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Sep 14, 2004, 1:18am

> Just because the CEO says it's good doesn't make it good. I hope you
> learn that, I also hope you learn that just because you say it's right
> doesn't make it right. Anyways, go ahead and make your little FTP talk
> with the server and update registry bot in a few minutes. Also, make it
> not depend on Windows, I dare you. If I can compile it with no problem
> on linux, and it was developed in a few minutes, maybe I'll take what
> "wisdom" you pass off to me. Hell, compile it into a library (.so) and
> give it to me so I can see if you know what you're doing.

By the way, this is the method I use to compile .so, in case you do it,
and don't know how to compile them:

$ g++ -fPIC -c libFoo.cpp
$ ld -shared -soname libFoo.so.1 -o libFoo.so.1.0 -lc libFoo.o

yadda yadda..

Andras might have a more better way, though. ;)

Sep 14, 2004, 12:27pm

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>
> By the way, this is the method I use to compile .so, in case you do it,
> and don't know how to compile them:
>
> $ g++ -fPIC -c libFoo.cpp
> $ ld -shared -soname libFoo.so.1 -o libFoo.so.1.0 -lc libFoo.o
>
> yadda yadda..
>
> Andras might have a more better way, though. ;)

make - issued in a proper folder with a proper Makefile :)

http://www.andras.net/tools.html#regftp let see if you can compile it. I bet Mr. "Show Off" Mark wouldn't do :)

Anyway - the tar file contains the source and the required libraries/Makefile. It runs under Windows and under Linux - you just have to compile it with a proper environment.
The tool is a command line utility where the options/parameters are explained if you invoke it without any parameter.

The source code is a good example for a very simple bot/ftp combination.

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Andras
"It's MY computer" (tm Steve Gibson)

Sep 14, 2004, 12:55pm

Well this "show off" Mark has been making random tools and programs for this
community for years, just like you. I don't use gc anyway, I use VS because
its what we will be using at university, which is the whole reason I started
learning it.

But going back to the origional point we had before Bowen decided that he
wished to comment on languages he apparently does not know about. Isnt this
really all thats required AWI side.

- MR


"andras" <andras at andras.net> wrote>

http://www.andras.net/tools.html#regftp let see if you can compile it. I
bet Mr. "Show Off" Mark wouldn't do :)
>
> Anyway - the tar file contains the source and the required
> libraries/Makefile. It runs under Windows and under Linux - you just have
> to compile it with a proper environment.
> The tool is a command line utility where the options/parameters are
> explained if you invoke it without any parameter.
>
> The source code is a good example for a very simple bot/ftp combination.
>
> --
> Andras
> "It's MY computer" (tm Steve Gibson)

Sep 14, 2004, 1:31pm

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> But going back to the origional point we had before Bowen decided that he
> wished to comment on languages he apparently does not know about.
>

I don't want to make statements either pro or con in this issue. Everyone has a right to pick his/her favorite language if it fits to the problem.
Where I DO have problem is that those "its a click your fingers task task" or a "3 line codes" or "10 minutes work" statements ... hmmm .... a littlebit over the reality and resulting the "Show Off" attribute attached to your name.
I'm not the best programmer of the world but such coding usually takes a day or so if you want to release QUALITY work, not something you whipped together in a few hours (few minutes - by your terminology).
As Bowen properly stated - released codes had to be thoroughly tested and tested and tested.
I doubt that even you - the best programmer of the Earth (again a quote from you) - has such an artificial intelligence on your computer that it can test your programs within your "few minutes" time frame..

> Isnt this really all thats required AWI side.
>
> - MR
>

Well,, that would be the simplistic approach with no error checking, no content checking, etc.
In the past the registry was updated with some very strange values which was not even near to the actual object size.
Most of the new rwx files contains the new "additions" which are not compatible with RWXMod, so nobody really checks them.
Every time I get objects for the updates I spend days to be sure they will meet all the requirements of AW (no - I don't judge them by the look or value - just by the technicalities).

AW doesn't need that tool - they have easy access to the world server without that :) Anyone who hosts worlds know that the required tools are available.


