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Jul 12, 2004, 12:07am

Well... im bored... and there hasnt been a post in here for the last few
hours so its my turn! Lets play the 'random question' game, just by posting
thought inspiring random babble...

Things like:

How come everyone knows e=mc^2 but only about 0.5% know what it means?

How exactly DOES eep find so much time to make so many newsgroup posts
(search google)?

Will AlaskanShadow EVER soften up to me?

those kinda things...

Ill start...

- Mark R

Jul 12, 2004, 12:07am

Why does all spam email selling 'pills' always have a pink background?

Jul 12, 2004, 4:46am

I have a question...WHY are you opening spam mail, and WHY do you do it
with html turned on??? You know that when you do that it d/l's stuff so
they are able to log your IP on their servers, when the email is opened,
and it confirms that your email is an active email account. Confirmed
active email addy's sell for alot more which means that your addy will
be sold more and you'll be getting LOTS more spam after that. And not
only that, spammers are way sleazy and HAVE been known to stoop to using
trojans to take control of puters and use it to spam others, which they
will have alot easier job doing now that you so graciously provided them
your IP addy when you opened their email.

Sorry, I know this wasn't the point of your thread, it just bugs me tho,
so many complain about being spammed to death, but then they go and do
stupid stuff like opening spam with html on, or forward chain letters,
or give their real addy and all real info to any stupid site that
demands that info etc, then wonder *why* are they getting spammed so
much lol.

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Jul 12, 2004, 11:02am

You're cool Kathryn ^_^

Also Internet Explorer and Outlook (Express) are bad for your health.

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Jul 12, 2004, 3:29pm

[View Quote] Because I feel like it, and who ever said anything about looking at it in
the GUI? I've been known to read HTML EMails via 'view source' before now...

> You know that when you do that it d/l's stuff so
> they are able to log your IP on their servers, when the email is opened,
> and it confirms that your email is an active email account.

I know, its such a TERRIBLE pitty for them that all of the HTTP homesites
get blocked at the firewall, dash, they almost had me!

> Confirmed
> active email addy's sell for alot more which means that your addy will
> be sold more and you'll be getting LOTS more spam after that.

Inbox > Rule > Spam Folder > Rule > Deleted Items

> And not
> only that, spammers are way sleazy and HAVE been known to stoop to using
> trojans to take control of puters and use it to spam others, which they
> will have alot easier job doing now that you so graciously provided them
> your IP addy when you opened their email.

Uh huh... but even if I didnt have Godknows how many lines of active and
passive defences, not to mention the best one of all: being able to read and
understand every line of source code they send I would be seriously
concerned... Surely they would not stoop to that low though... I mean if
they did Id probably get REALLY pissed and move from just SQL Injecting
their sites where I can to wipe out their lists, to taking more in-direct
approaches and just handing the IP over to a few people I know to enjoy
nothing more than fully taking out sites like that... You have to laugh when
you enter ' into the site and it blows up in your face.

> Sorry, I know this wasn't the point of your thread, it just bugs me tho,
> so many complain about being spammed to death, but then they go and do
> stupid stuff like opening spam with html on, or forward chain letters,
> or give their real addy and all real info to any stupid site that
> demands that info etc, then wonder *why* are they getting spammed so
> much lol.

erm... how else can you do anything BUT give your real address at some point
if you actually want to recieve legit mail... uh...

- Mark R
Probably should have warned you prior
that I look at most things in source

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Jul 12, 2004, 6:24pm

Never pass up an opportunity, do you Rossy? :P
*happily returns to cruising around with IE* ^,^

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Jul 13, 2004, 4:19am

> erm... how else can you do anything BUT give your real address at some point
> if you actually want to recieve legit mail... uh...

What I do is have junk addy's that I use to give to sites that do need a
legit addy, for like a confirmation email or whatever. I just open some
yahoo account just for that purpose, they can spam the junk addy all
they want. I don't ever read stuff there....and I'm very careful about
who I give the real addy out to. It does work....I get no spam at all
in my real addy, just real email.

