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CPU Usage (23+ Kbytes) (Sdk)

CPU Usage (23+ Kbytes) // Sdk

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andras sarkozy

Dec 20, 1998, 7:08am
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Anyone can explain the high CPU usage of Ed's simple greeting bot??
This is a 300MHz DUAL Pentium II machine with 512MBytes of memory:

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Anyone can explain the high CPU usage of Ed's simple greeting bot??
<br>This is a 300MHz&nbsp; DUAL Pentium II machine with 512MBytes of memory:
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walter knupe

Dec 20, 1998, 11:16am
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Looks almost as if the greeterbot example does busy polling with no cpu =
release. almost. just a quarter of your horsepower is not beeing used. =
could be easily exlpla=EDned on the 4 cpu machine, with each greater.exe =
exhausting one cpu, leaving the system with the remaining one, but if =
you have only two, and=20
3 bots use each 25% and the Idle Process 25% some bots must have been =
releasing the cpu and some point so my guess wouldn't stand.

my 2 cents.

Andras Sarkozy schrieb in Nachricht =
<367CBE9D.E39BECDC at mail.storage.co.hu>...
Anyone can explain the high CPU usage of Ed's simple greeting bot??=20
This is a 300MHz DUAL Pentium II machine with 512MBytes of memory:=20
[Nice Pic removed: Important things:]

Name CPU

System Idle 25%
Greeter.exe 25%=20
Greeter.exe 25%=20
Greeter.exe 25%=20
=20
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greeterbot=20
example does busy polling with no cpu release. almost. just a quarter of =
your=20
horsepower is not beeing used. could be easily exlpla&iacute;ned on the =
4 cpu=20
machine, with each greater.exe exhausting one cpu, leaving the system =
with the=20
remaining one, but if you have only two, and </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>3 bots use each 25%&nbsp; and the Idle =
Process=20
25%&nbsp; some bots must have been releasing the cpu and some point so =
my guess=20
wouldn't stand.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>my 2 cents.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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<DIV>Andras Sarkozy<ANDRAS at MAIL.STORAGE.CO.HU> schrieb in Nachricht =
&lt;<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:367CBE9D.E39BECDC at mail.storage.co.hu">367CBE9D.E39BECDC at ma=
il.storage.co.hu</A>&gt;...</DIV>Anyone=20
can explain the high CPU usage of Ed's simple greeting bot?? =
<BR>This is a=20
300MHz&nbsp; DUAL Pentium II machine with 512MBytes of memory:=20
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>[Nice Pic removed: Important =
things:]</FONT>
<P><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>Name&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
CPU</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>System Idle&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
25%<BR>Greeter.exe&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 25%</FONT> <BR><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>Greeter.exe&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 25%</FONT> <BR><FONT =
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size=3D2>Greeter.exe&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 25%</FONT> <BR><BR>&nbsp;=20
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Strangely enough - when I have only one bot running it uses %25 of the total power. The program has a loop:
for (int i=0;i<36000;i++)
{
(AWWait)(1000); // 1 sec only
if (reset_gesture && reset_gesture < GetTickCount ())
{
/* time to set our gesture back to 0 again */
(AWIntSet) (AW_MY_GESTURE, 0);
(AWStateChange) ();
reset_gesture = 0;
}
}

but it has the 1 second AWWait in it which doesn't explains the CPU load.
Any more clue??


[View Quote] > Looks almost as if the greeterbot example does busy polling with no cpu release. almost. just a quarter of your horsepower is not beeing used. could be easily exlplaíned on the 4 cpu machine, with each greater.exe exhausting one cpu, leaving the system with the remaining one, but if you have only two, and3 bots use each 25% and the Idle Process 25% some bots must have been releasing the cpu and some point so my guess wouldn't stand. my 2 cents.
>
> Andras Sarkozy schrieb in Nachricht <367CBE9D.E39BECDC at mail.storage.co.hu>...Anyone can explain the high CPU usage of Ed's simple greeting bot??
> This is a 300MHz DUAL Pentium II machine with 512MBytes of memory:
>
> [Nice Pic removed: Important things:]
>
> Name CPU
>
> System Idle 25%
> Greeter.exe 25%
> Greeter.exe 25%
> Greeter.exe 25%
>
>
>

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Strangely enough - when I have only one bot running it uses %25 of the
total power. The program has a loop:
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; for (int i=0;i&lt;36000;i++)
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; {
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (AWWait)(1000); // 1 sec only
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; if (reset_gesture &amp;&amp;
reset_gesture &lt; GetTickCount ())
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; {
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp; /* time to set our gesture back to 0 again */
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (AWIntSet) (AW_MY_GESTURE, 0);
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (AWStateChange) ();
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; reset_gesture = 0;
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; }
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; }
<p>but it has the 1 second AWWait in it which doesn't explains the CPU
load.
<br>Any more clue??
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Well, for a test, i would increase the 1000 to 2000 and see it the cpu =
usage gets cut into half.

