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tS7, future and some thoughts
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tS7, future and some thoughts // Roundtable
Post by Steinie // Nov 8, 2006, 4:47am
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I'm not sure I understand why you need to pay almost $900 to get a needed upgrade/fix (i.e., the UV Mapper) when it's ready to give to users. Why should those that have paid in full for the product have to wait for fixes that were promised?
ProTeam may be a good deal for someone who has never purchased it before; but you're asking people to pay $900 each year to get updates before the rest of the TS7 owners, and maybe a new course (if one is available). That doesn't seem right at all. For that much money, you could almost have enough to buy ZBrush2 and PhotoShop to add to TrueSpace7. This is one of the reasons that TS6.6 won't be upgraded to version 7 on my computer.
-Keith
Actually today to get a fix right away it would cost you $696 TS 7.11 + V-Ray and another $900 for ProTeam= $1596 (you forgot to mention the money already paid, you just bought TS and want it current you would need to spend $1596 for "current fixes")
The other concern I would have is 7.11 even going to get a fix? I only see talk about 7.5. and that is a $50.00 upgrade.
Just keepin it real.... |
Post by Misc // Nov 8, 2006, 4:57am
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i do not understand this ProTeam and update thing.
Can you explain why we should pay for faster bugfixing and an implementation of features which were promised a long time ago and should already be in TS7?!? |
Post by nowherebrain // Nov 8, 2006, 5:56am
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I always assumed, the LE was a type of object based scripting. I thought you would be able to have branching statements in an object(a cube or other mesh) and control events from there...like an if/else node some loop nodes vector math...like distance to this object----conform to normal etc...that would be super-fun...
I am babbling
besides I have not even finished reading all of this thread. |
Post by nowherebrain // Nov 8, 2006, 6:34am
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i do not understand this ProTeam and update thing.
Can you explain why we should pay for faster bugfixing and an implementation of features which were promised a long time ago and should already be in TS7?!?
AMEN!....wait, which features exactly? Not that I do not agree, it's just that none come to mind.
However, I do feel that it is wrong to only allow "tools as they become available" for proTeam members only. I mean seriously if it is a new feature, I totally understand, but I cant even create a primitive without using the model side. Don't even bring up the library as an option, that simply screams "workaround".
Caligari could and IMO should offer a demo version...this woud maybe hurt sales, but then at least people would know percisely what they wer getting.
final note, I was here when it was tS S.E.(not the earliest, but early none the less)I'm here with ver. 7.11, I'll be here for 7.5, and ver 8.x as well. |
Post by KeithC // Nov 8, 2006, 6:38am
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I've been asking for a demo since TS7 came out; not going to happen. |
Post by hemulin // Nov 8, 2006, 6:52am
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i do not understand this ProTeam and update thing.
Can you explain why we should pay for faster bugfixing and an implementation of features which were promised a long time ago and should already be in TS7?!?
Proteam gets you all of the tS7 courses, which turns out cheaper than buying them seperately, there are other advantages too. |
Post by KeithC // Nov 8, 2006, 6:59am
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ProTeam wouldn't be a bad deal for first time subscribers; as they can get all the courses (TS6 courses are still relevant to TS7). But what about those that have subscriptions that have run out? The point here is, why should someone have to pay again (more than the program costs) to get fixes/improvements as they are made available? Doesn't seem right. |
Post by Bobbins // Nov 8, 2006, 7:00am
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I've been asking for a demo since TS7 came out; not going to happen.
