that would
> generate $1,500,000 over the new year for AW.
> With an increase of only 80% putting the yearly at $100 people are
> projectign they will lose 75% or more citizens. We will assume 75% for
> simplicity.
>
> That will put citizen count at approx 12.500 registered citizens (I know
> these numbers are not the end all but bear with me on this).
> Now 12,500 citizens paying $100 a year will generate $1,250,00.
>
> You tell me which way is more cost effective."
>
> (and it could be correct, maybe a little lower id say, theres about 650
> people online at a time in busy times, and i'm sure not everyone comes on
at
> the same time of day and not every day)
>
> ---------------
>
> Challenge:
>
> Anyone who is a whiz at math, come up with a new price configuration that
> would be low enough to keep a good majority of the user base (preferably
> something teens can pay) while still increasing ActiveWorlds profit more
> then the current $20 a year price. I don't know if this is possible but
any
>
> ==========
>
> Some points to bring up:
>
> 1) About 98% of the citezins in Aw that have been notified about the
> decision have taken about, oh....2 seconds to think about it and becuase
of
> the simple phrase "price increase" have imiediatly signed petitions
against
> it. Do you know how damaging that could be if AW actually listened to
these
> petitions (whcih i did not sign)?! Basicly, if they keep going the way
they
> are then AW goes bye bye and 3.2 stays here for about a year (if the
company
> even lasts that long) until it becomes obsolete. Currently there is no way
> of telling everyone the consecounces there actions could be (only a small
> percentage of citezins use this baord).
>
> 2) Wonder why their expenses have gotten up so much? Me too. It seems they
> should at least try and cut expenses and try to increase reninue before
> deciding to chnage the price (if they havent done so yet). Some points
that
> have been brought up:
>
> a) 3D homepages. Have they even created any money? Alls i see them is
> as an axtra chnace at a a trial world with some sproucedup objects (which
> were supposed to be in a new build world). We dont need more
> trial worlds sucking up the bandwith. Make the new objects either part of
AW
> or a new build world with objects added every once in a while (whicch
might
> keep more tourists/new users longer)
>
> 3) AW *is* letting us loyal old timers too keep our cits: If you renewed
> before february (or even if it expires after February) they will nto
charge
> you the new system until it expires next year. This only applies to new
> users and the next time your cit expires. So at least we do get SOME time.
>
> 4) All of you who hate tourists, they can onyl be tourists for two weeks,
> not that that makes up for anything, but still.....without them we
wouldn't
> be here (you were all one once)
>
> Well this is all I can think abotu right now.
>
> Alls I have to say is DONT GIVE UP! DONT just go and sign a
petition....DONT
> just quit...
>
> Think of ideas to keep our community alive. If we can think of a new
system
> that works out better then al the better, e-mail it to activeworlds, get
> heard (sorry if i sound like a hippy or something hehe) Other thigns to
> think about are: ways to get AW more money (without creating another 3D
> homepage horror) and ways for them to cut costs (without cutting the
things
> we need most).
>
> I hope i get to stay here long enough to see this all work out :)
>
> -Cozmo
>
>
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Jan 2, 2002, 8:49pm
if you can come up with a good proposal, i saw DEFINITLY tell someone in aw
management (although im sure they're already swamped with e-mail you can at
least try) maybe at the begging write sometyhing like CHARGING PROPOSAL or
something that makes them read it.
I forgot the e-mails of them though....
[View Quote]bowen <bowen at omegauniverse.com> wrote in message
news:3c338c6b at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> If AWCom will look at it I can come up with something in the next couple
of
> days.. Maybe, if they'll actually listen to it too LoL.
>
> --Bowen--
>
> "cozmo" <b.nolan2 at verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:3c338bc6$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
on
> at
that
> any
> of
> against
> these
> they
> company
way
small
they
> that
is
(which
of
> AW
> might
renewed
> charge
time.
weeks,
> wouldn't
> petition....DONT
> system
> things
>
>
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Jan 2, 2002, 9:06pm
reposting DONT GET MAD
me:
...."know what...if they split it up like 10 every 6 months it would be
easier to pay
since you dont have to pay it all every month...most people dont save they
wait until the time to pay gets close and then complain they wotn have
enough...makign smaller payments will make it easier to pay...i say like $4
every 3 months...that would be about $20 a year right? and its a hell of a
lot easier to pay"
[View Quote]cozmo <b.nolan2 at verizon.net> wrote in message
news:3c338bc6$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> In response to dotar sojat's post:
>
> "If Mauz's site is correct, and I have no reason to doubt it is. 50,000
> citizens are currently resitered with aw.