Walter

Andras Sarkozy schrieb in Nachricht =
<367D0F81.10792F9E at mail.storage.co.hu>...
Strangely enough - when I have only one bot running it uses %25 of =
the total power. The program has a loop:=20
for (int i=3D0;i<36000;i++)=20
{=20
(AWWait)(1000); // 1 sec only=20
if (reset_gesture && reset_gesture < GetTickCount ())=20
{=20
/* time to set our gesture back to 0 again */=20
(AWIntSet) (AW_MY_GESTURE, 0);=20
(AWStateChange) ();=20
reset_gesture =3D 0;=20
}=20
}=20
but it has the 1 second AWWait in it which doesn't explains the CPU =
load.=20
Any more clue??=20
=20

[View Quote] Looks almost as if the greeterbot example does busy polling =
with no cpu release. almost. just a quarter of your horsepower is not =
beeing used. could be easily exlpla=EDned on the 4 cpu machine, with =
each greater.exe exhausting one cpu, leaving the system with the =
remaining one, but if you have only two, and3 bots use each 25% and the =
Idle Process 25% some bots must have been releasing the cpu and some =
point so my guess wouldn't stand. my 2 cents. =20
Andras Sarkozy schrieb in Nachricht =
<367CBE9D.E39BECDC at mail.storage.co.hu>...Anyone can explain the high CPU =
usage of Ed's simple greeting bot??=20
This is a 300MHz DUAL Pentium II machine with 512MBytes of =
memory:=20
[Nice Pic removed: Important things:]=20

Name CPU=20

System Idle 25%=20
Greeter.exe 25%=20
Greeter.exe 25%=20
Greeter.exe 25%=20
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<DIV>Andras Sarkozy<ANDRAS at MAIL.STORAGE.CO.HU> schrieb in Nachricht =
&lt;<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:367D0F81.10792F9E at mail.storage.co.hu">367D0F81.10792F9E at ma=
il.storage.co.hu</A>&gt;...</DIV>Strangely=20
enough - when I have only one bot running it uses %25 of the total =
power.=20
The program has a loop: <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; for (int =
i=3D0;i&lt;36000;i++)=20
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; { <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
(AWWait)(1000); // 1=20
sec only <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; if =
(reset_gesture=20
&amp;&amp; reset_gesture &lt; GetTickCount ())=20
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; { <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; /* =
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=3D 0;=20
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; } =
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; }=20
<P>but it has the 1 second AWWait in it which doesn't explains the =
CPU load.=20
<BR>Any more clue?? <BR>&nbsp;=20
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memory:=20
<P><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D-1>[Nice Pic removed: =
Important=20
things:]</FONT></FONT>=20
<P><FONT face=3DArial><FONT=20
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CPU</FONT></FONT>=20
<P><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D-1>System =
Idle&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
25%</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT face=3DArial><FONT=20
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<BR><FONT=20
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25%</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT face=3DArial><FONT=20
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Good point - it decreased to %13 - %12 for each instance. It means for me that AWWait spends about 500 milisecond in he wait loop before gives up the control.
Actually - it means nothing :(( sorry
It is even a better mistery now!!! Is AWWait uses half the allocated time to do something and the rest for wait????


[View Quote] > Well, for a test, i would increase the 1000 to 2000 and see it the cpu usage gets cut into half. Walter
>
> Andras Sarkozy schrieb in Nachricht <367D0F81.10792F9E at mail.storage.co.hu>...Strangely enough - when I have only one bot running it uses %25 of the total power. The program has a loop:
> for (int i=0;i<36000;i++)
> {
> (AWWait)(1000); // 1 sec only
> if (reset_gesture && reset_gesture < GetTickCount ())
> {
> /* time to set our gesture back to 0 again */
> (AWIntSet) (AW_MY_GESTURE, 0);
> (AWStateChange) ();
> reset_gesture = 0;
> }
> }
>
> but it has the 1 second AWWait in it which doesn't explains the CPU load.
> Any more clue??
>
>
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Good point - it decreased to %13 - %12 for each instance. It means for
me that AWWait spends about 500 milisecond in he wait loop before gives
up the control.
<br>Actually - it means nothing :(( sorry
<br>It is even a better mistery now!!! Is AWWait uses half the allocated
time to do something and the rest for wait????
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I don't think it is aw_wait() itself that is causing the high CPU usage. =
I have several SDK applications running right now on an NT box (the DJ =
bots in the Gate and Atlantis, the blimp in AW) with a single 400mhz PII =
and none of them use more than 1-2% of the CPU. They all use a similar =
loop centered around aw_wait(1000).