In this thread:
http://forums1.caligari.com/truespace/showthread.php?t=1392
Started by you, KeithC - so I assume you read it, TomG does say the demo is planned after the release of tS7.5 and explain why it will be available then. |
Post by Steinie // Nov 8, 2006, 7:04am
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I don't think there is a problem with ProTeam and what it has to offer but as a TS 7.11 owner why do we have to pay extra to get fixes sooner? |
Post by KeithC // Nov 8, 2006, 7:05am
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Yep, that's what was said when 7 was coming out, and then when 7.1 came out. We'll see if they hold to it this time. |
Post by TomG // Nov 8, 2006, 7:33am
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"Ouch! And that hurts it all back. Why just for Pro Team members? Are normal users second class users? Isn't it more that there are ways more normal users than Pro Team users? Isn't the mass paying the company? Isn't the mass the goal where a company should attract and aim to?"
Because there is more to the delivery mechanism than meets the eye. And that is going to take extra money to develop and deliver, hence it will be a subscription service.
The nature of proTeam is they get extra benefits. They get to beta test tS7.5, and then they get it for free when it comes out. Does that make other users who get no beta testing and have to purchase the upgrade "second class citizens"? This is no different to that. It is an extra service provided to those who have bought it.
All the other users will continue to get upgrades and fixes as before.
Sorry that some feel that three releases in 10 months is not good enough (tS7.0, tS7.1, tS7.11) - it is pretty good in the industry :) And yet we are still looking to improve it.
Why not release little fixes along the way so far? Because there is a lot of inter-connectivity at the moment, and often it is a core fix required to improve three or four different tools. As noted, development on making the "micro updates" possible is ongoing and not yet in place.
So it would not have been possible to do anything other than amalgamated patches of various fixes so far, and it takes time to gather all those parts together.
"The other concern I would have is 7.11 even going to get a fix? I only see talk about 7.5. and that is a $50.00 upgrade."
There are no plans announced at present as to whether there will or won't be a tS7.11 bug fix. Due to the inter-related nature of things, it may not be possible. There always comes a break point where you start having too many versions to maintain - "bug fix tS7.11, and tS7.5, and tS7.6, and update to tS7.7" - so at some point in order to avoid going bankrupt in having developers in a very complex situation having to maintain two or three programs, there just has to be a move over to a new version. We've done our best to avoid that where possible, but every so often it happens.
HTH,
Tom |
Post by TomG // Nov 8, 2006, 7:36am
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"features which were promised a long time ago and should already be in TS7?!?"
All promised features for tS7.0 and tS7.11 are already in tS7.0 and tS7.11. I am unaware of anything that was promised that is not in there at the moment, so no-one is being asked to pay extra for things they have been promised.
HTH!
Tom |
Post by TomG // Nov 8, 2006, 7:56am
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Yep, that's what was said when 7 was coming out, and then when 7.1 came out. We'll see if they hold to it this time.
Actually we never did say that for 7 or 7.1. What we said was that we were not decided on whether or not to release a demo. We always said we were not sure of the worth of a demo and so it was under consideration whether we would release one.
This was true up until the last few months, when we decided (and announced) that we would have a tS7 demo after all, and that it would wait until after tS7.5 due to the changes being brought in.
However, before that time, we always said we were considering a demo, but considering not having one too. Please see this as an example, from May this year:
http://forums1.caligari.com/truespace/showthread.php?t=820&highlight=demo
HTH,
Tom |
Post by Tiles // Nov 8, 2006, 8:20am
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Because there is more to the delivery mechanism than meets the eye. And that is going to take extra money to develop and deliver, hence it will be a subscription service.
I know. I develop games as a hobby. So it's not that i don't have any clue what i am talking about ;)
Your calculation is totally wrong. That's exactly the marketing strategy that has cost Caligari hundrets of potential/ formerly TS users. Down to the point where we are now. TS is an exotic software nowadays.
As told before: it may slow down the main development speed. But you get paid with satisfied users. And satisfied users buys updates. And recommend the software. Not satisfied users simply leave. You will not longer earn money with them. Too many, too many ...
That's also the strategy why too many bugs remains in the software, which scares the users away. A buggy feature is an useless feature.
Sorry that some feel that three releases in 10 months is not good enough (tS7.0, tS7.1, tS7.11) - it is pretty good in the industry And yet we are still looking to improve it.