> With a pricing increase on citizenship of 50% ($30 a year) that would
> generate $1,500,000 over the new year for AW.
> With an increase of only 80% putting the yearly at $100 people are
> projectign they will lose 75% or more citizens. We will assume 75% for
> simplicity.
>
> That will put citizen count at approx 12.500 registered citizens (I know
> these numbers are not the end all but bear with me on this).
> Now 12,500 citizens paying $100 a year will generate $1,250,00.
>
> You tell me which way is more cost effective."
>
> (and it could be correct, maybe a little lower id say, theres about 650
> people online at a time in busy times, and i'm sure not everyone comes on
at
> the same time of day and not every day)
>
> ---------------
>
> Challenge:
>
> Anyone who is a whiz at math, come up with a new price configuration that
> would be low enough to keep a good majority of the user base (preferably
> something teens can pay) while still increasing ActiveWorlds profit more
> then the current $20 a year price. I don't know if this is possible but
any
>
> ==========
>
> Some points to bring up:
>
> 1) About 98% of the citezins in Aw that have been notified about the
> decision have taken about, oh....2 seconds to think about it and becuase
of
> the simple phrase "price increase" have imiediatly signed petitions
against
> it. Do you know how damaging that could be if AW actually listened to
these
> petitions (whcih i did not sign)?! Basicly, if they keep going the way
they
> are then AW goes bye bye and 3.2 stays here for about a year (if the
company
> even lasts that long) until it becomes obsolete. Currently there is no way
> of telling everyone the consecounces there actions could be (only a small
> percentage of citezins use this baord).
>
> 2) Wonder why their expenses have gotten up so much? Me too. It seems they
> should at least try and cut expenses and try to increase reninue before
> deciding to chnage the price (if they havent done so yet). Some points
that
> have been brought up:
>
> a) 3D homepages. Have they even created any money? Alls i see them is
> as an axtra chnace at a a trial world with some sproucedup objects (which
> were supposed to be in a new build world). We dont need more
> trial worlds sucking up the bandwith. Make the new objects either part of
AW
> or a new build world with objects added every once in a while (whicch
might
> keep more tourists/new users longer)
>
> 3) AW *is* letting us loyal old timers too keep our cits: If you renewed
> before february (or even if it expires after February) they will nto
charge
> you the new system until it expires next year. This only applies to new
> users and the next time your cit expires. So at least we do get SOME time.
>
> 4) All of you who hate tourists, they can onyl be tourists for two weeks,
> not that that makes up for anything, but still.....without them we
wouldn't
> be here (you were all one once)
>
> Well this is all I can think abotu right now.
>
> Alls I have to say is DONT GIVE UP! DONT just go and sign a
petition....DONT
> just quit...
>
> Think of ideas to keep our community alive. If we can think of a new
system
> that works out better then al the better, e-mail it to activeworlds, get
> heard (sorry if i sound like a hippy or something hehe) Other thigns to
> think about are: ways to get AW more money (without creating another 3D
> homepage horror) and ways for them to cut costs (without cutting the
things
> we need most).
>
> I hope i get to stay here long enough to see this all work out :)
>
> -Cozmo
>
>
|
Jan 2, 2002, 9:09pm
i agree...you have a much better chance of being heard if you typed up a
profesional looking paper. Chances are that Ricks inbox has more then 100
e-mails coming in
[View Quote]brant <awteen at shoemakervillage.org> wrote in message
news:3c3392a8$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Instead of having your proposal buried in E-Mails, find out AW's address
and
> send a nice, clean, proofread letter to them stating clearly what you
> propose and why you think your suggestion would work. Be sure not to
curse
> at AW employees or anything like that; instead, address them as "Mr. Noll"
> and such. It's a much more professional way to do things, and chances are
> your opinion would be much more highly regarded.