Is your bot running somewhere where there are a lot of avatars? I've =
noticed that the bot program we have that is running all of the bots in =
The13th (somewhere around 20 bots or so) is using about 10% of the CPU =
of the NT machine, mostly due to the fact that many of the bots are =
moving around and others are chatting, and all those chat messages and =
state changes are being reflected back to all the other bots in the same =
program. This, by the way, is an obvious area of optimization for a =
future version of the SDK... :)

-Roland
[View Quote] Well, for a test, i would increase the 1000 to 2000 and see it =
the cpu usage gets cut into half. Walter =20
Andras Sarkozy schrieb in Nachricht =
<367D0F81.10792F9E at mail.storage.co.hu>...Strangely enough - when I have =
only one bot running it uses %25 of the total power. The program has a =
loop:=20
for (int i=3D0;i<36000;i++)=20
{=20
(AWWait)(1000); // 1 sec only=20
if (reset_gesture && reset_gesture < GetTickCount =
())=20
{=20
/* time to set our gesture back to 0 again */=20
(AWIntSet) (AW_MY_GESTURE, 0);=20
(AWStateChange) ();=20
reset_gesture =3D 0;=20
}=20
}=20
but it has the 1 second AWWait in it which doesn't explains =
the CPU load.=20
Any more clue??=20
=20

[View Quote] Looks almost as if the greeterbot example does busy =
polling with no cpu release. almost. just a quarter of your horsepower =
is not beeing used. could be easily exlpla=EDned on the 4 cpu machine, =
with each greater.exe exhausting one cpu, leaving the system with the =
remaining one, but if you have only two, and3 bots use each 25% and the =
Idle Process 25% some bots must have been releasing the cpu and some =
point so my guess wouldn't stand. my 2 cents.=20
Andras Sarkozy schrieb in Nachricht =
<367CBE9D.E39BECDC at mail.storage.co.hu>...Anyone can explain the high CPU =
usage of Ed's simple greeting bot??=20
This is a 300MHz DUAL Pentium II machine with =
512MBytes of memory:=20
[Nice Pic removed: Important things:]=20

Name CPU=20

System Idle 25%=20
Greeter.exe 25%=20
Greeter.exe 25%=20
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>I don't think it is aw_wait() itself =
that is=20
causing the high CPU usage.&nbsp; I have several SDK applications =
running right=20
now on an NT box (the DJ bots in the Gate and Atlantis, the blimp in AW) =
with a=20
single 400mhz PII and none of them use more than 1-2% of the CPU.&nbsp; =
They all=20
use a similar loop centered around aw_wait(1000).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Is your bot running somewhere where there are a lot =
of=20
avatars?&nbsp; I've noticed that the bot program we have that is running =
all of=20
the bots in The13th (somewhere around 20 bots or so) is using about 10% =
of the=20
CPU of the NT machine, mostly due to the fact that many of the bots are =
moving=20
around and others are chatting, and all those chat messages and state =
changes=20
are being reflected back to all the other bots in the same =
program.&nbsp; This,=20
by the way, is an obvious area of optimization for a future version of =
the=20
SDK... :)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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I sent my bot to the "end of the world" - means NO avatar, NO objects - No nothing. (Still within my world limit)
Andras

[View Quote] > I don't think it is aw_wait() itself that is causing the high CPU usage. I have several SDK applications running right now on an NT box (the DJ bots in the Gate and Atlantis, the blimp in AW) with a single 400mhz PII and none of them use more than 1-2% of the CPU. They all use a similar loop centered around aw_wait(1000). Is your bot running somewhere where there are a lot of avatars? I've noticed that the bot program we have that is running all of the bots in The13th (somewhere around 20 bots or so) is using about 10% of the CPU of the NT machine, mostly due to the fact that many of the bots are moving around and others are chatting, and all those chat messages and state changes are being reflected back to all the other bots in the same program. This, by the way, is an obvious area of optimization for a future version of the SDK... :) -Roland
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I sent my bot to the "end of the world" - means NO avatar, NO objects -
No nothing. (Still within my world limit)
<br>Andras
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I don't know how to phrase it - "throwing ash on his head".
I was using SDK build 5 :o))))) With the latest build (11) - the performance is perfect!!!!
I apologize about the confusion I made

Andras

[View Quote] > I don't think it is aw_wait() itself that is causing the high CPU usage. I have several SDK applications running right now on an NT box (the DJ bots in the Gate and Atlantis, the blimp in AW) with a single 400mhz PII and none of them use more than 1-2% of the CPU. They all use a similar loop centered around aw_wait(1000). Is your bot running somewhere where there are a lot of avatars? I've noticed that the bot program we have that is running all of the bots in The13th (somewhere around 20 bots or so) is using about 10% of the CPU of the NT machine, mostly due to the fact that many of the bots are moving around and others are chatting, and all those chat messages and state changes are being reflected back to all the other bots in the same program. This, by the way, is an obvious area of optimization for a future version of the SDK... :) -Roland
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I don't know how to phrase it - "throwing ash on his head".
<br>I was using SDK build 5 :o))))) With the latest build (11) - the performance
is perfect!!!!
<br>I apologize about the confusion I made
<p>Andras
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