This little company i mentioned, and releases new builds and bugfixes as fast as possible is also from the industry. I am also just a hobby game developer. But my fans would kill me when i would act like that ;)
There always comes a break point where you start having too many versions to maintain - "bug fix tS7.11, and tS7.5, and tS7.6, and update to tS7.7"
Not at all. Depends how to handle it. Let's say you release 7.5. Why not call the patches as 7.5 Build 200, next patch Build 201 , Build 202 ... Then release TS 7.6 Build 203, Build 204, and so on.
And when the next mayor release comes in da house you can stop with new bugfixes for older releases anyway. Because in this way there shouldn't be too much bugs left to be fixed.
All promised features for tS7.0 and tS7.11 are already in tS7.0 and tS7.11. I am unaware of anything that was promised that is not in there at the moment, so no-one is being asked to pay extra for things they have been promised.
That's the thingie with what you tell us what we get and what we really get. The Bugs and flaws. Not proper working features that never get fixed for eons ;)
When we look from this angle there is lots of stuff missing. TOO much.
Pro Team ... It is an extra service provided to those who have bought it.
Nothing wrong with that. But you really should rethink what extra service means. Bug fixes as an extra service?
Broken wheels at a car, and you have to wait for the company that it also fixes the not working fuel pump, the not properly working oil pump, the reverse gear, the funny noises it makes when you drive more than 50? Are you serious? |
Post by Garion // Nov 8, 2006, 8:40am
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So you are saying that 50+ man years our developement team put in the form of 100 hour work weeks in TS7 architecture is pretty worthless. Thank you as a felow developer for boosting our moral
Nope, it probably, maybe, will be sooper...
The problem is that what we got in TS 7 was TS 6.6 with a pretty face at triple the price with the actual TS7 part being mostly usless or missing.
TomG said that the Player IS TS7 and we all know now that TS7 is still a work in progress with none of the actual tools we need to Use daily implimened in the TS7 part yet This is apparently going to hold true for TS7.5 as well. So what we bought as TS7 was really TS6.6 with a pretty face.
I have just upgraded my car today, I bought a newer version of the same model I currently own. I took it for a test drive and tested all the new things that have been fitted into this later model and it was a breeze.
Imagine what would have happened if I had gone for a test drive, and found that the steering wheel was not where it had been, that it had been moved to the boot or that the seats were facing the wrong way so that I was looking backwards and at certain points, if and when I got the car to move they all changed places as I worked through the gears and I ended up being upside down or hidden by the engine. Would I buy this car, more importantly would I recomend to my friends, former students and collegues that it was really good car?
It has all the bits a car needs, with a few luxury items thrown in. Unlike TS 7 it's complete but the problem is that it would damn near impossible to drive and would not really be fit for purpose.
That is the mess that is Truespace 7, what should have been an evolution of a trusted and well tried piece of software, has turned into a revolution of anger and confusion.
I have used and written so many applications in my time, upgrading those that I used daily and I have never, ever in my life seen an application I have upgraded from be totally screwed up and unfinished as Truespace 7 is.
What we bought was TS 6.7 or 6.8, It can'y be TS7 as none of the tools we actualy need are in TS7, they are in teh bolted on TS6.6.
If your morale is down Roman, it can't have sunk as low as mine and other like minded peoples.
Over the years we have supported you and given you our hard earned cash, we have advocated the use ot Truespace to many people over the years but that is now on hold.
Caligari have gone some way to redress the balance with the 7.1 update for free but the 7.5 update is only free to those us who preordered and adds $50 to the cost for those that did not.
Your client base is trying to tell you something, those of us who are not shy at coming forward are in the vanguard. We are not being rude, we are not trying to start a flame war and we are not troublemakers. We are just concerned Truespace users.
We are NOT dissing Truespace, I still use TS66 daily.
Lets not make this personal, for that way lies disaster.