>
> "bowen" <bowen at omegauniverse.com> wrote in message
> news:3c338ffc$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
up
you
in
can
PROPOSAL
> or
> couple
> would
> for
(I
about
> comes
configuration
profit
possible
the
petitions
> to
> way
the
is
> no
a
> seems
> points
need
> part
> (whicch
nto
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SOME
new
activeworlds,
thigns
another
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>
>
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Jan 3, 2002, 5:38pm
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not everyone cna just spit out 10 dollars every month like you...
[View Quote] tyrell <tyrell1 at sk.sympatico.ca> wrote in message =
news:3C340BC4.BF2D5071 at sk.sympatico.ca...
I'l 'not' be leaving...=20
An important issue seems to be missed in all this... AW is =
entertainment...=20
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When the cable company ups it rates or offers the 'one channel' you =
want with 5 others that no one wants and can only remain on the air =
'because' they'r packaged with something of value, what do you do... you =
either pay or you don't... There's no point in whining about it... Is =
the one channel worth the price?... We'r not talking about a kidney =
transplant here.=20
AW is entertainment... You pay for it or you leave... Does anyone =
actually believe that the company is going to go back on it's new =
pricing because they get a bunch of angry emails from Tourists (who =
don't pay...) RIGHT!!! And about the Citizens... Ya, you'l have to pay =
more... so what could you do with $10 a month... another burger and =
fries... I think I'l pass on the B&F and pay to remain in Alpha...=20
Do I agree with the price increase... I'm not sure... I don't have all =
the facts so can't say how justified it is... BUT I'v no doubt it's =
going to remain in some form... I appear to be one of the very few that =
don't have to worry about $10 (missing out on one meal of McDs...) a =
month... I'm also no ones fool... If Alpha stops providing me with =
'entertainment' then I wouldn't pay for it... There are any number of =
other endeavors I could 'waste my time on'... For what I get from AW I =
can't see how $10 a month is asking too much... I'l pay (next Nov) when =
it's due...=20
I believe in the program... I'v done my share of looking and no other =
program matches what AW offers... (ya, there are all kinds of '3D =
games/chat utils' out there but that's not what I'm interested in...) I =
like building... To create my own virtual living space... AW gives me =
that...=20
PS... I do agree with the time limit on Tourists however... Maybe make =
it a month but having it open ended only invites those who want a free =
ride to take advantage of it. There are likely any number who just can't =
pay... It's a shame. I'm sure 'some' would make worthy Citizens... It's =
also a shame that I don't have my own plane, boat, condo, Island =
resort... Life's a bitch sometimes... roll with it...=20
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I want to know who's going to leave with the price increase.. I know =
it's a=20
great amount. Don't say anything bad just tell if you'll leave or =
not. :)=20
--Bowen--
--=20
Tyrell - Alpha Prime - 21.8s 457e 90 - "Mundus vult decipi"=20
"Eat well, stay fit, die anyway."=20
http://www3.sk.sympatico.ca/ty1/index.html=20
ICQ UN - 272905=20
All those who believe in psychokinesis raise my hand.=20
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actually=20
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because they=20
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have to=20
worry about $10 (missing out on one meal of McDs...) a month... I'm =
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wouldn't=20
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my time=20
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other=20
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games/chat=20
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building...=20
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make it a=20
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to take=20
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It's a=20
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that I=20
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sometimes... roll with it...=20
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Jan 3, 2002, 9:43pm
bye? you leave way too soon for a cit that hasnt even expired yet (doesnt
apply to you until then) and you seem to think AW wont realize there
maistake and change it? i beleive they will, but if they dont i still have a
year
[View Quote]anduin lothario <anduin at NOSPAM.anduin-lothario.com> wrote in message
news:3c34d9f7 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Leaving - To Outerworlds
>
> "bowen" <bowen at omegauniverse.com> wrote in message
> news:3c33da9d$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
it's
> a
:)
>
>
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Jan 3, 2002, 5:41pm
right....with like 80% of aw users being teens, they cant afford it, NONE of
my 30+ online teen freidns can sucker there parents into spending that much
and are already sayign they are leaving when their cit expires
[View Quote]bille <bille at hinsides.no> wrote in message
news:3B3AF7C2.2CE351F4 at hinsides.no...