Jul 13, 2004, 4:52am

Even if you are careful about who you give your real address to,
spammers can use automated dictionary attacks to eventually find (spam)
your real address. Also, depending upon the privacy policy of your
e-mail provider, they may share/sell your address with third parties
(other companies).

Builderz
http://www.3DHost.net

[View Quote] > What I do is have junk addy's that I use to give to sites that do need a
> legit addy, for like a confirmation email or whatever. I just open some
> yahoo account just for that purpose, they can spam the junk addy all
> they want. I don't ever read stuff there....and I'm very careful about
> who I give the real addy out to. It does work....I get no spam at all
> in my real addy, just real email.

Jul 13, 2004, 6:09am

Which email provider you choose to use is very important. As far as the
dictionary attacks, they are mainly aimed at hotmail. Hotmail is the
most targeted email there is. They are the number one target for
dictionary attacks, account hacking, hijacking, etc. In the brief time
that I did use hotmail way back when, that account was the target of
dictionary attacks and hijacking and all kinds of crap. But, I have
been using yahoo for years, and have never once had a dictionary attack
or anything on any of my yahoo addy's. I strongly dislike ALOT of what
yahoo has done in recent years, but at least with my accounts there I
haven't had any problem with spam or attacks. I hate that yahoo has all
the default settings set to "please send me lots of crap", and you have
to go through and change all those settings to "no thanks, keep your
freaking crap to yourself" when you set up a new account, otherwise you
will be getting alot of crap from them, 3rd parties, etc. But once I've
set that on the account I haven't gotten any spam at all. I have alot
of yahoo accounts that I've had for years that I just use for the free
webspace that you get with the account, and none of those addy's have
ever recieved anything...five years and not a single thing yet. ;)

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Jul 13, 2004, 10:55am

hmm, why is the sky blue? ok, the sky is blue, cuz it reflects off the sea,
and the sea is blue, cuz it reflects off the sky, well, who was it that
flashed a big blue flash light between them both, to start off the blue
reflecting? O_O would i be able to make them both, green, if i use lots of
green flash lights and point them towards the sea and sky? cuz i think a
green sky would be soo much cooler! ^_^

-SWE

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Jul 13, 2004, 10:59am

wait, what's a dictionary attack? O_O

-SWE

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Jul 13, 2004, 12:09pm

[View Quote] > wait, what's a dictionary attack? O_O
>
> -SWE
>

Your question can not be serious but I respond anyway :)
Dictionary attack is when the spammers use a dictionary to guess email addresses (name lists, suffixed with numbers, etc) in the hope at least a few will find a real person.


--
Andras
"It's MY computer" (tm Steve Gibson)

Jul 13, 2004, 2:02pm

Andras is correct. They just try and send e-mail to a bunch of e-mail
addresses at random to see if they work or not. They use one or more
"dictionary files" and try to make up user names or just try and spam
standard addresses likes abuse at yourdomain.com, webmaster at yourdomain.com,
etc.

So it might look like:

sallyjane02 at whatever.com
bobiscool at whatever.com
andrew10 at whatever.com

They can take a standard name like andrew and then combine it with the
number 10 to see if it s valid address. They just keep sending and
sending e-mails and the addresses that don't "bounce back" are usually
real ones. Sort of like brute force password cracking in a way.

Builderz
http://www.3DHost.net

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Jul 13, 2004, 2:17pm

Funny, I have just the opposite experience with one of my Yahoo!
accounts. I've had it for years and unchecked all of those "don't send
me crap" (as you put it) boxes as soon as I knew about them and don't
sign up to any opt-in newsletters, ezines, etc. Yet on my one account I
have it set to filter out about 90 domains and I still have nearly
12,000 spam messages I need to sort through or delete. On another Yahoo!
account with all of those things unchecked, I hardly get any spam at
all. Go figure.

However, on e-mail accounts on my own domain names that I host myself, I
use SpamAssassin on the server side and it has greatly helped reducing spam.