Cheers
Garion |
Post by Misc // Nov 8, 2006, 9:28am
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All promised features for tS7.0 and tS7.11 are already in tS7.0 and tS7.11. I am unaware of anything that was promised that is not in there at the moment, so no-one is being asked to pay extra for things they have been promised.
HTH!
Tom
sorry... i have a mail that says something different......
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Thank you for ordering the trueSpace7 upgrade - you will be pleased to know that final production work is going well. But I have even better news for you!
As you may know, Caligari has announced that character animation will be released as part of the trueSpace7.1 upgrade approximately 6 months after the initial trueSpace7.....
......While trueSpace7's new functionality is amazing value already, we received feedback from many of you that character animation tools are essential. I agree. Thus, we’ve decided to provide the trueSpace7.1 upgrade at no charge to all customers, like yourself, who purchase trueSpace7 during this pre-release special offer!
6 months are over, TS7.11 is out... haven't seen any character animation tools yet ..... :( |
Post by Steinie // Nov 8, 2006, 9:42am
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I think everyone knows 7.1 talked about in that email is now refered to as 7.5.
Caligari explained that to everyone right? Did you get everything they promised you in 7.11? |
Post by Misc // Nov 8, 2006, 9:50am
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I think everyone knows 7.1 talked about in that email is now refered to as 7.5.
ah i forgot, and those 6 month are 16 ;) .....
Sorry i can't resist Steini. :D
When i preordered TS7 and got this mail i did not know that TS 7.5 was meant. |
Post by prodigy // Nov 8, 2006, 11:05am
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LOLZ!!!
The only thing im not very happy its :
I "past of BUY" TS7.1 and the only patch for this price is for the TS7.11 I must addmit.. the truespace 7.1 + Vray be very very good.. and im not rich at all.. but its accesible price... but 1mb patch with that fix very dumb bugs.. Thats dont make me happy at all..
Whatever...
Cheers.. |
Post by JPSofCA // Nov 8, 2006, 11:30am
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The nature of proTeam is they get extra benefits. They get to beta test tS7.5, and then they get it for free when it comes out. Does that make other users who get no beta testing and have to purchase the upgrade "second class citizens"? This is no different to that. It is an extra service provided to those who have bought it.
My proTeam just expired in October. I wanted to beta test 7.5 - actually, the chance to beta test what's on the horizon and be able to give feedback during the development process was one of the main reasons I signed up. I guess I was misinformed. Some lame thing came out to create something in order to "win" tester status. And despite my requesting wanting to beta test - the last time amidst a truePlay session where my "hide avatars" feature suggestion seemed to be well received (my input couldn't be all that useless) - I felt a little pushed aside...something on the lines of "working on a way to let all proTeamers test" - or that's the impression I got. Come to think of it, that night I felt like my subscription fee got snatched right out of pocket...I felt very excluded. :crybaby:
So basically, my jump from tS6.6 to 7.11 cost me $600. A year later, I'll have to wait to catch up to using 7.5 when it finally comes out...and when I finally catch up, then I can adress the issues I could have addressed the year prior. Please don't mention all the courses and plugins! I purchased all of the plugins I wanted well before proTeam, and the courses are not something I joined for (I prefer written documentation) nor were they anything I would have joined in the future for, although many courses do have their benefits.
Anyway, I gotta get ready for work...with all the proTeam talk rising up, I just had to share my $600 experience. I love trueSpace, the tS community, and Caligari. I just had to say what I had to say.
trueSpace is looking very nice, and it's going in the right direction as a product...keep up the good work. |
Post by Vizu // Nov 8, 2006, 2:02pm
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Ah Misc !