> Well, didn't everyone predict more or less the same back in 1997 when the
> charging started?:) I don't think that the charging changed AW in a
negative
> way, it just "trimmed" AW's user base a little bit, as a higher percentage
> of the user became active and caring.
>
> This might give a positive effect on AW's community once again, although I
> do expect the new annual charge to make many of my AW friends to find
> something else to do, cause the raise is pretty heavy.
>
> I'm sure AW will survive though, I just hope the community will still be a
> part of it, and not that in the future the majority of the users will run
> their own worlds because in order to get most in return for the charging.
To
> me AW is very special because of the interactivity and great community
> (surprise!:).
>
> Bille
>
> macb wrote:
>
>
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Jan 3, 2002, 5:42pm
dont plan on anymore big companies doign things like juno did. maybe someone
might but with tons of businesses already going down the drain due to the
economy and all that, i dont know if any will even bother
[View Quote]macb <Z at X.Y> wrote in message news:3C33DFFC.1000600 at X.Y...
>
> I read the latest SEC (a dirtier word than damn around here) report for
> AW a few months ago. I don't think anybody bothered to post the link in
> any of the counter cultural hangouts (which is an interesting change
> from the past).
>
> What it said was (and I'm a little vague on the details) that at the
> rate they are losing money, AW has about a year worth of reserves left
> (that was then, less than a years worth by now).
>
> I shared with a few friends the prediction that this would be the final
> end for the VR we love and hate. Just from doing the math, I predicted a
> year or less.
>
> Another stock issue is out of the question. No more Juno type deals to
> be found I am sure. Sales to big companies for 3D training, virtual
> malls and the like become harder and harder when there isn't even one
> success story to point to.
>
> They want to increase the prices by a factor of 6 or so. I'm sure they
> have calculated this amount assuming a significant loss of users.
> They'll probably want to raise world prices too.
>
> Some of us have the means, and will be willing to pay the new rates,
> whatever they are. But we will be doing it so that we can share our
> worlds, our "works of art" with an ever dwindling audience. What will be
> the point, other than determining the point of no return?
>
> Frankly, I think we have reached that point already. What WAS needed,
> because its really too late now, was a spark of creativity at the head
> office.
>
> Chasing all the creative people off was probably not such a good idea.
> Those who wanted to have it all for themselves, will ultimately end up
> with nothing. Just like in Snowcrash. How fitting. How sad, for those
> who really cared.
>
> Yeah, I'll go sign the petition. But it won't matter. Really.
>
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Jan 3, 2002, 5:50pm
and they charge just as much as an MMORPG too. and you knwo what. the EQ
people said that they charged way to low then they shouldve becuase they
didnt expect the popularity to be so big, but they havent chnaged it yet
becuase all MMORPGS right now cost about that much and they know people will
just move to another one. AW has no competition but that doesnt mena people
wont leave. Im pretty sure Rick will see that this plan has flaws and chnage
it.
[View Quote]agent1 <Agent1 at my.activeworlds.com> wrote in message
news:3c346424$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Let's say that enough people stayed with AW to save it from extinction.
What would the money be put towards? Would it be only enough to sustain the
current level of content and features, or would it let AWC make more
frequent updates? If it will only let them keep running at their current
"speed", then I don't know that I want to renew my citizenship once it's
$9.50/month. I pay USD$10/month for an MMORPG that updates content and
storyline once a month. They make changes (even if small) to the client, as
well. They have a server farm that is load balanced to carry all of the
players they have to host data for. All of the bandwidth is also paid for
with that fee.
>
> I do like Activeworlds a lot, but if the increase in price isn't reflected
in an increase in quality of the product, then I don't think I'll be paying.
It's too much for me to be able to shrug it off and say, "Hey! It'll save
AW, and I get some cool upgrades!". I have no idea what is planned for the
browser past 3.3. I also have no idea what will happen in May when I have to
decide whether or not to renew.
>
>
>
> -Agent1
>
>
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Jan 3, 2002, 5:52pm
well once it expires it alpies to you. but most people who arent jumping the
gun to sign peitions know that but would rather chnage their minds right now
[View Quote]goober king <rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu> wrote in message
news:3C348EBD.8060600 at acsu.buffalo.edu...