Builderz
http://www.3DHost.net

[View Quote] > Which email provider you choose to use is very important. As far as the
> dictionary attacks, they are mainly aimed at hotmail. Hotmail is the
> most targeted email there is. They are the number one target for
> dictionary attacks, account hacking, hijacking, etc. In the brief time
> that I did use hotmail way back when, that account was the target of
> dictionary attacks and hijacking and all kinds of crap. But, I have
> been using yahoo for years, and have never once had a dictionary attack
> or anything on any of my yahoo addy's. I strongly dislike ALOT of what
> yahoo has done in recent years, but at least with my accounts there I
> haven't had any problem with spam or attacks. I hate that yahoo has all
> the default settings set to "please send me lots of crap", and you have
> to go through and change all those settings to "no thanks, keep your
> freaking crap to yourself" when you set up a new account, otherwise you
> will be getting alot of crap from them, 3rd parties, etc. But once I've
> set that on the account I haven't gotten any spam at all. I have alot
> of yahoo accounts that I've had for years that I just use for the free
> webspace that you get with the account, and none of those addy's have
> ever recieved anything...five years and not a single thing yet. ;)

Jul 13, 2004, 8:20pm

i actually don't get any spam on my hotmail account. don't really check it,
but when i do, no spam! :)

-SWE

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Jul 13, 2004, 8:38pm

'"Will AlaskanShadow EVER soften up to me?"

I will forever consider you perhaps the most annoying, egotistical,
self-centered person I have ever met on AW. I do not care if you suddenly
think I am hot. I still find you as repulsive as ever, not to mention highly
illiterate if you still fail to realize this. So to answer your question,
that would be a "No".


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Jul 13, 2004, 8:57pm

i actually don't get any spam on my hotmail account. don't really check it,
but when i do, no spam! :)

-SWE

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Jul 13, 2004, 9:13pm

so he's not actually the most annoying, egoistical, self-centered person you
have met in your life right? there's still hope! :)

-SWE

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Jul 14, 2004, 3:12pm

Hotmail > Rule (from group)

Recipient In Address?
Yes: Leave
No: Delete

Laugh.. and check hotmail only every hundred years or so.

- Mark R

Jul 14, 2004, 3:12pm

> I will forever consider you perhaps the most annoying, egotistical,
> self-centered person I have ever met on AW.

I thought you thought that was Ashley? But still hell I think that about
myself :)

> I do not care if you suddenly think I am hot.

Alaskan stopped posting pictures of herself looking like she was dead...
Turns out she is actually quite attractive when not looking like death... Ha
ha, saw no reason why not to tell her, its quite funny to see her squirm at
being complimented.

> I still find you as repulsive as ever, not to mention highly
> illiterate if you still fail to realize this

What does my lack of spell checking have to do with this? By soften up I
mean dont go out of your way to make every insult you can! ha ha.

FYI the reason I 'softened up' was because Ive read though the LJ and some
newsgroup posts and realised realised you do actually have a other side that
you do not usually show but one that creates an interesting balance in your
personality when you can see both sides of it. That and one of us has to
take our finger off the trigger (I dont mean ie: dont shoot, I mean STOP
shooting the fully auto's weve had pointed at eachother!)

I can hope, eh?

- Mark R
Meet my new friends
http://zetech.swehli.com/pics/the_clones.jpg

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Jul 14, 2004, 3:27pm

"What does my lack of spell checking have to do with this? By soften up I
mean dont go out of your way to make every insult you can! ha ha."

By "illiterate" I was referring to the numerous times I have essentially
told you to go to hell, which have yet to sink in. It's something I call
"being able to read". I don't have to "go out of my way" at all, in fact
it's really quite easy when dealing with someone as superficial as yourself.
So as much as I hate Ashley, and consider her dumb as hell, that's nothing
compared to your arrogance ;)


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Jul 14, 2004, 3:42pm

So as much as I hate Ashley, and consider her dumb as hell, that's nothing
> compared to your arrogance ;)

Ha ha, thanks :D

- Mark

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