I remember on this email and i can´t remember to get a newer mail with the informations about a move from 7.1 to 7.5.
http://www.vizualizer.de/trash/71.jpg
But i hear about it in the german Truespace forum but not official. |
Post by TomG // Nov 8, 2006, 3:27pm
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The email shown was prior to the name change :)
1. tS7.0 released
2. tS7.1 announced, to contain new animation tools, and offers were done for the free update to tS7.1 when it was released to those buying tS7.0 at that time (the email shown in previous post)
3. Plans for character animation grew and made it clear that this was far more than a mere point upgrade after all. tS7.1 was renamed to tS7.5, and those who qualified under 2 then qualified for a free tS7.5. Eligibility did not change, just the name.
4. Rather than wait for tS7.5, two point releases were made to offer improvements to tS7 - these were named tS7.1 and tS7.11. This tS7.1 was never meant to have the character animation in it, as noted in point 3 above.
Emails and forum posts were done to notify everyone as we went along :)
HTH!
Tom |
Post by Norm // Nov 8, 2006, 3:59pm
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I suppose I should remind folks that use of trueSpace forums is not a "right" but a privilege.
I am seeing a degree of incorrect statements flowing in this thread. It is one thing to let you speak your mind, however if you choose to distort facts to serve your purpose, I will have no choice but to place you under moderation.
Do yourself a favor and read all your posts in the forums. Those who are unsure of an author's character, should feel free to review all their posts and decide for yourselves whether the author deserves reading. Feel free to add to their reputation if you feel they are deserving or remove from their reputation if you believe they deserve this. |
Post by Burnart // Nov 8, 2006, 5:25pm
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tS7 is a new beast - the fact that it still has 6.6 bolted on is a good thing.
It's worth mentioning a couple of similar situations in the past 5 years or so. The upgrade of Hash Animation Master (vers 8 to 9 I think - maybe it was 9 to 10). Involved a major rewrite of the core code. It was buggy and the user groups were full of complaints. A couple of years down the track the loyal user base that didn't give up on the program are very happy with it. The bugs have been tackled and a range of new and improved features are available and stable. Similarly with Lighwave (version 5 to 6 I think) - precisely the same story - major program rewrite, lots of bugs, lots of complaints, eventually stability and the user base is happy once more. The point being that the new core code made the software improvements possible. I absolutely believe that is where Caligari are hoping to take tS.
My biggest complaint about the way this transition is being managed is the thing I mentioned earlier - I really think more information about the new features and how to actually use them should be provided with the upgrade. The LE and associated environment is new territory - better and more tutorials would help a lot. |
Post by Zeipher // Nov 8, 2006, 6:04pm
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This is a very interesting topic. I started tS with 3.2... and from there went up to 5.2, then to 6.6 and finally 7. Now, I found the jump from 3.2 to 5.2 massive... yet I can barely remember much of a change from 5.2 to 6.6. The only real difference for me was a much faster renderer and a few extra tools. Now, would I say it was worth it? Definately! Perhaps a few of you are expecting far too much. Would you rather the jump was so large that you'd need to learn the program all over again? My trip from 3.2 to 5.2 was a long and stressful one, lol. As far as I see it, as soon as the 'Player' takes over the reins there will be one heck of a leap. What tS7 is, is another of those nudges in the right direction. What we have now is technically a hybrid of the two. Once again, render time has gone up from 6.6, and we even have more renderers, such as VRay. We have faster, more accurate physics too, might I add, which of course might not been too useful for many modelers, but as an animator I've found it very useful.
I will admit that my own workflow has been slowed slightly by the transition, but I'm looking at the bigger picture here. Where other software has an update which has only a few tools added (3DMax, C4D, etc) I'm sure very very very few of them start over from the ground up. That's what the player side is. It is the new trueSpace. It will have every tool that the moddler side has, plus more, and with its real-time renderer it already has great potential. Now what Caligari has done is provided us with a leg up, rather than a leap. I'm sure they could have ignored an update, and made tS7 into the full version Player, but I'm going to guess that we'd still be waiting... after all, they've had to write everything from scratch more or less.