> ... that the new payment plan is only for *NEW* citizenships? You can
> still renew you existing citizenship at the same $20/year fee. I just
> renewed my citizenship and tacked on another year to it for $20! Now I
> don't have to renew again until April 2003! :) And those of you who
> don't have to renew until Sept or later will wind up getting almost 2
> years out of the deal!
>
> So act fast, before February rolls around and AWC changes everything
> completely! No need to panic and head for the hills yet!
>
> --
> Goober King
> But it may already be too late for some people...
> rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu
>
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Jan 3, 2002, 9:45pm
you can renew now for $20 (if it expires in january) and take the free ride
until next year, by then they would probably see their flaws
[View Quote]goober king <rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu> wrote in message
news:3C34E0C0.4030400 at acsu.buffalo.edu...
> Shit! I must have just gotten in under the gun, because their
> Citizenship page is all covered with the new pricing plan, and there's
> no mention of renewal whatsoever! This is it then, the moment of truth...
>
> lord perception wrote:
>
this?
>
>
> --
> Goober King
> At least he can sit back and watch the show...
> rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu
>
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Jan 3, 2002, 11:05pm
id rather pay a measly $20 now (compared to $10 a month later on) to have at
least till the fall of this year to use AW. If it doesnt work out after then
then i wont feel like my money was worthless, i have a lot of friends on AW.
Plus im not stockign up. Its just one.
[View Quote]brant <awteen at shoemakervillage.org> wrote in message
news:3c34fe5c$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> I'd say that that was a good idea, except I can't support Goober on this
> one. Obviously, AW is in an extremely dire financial situation, so who
> knows if AW will even be around in late 2003 for you to stock up on
> citizenships now? You could be risking losing the money you spend now if
AW
> fails between now and your citizenship expiration date....
>
> "cozmo" <b.nolan2 at verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:3c34ed15$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> ride
> truth...
can
just
I
2
do
>
>
|
Jan 3, 2002, 6:59pm
Im writtign my own letter also. Good luck with yours too. I have some
important topics in mine that i hope someone will consider.
[View Quote]bowen <bowen at omegauniverse.com> wrote in message
news:3c34baf8 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Well.. I've finished the latter I'm planning on sending to Rick and JP. I
> was wondering if there's anything else you guys want me to consider
adding?
> I definately don't agree with removing historical buildings.. they're what
> make AW, AW. As for the rest of this.. I hope this shows what their
> "business analyst" and the rest of the board of directors thinks about the
> community.. I said this once in another community.. "Power corrupts,
> absolute power corrupts absolutely." This still holds true in this
> decision. That's my opinion anyways :)
>
> --Bowen--
>
> "shred" <no at 1.invalid> wrote in message
> news:3c34afd4 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
there:
> may
citizen
> ID
> people
> this?
> part
>
>
|
Jan 3, 2002, 9:49pm
what do you mean by that?
My letter:
WAZZUP RICK!!!!!
d00d i just wanna let you know that the price is some F*CKED up sh*t!!!!!
-Cozmo
But seriusly, i know that when you write a letter you dont talk like some 12
year old hacker wannbe or whatever. I'm not that stupid. Not that i would
talk like that anyway....
[View Quote]bowen <bowen at omegauniverse.com> wrote in message
news:3c34c68d$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Just make sure you don't use terms that you wouldn't use to your parents.
We
> all know what they are by now ;). Good luck Cozmo.
>
> --Bowen--
>
> "cozmo" <b.nolan2 at verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:3c34c61a at server1.Activeworlds.com...
JP.
> I
> what
> the
> you
deleted."
database
that
clarify
> historical
>
>
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Jan 3, 2002, 9:52pm
No one knows for sure but I think that unless They are stupidly messed up in
the head they will realise whats happening (if they even pay attention at
all) but the thing im worried about is that won't happen until we're all
gone and the crickets are a chirpin'
[View Quote]nornny11 <Nornny1 at attbi.com> wrote in message
news:3c34de7a$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> If I looked at the community newsgroup a month ago, and look at it now, I
> must say I would be quite proud of your achievements. ;) It's like
September
> 11th happened a few months late in here, but I've noticed the community
> newsgroup is quite the community. ;)
>
> Now, bear with me here, and breathe. Yeah, it might be the end of the
world
> as we know it (*pauses and mentally sings the awesome Ramones song*), oh
> yeah, where was I. A short time ago, you were all bickering and flaming
each
> other over HTML and off topicness, and now, it doesn't even matter. I've
> never seen as minimal of swearing as I do in the 400 threads with 500
> replies you all have made in about one and a half days (although it's a
> bother to read). Why did it take such a "tragedy" to have this happen?
