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Re: "Open Your eyes People..." (was Re: Please Read) (Community)
Re: "Open Your eyes People..." (was Re: Please Read) // Community
Aug 3, 2001, 12:12am
Well then... It would appear that Gamer was indeed censored. Perhaps told to say it was not based upon fact. I don't doubt a single
word in that message, and if it disappears once more, we can only assume...
[View Quote]"eep" <eep at tnlc.com> wrote in message news:3B6A02F3.B7850AEC at tnlc.com...
> Good thing I made a copy of it...
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Open Your eyes People... (Was Re: Disappointment... [last long one, I promise!])
> Date: 2 Aug 2001 11:51:11 -0400
> From: "gamer" <Robbie at AWlife.net>
> Organization: AWLife.net
> Newsgroups: community
>
> Ok, for a long time now, throughout the Newsgroups and in AW, I have
> defended AWCOM and their actions, at times disputing Eeps words and backing
> up people like Facter.
>
> Last night I got off the phone after talking to Lord Vector of Vectorscape.
> We spoke for a long time about things that had gone off in the past, and it
> really taught me somthing. Most of what Eep says is very right, and perhaps
> its time you had some examples of typical AWCOM embaressment..
>
> When Lord Vector first bough his universe, AWCOM told him they would give
> him a 30 day Key while he paid off the price of the universe. He got his key
> and he start up Vectorscape, a week later after paying them off, he
> contacted Rick and asked him for is his full 1 year Key to run the Universe.
> AWCOM told him "Well that one will last you another few weeks yet" LV was
> like, Thatsn ot the point really? I've paid so I want my key...it turns out
> that Key lasted a year..
>
> He never got a contract form AW about his universe...merely a badly written
> Invoice for the money paid where the name of AWCOM had been mis-spelt...on
> the only documentation he had prooving owner of Vectorscape...
>
> Before buying the universe he was told he would twice the amount of space he
> actully got, and after ringing Rick personaly he found that the website has
> been "ammended" literaly minutes after his phone call, what AWCOM werent
> expecting was that LV has printed off the site with a timestamp ready to be
> sent to his lawyer...
>
> After a year, when the first Key expired, LV did'nt recieve his new key in
> time. Vectorscape went offline. He tried continuosly for 14 hours trying to
> get in touch with AW, before finally getting his new key...
>
> At one point AWCOM completely cut off contact with LV, ignoring phone calls,
> e-mails and faxes for days, it wasent until LV rang JP and told him the
> situation and again threatened legal action that within 30 seconds of his
> phone call with JP ending he got an e-mail from Rick asking "wheres your
> phone number? I've lost it, oh my! I'm so sorry"
>
> Facter tells you that the NGs are not monitored at the weekend. After one
> dispute with AWCOM, LV attempted to post his problems in the NGs, this being
> a saturday, you wouldnt expect the Messages to be being deleted off the
> server with seconds of LV sedning them, huh?
>
> Eep is completely right about AWCOM. On numerous occasions LV talk to Rick
> on the phone, and Rick had no cecept of how buisness can work in these
> matters, Rick would be suggesting things and LV would be like "But dont you
> realise you cant do that? Its illegal" and Rick would just repeat himself or
> ignore LV. Even at one point using the exact words "But we would never let
> any other universe be in competition with us.."
>
> Its not just AWCOMs inept ability to manage themselfs as a buisness...how
> about the AW browser as it is? Most of you know the real story behind AWCOM
> and how Protag got laid off. Well the reason why the browser was not changed
> for so many years was because without Protag, these guys didnt have a clue
> how to use the many undocumented functions and features that Protag
> created...Even features added at a later date, including SEQs, were works of
> Protag that were done but unused when they kicked him off the team.
>
> Heres a real embaresment for you AWCOM, I bet you would like people to know
> that the 2.2 (and possible 3.0 and 3.1) WORLD SERVERS that you charge so
> highly for DO NOT validate the world size and users after starting up?
> When the world server starts up, it merely sends a pulse to the Uniserver
> and then starts the world...all restrictions then run from two addresses in
> the code for Size and User limit which can easily be edited as large as 204
> users and 32000 N E S W, which u all know is the size of
> AlphaWorld...perhaps I've solved everoyne problem about expensive worlds?
> Just buy a p-10/5 users and download a hex editor, and boom! you've got your
> own AlphaWorld, but offcourse, no-one knows about it, so its ok, right
> Roland? Offcourse LV told AW about this simple flaw and how its possible to
> fix it...has it been fixed?
>
> Speaking of you Roland, your not the model employee either? On more than one
> occasion you have been found (and I CAN get proove if nessacery) to leak
> code to people form the browser...
> There are sites on the net today offering the entire 2.2 3.0 and later
> sources and some of you know that the Renderware engine is freeware so long
> as you dont use it to make money...free version of AW anyone?
>
> Theres just a few of the things that I hope have shown you what AW are
> like...and before you say every company has faults...well this is just the
> problems LV has encountered...how about Fandom?
>
> Fandom was closed simply becuase AW screwed them. When AW setup fandom
> worlds, they put in many restrictions so as to keep control of the
> universe...thats why Fandom go so much space...Fandom didnt even know that
> they could host they're own Uni, and after speaking to LV and SeeRay
> Studios, they asked AW if they could host it themselfs, AW simply said
> "sure, but you'll have to pay another..." let me tell you that price was in
> 5 or 6 figures, thats why Fandom pulled out and Fandom Worlds died...but
> hey! that buisness, right Rick, after all, you did say "But we would never
> let any other universe be in competition with us.."
>
> The only reason Outworlds has survived is by its contant mothering by AWCOM.
> And the only reason VS has done well is becuase not only has LV been
> persistant to get what he paid for, but he has let AWCOM have no interaction
> with his universe whatsoever...
>
> Perhaps you guys wont be as quick to dismis Eep and others in future. Ok,
> somtimes his views and langauge is explicit, in this I've tried to merely
> give you the facts. I am open to AWCOM replying to this with they're defense
> or whatever.
>
> And finally, before any of you say "Well if you dont like it, leave". I'm
> not saying I don't like AW. I'm sharing thei nformation that has made me
> look at AW in a different light.
>
> -Gamer
>
> kah wrote:
>
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