Compare some tS6.6 renders to a few tS7's, and look at the difference. I've seen some really impressive work coming from more people than I have done before 7. I myself have made an object, simply slapped on HDR and gone "Wow, I'm good!" where before, I could never make the object look as good with 6.6.
Anyway, I guess my point is that even though a few of you are upset and angry, I'm sure more people would be complaining were Caligari to hold off on a release until their final vision was created in its entirity.
Oh, also note that the majority of the people who are coming out with glowing comments are those on the Beta-team... you know, those actually working with tS7.5? Maybe there's a good reason for that ;) |
Post by Vizu // Nov 8, 2006, 10:28pm
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Thanky Tom for this statement.
For me (with my poor english) i understand to get the new animationtools in 7.1.
My mistake. |
Post by Garion // Nov 9, 2006, 1:32am
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Do yourself a favor and read all your posts in the forums.
Well I followed your advice Norm and read through all my posts and from my personal side of things, I can’t see any inaccuracies or distortions and I stand by everything I have said.
I have certainly broken no rules that I am aware and am confident that my posts are well within the guidelines of acceptable behaviour of the 'forum'.
What I , personally, do see is an informed debate between Truespace users regarding the perceived value and state of TS7 and the direction it is going in.
Some folks are happy and some folks ain’t....
As for this forum being a privilege, if you can't actively discuss concerns in a polite and civilised way and have counter and counter-point discussions then its not really a forum, its 'Yes man' only propaganda outlet which is a very unhealthy state of affairs.
Oh and I am not saying that IS the case, just that it might be construed by some as being the case.
I see no personal attacks from anyone, no flame wars or threats of violence.
Those who are unsure of an author's character, should feel free to review all their posts and decide for yourselves whether the author deserves reading. Feel free to add to their reputation if you feel they are deserving or remove from their reputation if you believe they deserve this.
Once again from my point of view, It could be construed from your own post as Moderator of these 'forums' that your comments on a persons 'character' can be implied as a threat and a veiled go ahead for a Witch Hunt.
Silence the naysayer’s and totally ignore them as they are of bad character.
Once again I am not saying that is/was your intent, but that it could be distorted by some in the way I have described.
The medium of text is a very difficult way to communicate a poster’s actual point of view. There are no real inflections in language and no body language to give hints as to the real emotion behind what the poster is trying to express.
It seems quite obvious to me that Caligari do not like any form of constructive criticism as every time someone posts that they are not happy with something, we get the mantra 'of the new architecture and the dream' and the actual points of concern are ignored and buried under the YES crowd and eventually left to rot.
The key points of My own concerns are that the BULK of TS7 is actually TS66 and I was charged triple the price for a package I already owned. The tools in TS 7 Player side were non-existent and still are for modelling, so I was still using TS66 which I had to pay for again.
So I essentially paid twice for TS66 and shell of what TS7 will be when its finished.
TS7 is a fraction of what it’s supposed to be yet cost 3 times as much.
As a loyal Caligari customer I have given Caligari the benefit of the doubt and retracted my request for refund.
I personally live in a free western world, where freedom of speech is an inalienable human right, it was what separated us from the 'bad' guys and as an old 'Cold Warrior' I value my right to speak freely and constructively criticise anything I feel very strongly about. As long as that criticism is presented in a civilised way, without resorting to name calling, threats and violence, I see no problem.
As this is a private 'forum' I also understand that I cannot bad mouth or personally attack Caligari or any other forum member. Nor would ever feel the need to do so, nor do I see a problem with voicing concerns in a civilised way as stated above.
I will keep on posting within the rules of this forum and will NEVER resort to veiled threats or uncivilised behaviour.
Likewise I would expect Caligari to be open to constructive thought and listen to what their customer base is telling them. How Caligari acts on this is entirely up to them, but I would never believe that they would ban someone from the forum or attempt a character assassination because they did not like what they were hearing..