Hmm?
> Well, I'm glad it did either way, because it's somewhat enjoyable here. I
> say, quit worrying about other people's business and enjoy your own before
> it's too late.
>
> There will be an entirely new community in less than a year, no doubt. A
lot
> of us aren't sticking around, and for the many that are, they'll be
greeted
> with brand new wide-eyed newbie faces (and rich eyes too I might add). Why
> doesn't someone find Alphabit and get in a quickly planned Cy gala, or
> someone make Festival? it's time for us as a community to bring out the
best
> of ourselves, because sooner or later, this community will die, just as it
> did when they first started charging for AW (it was once free, remember)
and
> a new one emerged with new people. In short, y'all better get yer 120
> dollars worth in 20 dollars. ;)
>
> But I must say, it makes perfect sense why they kicked out Eep just a week
> or two back. ;)) It'd be a one man war waiting to happen. tee hee.
Although,
> I'm kinda wishing for his gut wrenching opinion right now...
>
> Nornny
>
>
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Jan 3, 2002, 10:02pm
dont start packign your bags just yet. Nothign is totally set in stone just
yet. I suggest waiting until at least the month before your cit expires to
start planning anything
[View Quote]birdmike <birdmike at Home.com> wrote in message
news:3c34effb$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> If the new pricing plan really does kill the community, it might be
possible
> for us to pack up and colonize a new universe server with more reasonable
> prices. This is only possible though if the universe server prices do not
> rocket as well. Any thoughts?
>
> A good thing for this universe to do would be to eliminate the $70
> activation fee for worlds migrating from AW to their universe. I'm sure
it
> would encourage more migration.
>
> I would really hate for this whole community to be destroyed. I've been a
> relatively quiet member since 1998 and have enjoyed every minute of it.
>
> -BirdMike
>
>
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Jan 3, 2002, 11:07pm
if its closed why can you get into it to read the message. and i thin
closing worlds is not going to help that much, your still paying for them
and as far as aw is concerned thats all that matters
[View Quote]crazy canuck <ps-aw at cogeco.ca> wrote in message
news:3c34fc3f at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> There has been a protest starting up by some world owners. The following
> message was given in England world today ...... England World is currently
> closed until further notice as a result of the proposed AW price increases
> which we object to very strongly. Other worlds are also beginning to
follow
> suit. No free tourist accounts will equal very little new revenue, as
well
> as a ridiculous price increase AW is doomed to fail if this goes through.
>
>
>
|
Jan 3, 2002, 11:08pm
and i also want to say this doesnt mean you should all cancel your worlds
imediatly, that would ruin aw even quciker
[View Quote]cozmo <b.nolan2 at verizon.net> wrote in message
news:3c350062$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> if its closed why can you get into it to read the message. and i thin
> closing worlds is not going to help that much, your still paying for them
> and as far as aw is concerned thats all that matters
>
> crazy canuck <ps-aw at cogeco.ca> wrote in message
> news:3c34fc3f at server1.Activeworlds.com...
following
currently
increases
> follow
> well
through.
>
>
|
Jan 5, 2002, 3:37am
ya but righ tnow i have no chose becuase over 90% of the games and software
are geered towards widnows only and theres now way im using a mac. linux
would be ok for me but then i couldnt play any of my games. rgight no dual
booting would be really inconveinient for me.
I wish there was a new OS that had the more computer-smart people in mind.
No extra fancy grahpic things and things to make the windows look pretty.
and i cant stress anything more then this word: CRASHING and this one:
SUCKS!!!! Tha would be great but the thing is i don't know hwo much support
it would get from software comapnies unless they were convinced that a lot
of people use it.
Until then. I gotta stick with winblows and the crashing and security
problems (i dotn hae any but theres a heck of a lot of patches for me to
consider this safe) but i heard XP crashed rarely and isnt a bloated
multemedia crap whatever like ME is.