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Andras
"It's MY computer" (tm Steve Gibson)

Sep 14, 2004, 6:04pm

[View Quote] [View Quote] Nice, I'll work on getting it compiled when I get my linux box up and
running. Took longer than a few minutes I assume? :)

Sep 14, 2004, 6:26pm

[View Quote] > Nice, I'll work on getting it compiled when I get my linux box up and
> running. Took longer than a few minutes I assume? :)

Actually should took about 1-2 seconds :) OTOH if you want to make it under Windows, you'll need to create your own makefile.

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Andras
"It's MY computer" (tm Steve Gibson)

Sep 14, 2004, 6:30pm

[View Quote] [View Quote] To actually code it? Sorry; I meant to program it. :)

Sep 14, 2004, 9:30pm

Nothing a good EULA/disclaimer couldn't fix, right? Just like the P2P stuff,
AWI could say that they screen objects for decency but make no guarantee
that they're copyrighted or not. *shrug*

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Sep 14, 2004, 10:16pm

but it's hosted on thier servers, so it's diffrent i believe. isn't that
pretty much the same reason napster got shut down? even though they don't
personaly put the contents up, it's still thier servers, so they are
responsible for whats on it.

-SWE

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Sep 15, 2004, 6:32pm

And now I would like Activeworlds Inc. to include some objects from
Megapath, especially from Roman theme, which has several paintings and other
fine arts such as vases and also the furniture that I would like to see in
Alphaworld. I like to have a fine arts collection in my home in Alphaworld.
:D

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Legion
Chairman of Rockford Township, Phin County, Alphaworld

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Sep 15, 2004, 8:06pm

Now I changed mind. I want pretty much almost everything in Roman theme in
Alphaworld. Make me want to have classical architecture along with fine arts
and also landscaping. Ok I admit I'm inflating my wishlists lol.

Roman Theme has what I like about:

Fine Arts (Painting, Vases, et cetera)
Furnitures (fancy ;D)
Landscaping objects such as bushes and flowers.
Classical architecture.
Etc.

It can't hurt to have a few objects from these collections, eh?

Hey, President Enzo (probably won't read this section anyway but hey let's
just give it a try, eh?)
Objects without privileges of world owners.... can't hurt business, since
most people like to own worlds and therefore their desires to own a world
cannot be deterred by object additions to the Alphaworld library. World
owning has addition That's the good reasoning, Mr. President. :)

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Legion
Chairman of Rockford Township, Phin County, Alphaworld

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Sep 15, 2004, 8:22pm

That would have equated that with involuntary manslaughter.

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Legion
Chairman of Rockford Township, Phin County, Alphaworld

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Sep 15, 2004, 8:59pm

How about Activeworlds Inc. adopt a cost-cutting measure? Have many useless
worlds such as X-Files1, X-Files2, Godzilla, and others shut down and
transfers most of usable objects from those worlds over to Alphaworld. That
way, you can cut costs and also gains many customers. I doubt many contracts
such as ones with Sony Corporation (for The13th), Centropolis (The13th,
Godzilla, and other worlds), and others are still in effect so I would bet
Activeworlds Inc. are free to do anything with these worlds. In other words,
the contracts probably expired so what's the use for these useless world
that eats up cashes in Activeworlds Inc.'s funds. It costs to power them,
costs per bandwidth, etc. But it shouldn't applies to public building
worlds, just to world where nobody visits for a long time and that it is
outdated in which it couldn't work well in new versions. Why do you think
Activeworlds Inc. still have three AW 3.1 test worlds running? It's
pointless. Apparently, Activeworlds Inc. has wasted so much money on
maintaining outdated, useless worlds. By useless, I also mean that it's not
open to public buildings either. So.... what do you say, Mr. President?

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Legion
Chairman of Rockford Township, Phin County, Alphaworld

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Sep 15, 2004, 9:08pm

deleting worlds like the 13th, godzilla, etc would be silly. its still a
place to visit, and explore, and helps make activeworlds slightly less dull.
it costs alot to keep all those pointless historical sights (not the major
ones, but the ones no one really sees much) but they still have em, why?
because every little helps.