That is after all what the ‘bad guys’ did in the past.
My comments on the past are just an analogy, not a political statement
If quoting from this post in reply , please do not quote out of context.:rolleyes:
Cheers
Dr Gary Galbraith PhD
Lecturer Computing (Retired) |
Post by Steinie // Nov 9, 2006, 2:48am
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Garion,
Maybe he was talking about ME!!
I think the discussion here is healthy and keeping everyone on their toes. If everything was perfect there wouldn't be a need for TS7 or TS 7.5.
The issues brought up are money, value, promises and delivery. Where else can these people go to feel like their being heard? As long as they don't get insulting or demeaning it's part of the business. It's all part of customer service, listening to the customer. If Caligari listens and acts we'll all be happy.
Calm waters ahead or man overboard?.....Captain??? |
Post by KeithC // Nov 9, 2006, 3:00am
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Feel free to add to their reputation if you feel they are deserving or remove from their reputation if you believe they deserve this.
Wow, what a comment to come from one of the Admin. here. I see I am now at an "unknown quantity", because I was apparently "over exaggerating" when I referred to the cost estimate needed in order to get bug fixes via the ProTeam subscription. The post I made is here (http://forums1.caligari.com/truespace/showthread.php?t=1570&page=4); read it yourself, and if you believe I'm "over-exaggerating" feel free to give me some more "negative reputation". So much for having a bit of a dialogue.
I used to push Caligari (GameSpace and TrueSpace) quite a bit in my area as a great alternative to Max/Maya, LW, and XSI. But over the last year I become more "vocal" about the path that Caligari has taken. Apparently if you're not on board then you're not welcome here. I had even started working on a series of small (free) tutorials aimed at the game developer crowd using GameSpace Light, Lithunwrap, and the GIMP; a step-by-step proccess on getting game art into the engine. I'm not sure its a good idea to steer someone to a place that they can can berated for voicing their opinion, so I've abandoned using GS Light.
I'm sure since this is my opinion, and I appear to be the only one who got docked points over all this, that I'll be in the negative by the time I read this again. It's too bad, I really do enjoy coming here; even though some here obviously would rather I didn't.
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Post by Humdinger // Nov 9, 2006, 5:00am
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Humdinger
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Well...
As Cindy Lauper penned years ago
"Money Changes Everything"
Been sitting here following along, PMing a few people etc. and decided to chime in.
We need a demo of TS 7.5 that is released within weeks if not days of the official software release. It has been discussed elsewhere and from what I read it is in the pipeline, though I understand the issues with the online collaboration.
But, regardless of how scaled down or what features may be turned 'off'..we need a demo.
Threads like this are very important, yet at the same time you wish no one had to post or read them.
If you do not like something fine, if you still feel, after paying NO money… that you have to tell people how unhappy you are..?
You are a jerk who needs to move on.
:)
BUT! That appears NOT be what is happening here.
People are frustrated, people are feeling unheard, left out etc. Which is why this thread is important. No one that does not care would waste his or her time posting into this thread, other than a jerk.
Now, do you care just because you paid money …?
Works for me! :banana:
BUT! As before I am sure there is more to the 'passion' than just the money part.
I make this assumption as I hope all that read the posts here including Caligari Staff, because we are talking about TrueSpace here.
I do not have or have ever used TS 7.0 I know TS 6.6 pretty well and can really respect/understand anyone that has continued to use it regardless of what else was/is out there and what they can afford.
We're a good lot.
A bit 'quirky' like the application we use, but a good group with good minds and imagination.
I think the 'heat' in here is at a good point. A few hot spots but all is well.
I hope others respect the roles some of the Caligari staff must play within the structure of a company.
Which goes back to my main point…
Threads like this are very important, yet at the same time you wish no one had to post or read them.
Wait! No!..
My Maaaaaaaaaaaain Point..
We need a demo of TS 7.5 that is released within weeks if not days of the official software release.:D |
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