-Cozmo
[View Quote]jerme <JerMe at nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:3c3688b1$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> I was once frustrated by the exact same idea. It will continue to nag at
> your mind until you remember that 95% of people don't know jack about how
to
> use a computer. You have the mindset of a "power-user" (using that term
> loosely). You know what's going on, what you want to get done, and how to
do
> it. You don't want any BS (I.a. Office Assistants popping up, performance
> penalties b/c of "pretty" graphics, etc, etc, etc) standing in your way or
> slowing you down. But when you're Microsoft, trying to produce a product
> like Windowz, that's designed to be useable by someone dumber than a red
> brick, all those graphics and things are good. Most people like all the
> fancy graphics, neat animated office guys that spin around, and such.
> (Prime example of this.. Have you ever seen the way IE will do transitions
> between web pages? My dad loves these things and demands that I use them
in
> his website. I hover think they look stupid and waste time b/c it takes
the
> page 3 seconds longer to load. I want to design a *professional* site, he
> just wants it to look cool and has no sense of what a pro site is.) These
> things somehow make the computer "not so hard", or so it seems they can
> understand it and tackle it better. The help provided by "clippy" the
paper
> clip in Office can be very useful if you're doing something very complex,
> however there is no purpose for the paper clip. The same menus could be
> launched by clicking the help button ( the one that shows clippy) or with
> the help dropdown. So, you see.. Windowz isn't made with power-users in
> mind...
>
> --
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Jeremy Booker
> JTech Web Systems
> (www.JTechWebSystems.com -- Coming Soon)
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> "moff piett" <baronjutter at shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:3c365159$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> usless
> they
something.
> that..
> and
> efficiency.
> in
> news:3C3645FD.91CB85F7 at oct31.de...
demanding
> come
> let
>
>
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Jan 5, 2002, 4:18pm
tons of privacy fatures in 3.3 if you listened to that at all. If they dont
chnage it then no more upgrades after that. I say 5 a month
[View Quote]xavarella <xavarella at unforgettable.com> wrote in message
news:3c373479$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> To Whom It May Concern:
>
> Simply put, you expect your customer base to pay for your business
failure.
>
> Even if you "grandfather" current citizens in under the same $19.95/year
> annual fee without a monthly fee, I intend on leaving your program after
my
> expiration in August.
>
> You have made several huge mistakes with this plan. By disabling tourist
> mode, you have cut off the ability for people to try out the program
> risk-free. You don't seem to realize that many people don't have access
to
> a credit card or that many credit card holders are quite reluctant to
offer
> their information online. If anything, I would be offended that from the
> get-go you would have access to my name, address, etc. to sell to other
> companies, just by me entering my credit card info.
>
> Another reason I'm upset with this is that I can no longer lurk in the
> worlds as a tourist. It was nice to not be bothered by telegrams when I
> wanted to just lurk and watch the conversation. Now I'm forced to be a
> green checkmark in the "Contacts" window. By the way, with all the
> additional potential revenue you'll be getting with this new pricing
> structure, how about allowing some privacy for citizens and do away with
the
> green checkmark or make it an option???
>
> $10/month is simply too much money for what this program is worth to me.
I
> don't build anymore, so I am not tied to your program for any reason.
There
> are countless other places online to chat. I would have been willing to
pay
> an annual increase, say maybe $24.95/month or something in that range, but
I
> will not have my credit card billed monthly for this program, and I will
not
> pay $120 annually for the use of Active Worlds. Additionally, the cost
for
> annual membership to Active Worlds is now exorbitant for many of your
> international users given the exchange rate for the US dollar in different
> countries.
>
> Finally, you have failed abysmally at marketing Active Worlds. I have
never
> seen an advertisement for Active Worlds online, in print on TV, radio,
etc.
> Even a very small ad in a PC magazine or a gaming magazine would have been
> sure to generate lots of new users. Your stock is now worthless, and I
> interpret what you're doing with the new pricing plan as a latch ditch
> effort to save your business. Sorry, but it's not MY job to save YOUR
> business. Find someone with half decent marketing skills for that.
Believe
> me, you're sadly lacking in that department currently.