-SWE

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Sep 15, 2004, 10:19pm

if u like roman objects america has the most extensive roman objects in
activeworlds All custom made.
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Sep 16, 2004, 12:23am

Who's Nomad? I keep hearing alot about him/her so I don't know much about
that person except he/she is a well-known and prominent person plus a
certainly well-known object designer. But after that, I have no idea lol.

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Legion
Chairman of Rockford Township, Phin County, Alphaworld

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Sep 16, 2004, 8:05am

Made some good objects; Citname currently is Madeye or something, was a old
thread back in wishlist or worldbuilders about his free object set :)

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Signed,
TheMask

:: Owner of Delusional-Minds Hosting ::
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Sep 16, 2004, 1:05pm

That would require modification of the megapath. On the megapath, many
many AlphaWorld objects, and textures especially, are overwritten. They
would have to fix this.

More than likely though they wouldn't fix it properly - remember the
texture overwrites of 2001 after the price hike? Best not to ask them
for it :¬P

[View Quote] > Now I changed mind. I want pretty much almost everything in Roman theme in
> Alphaworld. Make me want to have classical architecture along with fine arts
> and also landscaping. Ok I admit I'm inflating my wishlists lol.
>
> Roman Theme has what I like about:
>
> Fine Arts (Painting, Vases, et cetera)
> Furnitures (fancy ;D)
> Landscaping objects such as bushes and flowers.
> Classical architecture.
> Etc.
>
> It can't hurt to have a few objects from these collections, eh?
>
> Hey, President Enzo (probably won't read this section anyway but hey let's
> just give it a try, eh?)
> Objects without privileges of world owners.... can't hurt business, since
> most people like to own worlds and therefore their desires to own a world
> cannot be deterred by object additions to the Alphaworld library. World
> owning has addition That's the good reasoning, Mr. President. :)
>

Sep 16, 2004, 1:06pm

I thought for a minute there that "Madeye" said something else. :¬D

[View Quote] > Made some good objects; Citname currently is Madeye or something, was a old
> thread back in wishlist or worldbuilders about his free object set :)
>

Sep 18, 2004, 4:24pm

same here ^_^

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Sep 18, 2004, 6:12pm

Someone need to make a stoplight for our towns. ;)

"NEWBURYPORT, MA - A special interest group called townbuilders were
offering President Enzo a special politcal contribution in exchange for
stoplight objects. President Enzo's Press Secretary said, "No comments."
Attempts to contact the President's Counsel also failed to yield anything,
except for recorded advertising craps about Active Worlds.

According to Mr. Legion, an attorney representing townbuilders special
interest group, the stoplights is critical because without it, the trends of
high rates of accidents including damages to the avatars will continue. "We
cannot go without stoplights. Lara doesn't even like it either," said
Legion, "We'll probably get Eepish if necessary, to get President's
attention. Mr. President, will you please do something?".

Attempts to contact Lara also failed, for strange reason. We also tried to
contact Strike Rapier but his telegram answering machine said, "Busy killing
off Legion. Too many damn Legions to kills." Andras was also eager to call
us back but we couldn't answer it since we were at party next door from our
newspaper office.

Attempts to contact Eep face-to-face got his rather Eepish response, "Don't
come back here with your shit, you twit." and immediately have to run out of
his world before his eject gun got us.

Attempts to contact Mauz only turns into confusion when she spoken in mouse
language, which we tried to find translator for but couldn't.

Attempts to contact Alphabit Phalpha was successfully made but only to have
gotten her surprisingly obvious response, "I don't know what you are talking
about."

Attempts to contact our newspaper editor failed.

Lastly, we tried to personally contact President himself but he hung up on
us, before we could fully explained our mission, saying he thought it was
his sister Enya, not newspaper, calling."

An excrept from Rockford Times newspaper.

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Legion
Chairman of Rockford Township, Phin County, Alphaworld

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Sep 18, 2004, 6:50pm

lol...I REALLY don't know what your'e talking about:)

Sep 19, 2004, 10:08pm

Don't encourage him (Enzo). -_-

;)

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Legion
Chairman of Rockford Township, Phin County, Alphaworld

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