>
> Sincerely,
> Citizen 83058
>
>
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Jan 5, 2002, 4:48pm
you either have to press the renew button or mail them a check or money
order....thats the way its always been
[View Quote]elysium <colinl at ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
news:3c374606 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
>
> this may sound like dumb question but i cant find the page where i can
renew
> my citizenship does anyone know where it is? thanks Elysium
> --
>
>
>
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Jan 5, 2002, 6:05pm
so you e-mailed them your credit card info?.....bad bad bad
[View Quote]aine <Aine at DeDanaan.com> wrote in message
news:3c37553e at server1.Activeworlds.com...
Not true.
|
Since I couldn't find the Renew page and couldn't get the Renew button to
pop up on my browser, I wrote to support at activeworlds.com and was able to
renew it via email and a credit card this morning, but they also offered me
the phone number option.
BTW, you can renew before the "early Feb" deadline and add a year to your
account for the $19.95 rate, provided you haven't renewed recently. I now
have 13 months before I need to make any decisions about leaving
activeworlds.
For now, I am willing to wait and see, and $19.95 is not too much to pay to
see whether the improvements to 3.3 are worth it, or whether the Plan to
Save the Company will pan out.
I do wish, however, that someone from *on high* would read and respond to
some of the marketing ideas I offered. There's more where those came from.
*grins*
*munches on popcorn and watches from the sidelines*
Aine
[View Quote]"cozmo" <b.nolan2 at verizon.net> wrote in message
news:3c374a73$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> you either have to press the renew button or mail them a check or money
> order....thats the way its always been
>
> elysium <colinl at ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
> news:3c374606 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> renew
>
>
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Jan 5, 2002, 6:06pm
thats becuase its 9.50 a month....
[View Quote]xavarella <xavarella at unforgettable.com> wrote in message
news:3c374abc at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Interesting...
>
> If you go to the active worlds web page to become a citizen and click on
the
> "Don't have a credit card?" link, a pop-up window says you can send a
check
> for $9.50 (???) to register a citizenship by mail.
>
>
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Jan 6, 2002, 3:47am
who cares it wont help
[View Quote]zero <slavezero at dmonix.net> wrote in message
news:3c37c50e$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> What happened to it, I cant find it on there anymore. It was like #1 then
> like #5, now its gone.
>
>
> --
> Chris Waddell
> dmonix at dmonix.net
> URL: www.dmonix.net
>
>
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Jan 6, 2002, 8:53pm
universes set their own pricing systems. the onyl way they will be effected
is if aw runs out of money and the unis have to shut down
[View Quote]foxmccloud <FoxMcCloud at cyberbrain.com> wrote in message
news:3c38cdfb$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Does anyone know how pricing will affect the other universes ?
> If the others keep the current pricing, everyone will flee there. I'm sure
AW realizes that.
> If they have to upgrade to the new pricing system, well, that sucks.
>
> Anyone knows?
>
>
> By the way, I haven't answered to any of the posts about the new pricing
system, but I won't renew my citizenship which expires in a
> month or so. I just started creating my own chat/building program in
answer to the announcement. (I had been thinking about it for a
> long time anyway)
>
> Fox Mc Cloud
>
>
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Jan 6, 2002, 11:47pm
it does not say you HAVE to upgrade
[View Quote]zero <slavezero at dmonix.net> wrote in message
news:3c38ed7a at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> The AW Website used to state that for Universes and Galaxy's that you pay
a
> one time fee, and then pay a 40% fee for upgrades, thereafter.
>
>
>
>
> "foxmccloud" <FoxMcCloud at cyberbrain.com> wrote in message
> news:3c38d8a3$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> periodical fee to AW after that.
> 3c38d567$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
turn,
> the
> people
>
>
|
Jan 8, 2002, 12:08am
thats probably a rumor....but it sounds like somethign they would do to stop
people from imigrating over there. ...but i dont think they would stoop down
that low (i hope). Plus they really cant do that becuase those people bought
it and they shouldbe able to contro it however they want.
[View Quote]"paul" <p-barrow at NOSPAMhome.com> wrote in message
news:3c3a4f10 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Here is a news flash. I got the word that AWCom forced Dreamlandpark to
> revoke the free citizenships they are giving out last week.
> Isn't that pathetic? I think AWCom is losing everyone's respect.
>
> Paul
>
>
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