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Truespace 7.5, First Impressions?, Renders?
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Truespace 7.5, First Impressions?, Renders? // Roundtable
Post by Solomon // May 7, 2007, 3:40am
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hi Guys,
has anyone already gotten their TS 7.5?
so what are your first impressions? got any renders to show? screen grabs? |
Post by Jack Edwards // May 7, 2007, 3:45am
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Still 14 hours on the count down clock. There's some works by beta testers and proTeam members that have been posted using the beta.
-Jack. |
Post by W!ZARD // May 7, 2007, 3:47am
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Wow you're keen - it's only 06.45 am in California according to the World Clock as I type. The Caligarians are probably rightfully concerned with brewing the first coffee of the day right about now!;)
Just keep breathing!
Imagine how much worse off I am - it's 01:46 am on Tuesday where I am!!
Breathe, breathe, breathe |
Post by splinters // May 7, 2007, 4:52am
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There are plenty of grabs and opinions about it on these forums...but it is still a Beta until the gold is released, so hard to give a final holistic opinion.
Suffice to say, I opened tS7.11 yesterday and I thought it looked awful-and I designed the icon and toolbar gradients!! I couldn't find things; I am that used to 7.5 UI and the whole UI design seems much better.
tS7.5 is more polished and professional looking, it is also much more streamlined and easier to work in. My guess is, you are gonna love it...:) |
Post by Steinie // May 7, 2007, 5:18am
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tS7.11 is more polished and professional looking, it is also much more streamlined and easier to work in. My guess is, you are gonna love it...:)
We all know you meant 7.5...:) |
Post by Improv // May 7, 2007, 6:02am
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tS7.11 is more polished and professional looking, it is also much more streamlined and easier to work in. My guess is, you are gonna love it...:)
Pepe the Pig would be Pork Proud! :D |
Post by TomG // May 7, 2007, 6:51am
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Please see this thread:
http://forums1.caligari.com/truespace/showthread.php?p=31317#post31317
There is no precise hour for release, the countdown clock is primarily to remind those who are ordering, as there is a precise hour for that expiry.
HTH!
Tom |
Post by skipper // May 7, 2007, 8:42am
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"Are we there yet?" :D |
Post by Paul Boland // May 7, 2007, 9:57am
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2 hours to go...
:banana: |
Post by hemulin // May 7, 2007, 10:08am
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We'll be expecting fireworks ;):D |
Post by Forcemaster2000 // May 7, 2007, 11:02am
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In the captains blog, Roman says it will be another DAY before the release of the gold version!!
Downloaders will be able to start getting it, (tentatively) Wednesday according to him. I bought the snail-mail version, so even if I were to download it, I won't have my registration key yet! :( I'm so sad! |
Post by Steinie // May 7, 2007, 11:35am
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ForceMaste2000, Even if you ordered snail mail don't you still get to download? |
Post by spyfrog // May 7, 2007, 11:44am
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Caligari, as I recall so was the previous release date set to the 7th.
Now you say "golden master" on the 8th and download on 9th.
This is more like release on the 9th, so why claim that it is the 8th?
No one will be able to get the software before the 9th if I have understood it correctly, so I believe that the 9th is what you should call release date.
Btw, if you continue to push the release date forward, the Visa card I used will expire.... :rolleyes:
Well, I suppose this is good for me actually. Now I will be able to study for my coastal yachtmaster diploma without disturbances.. |
Post by Burnart // May 7, 2007, 12:59pm
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The 9th? - west coast American time? To me that probaly means when I wake up on the 10th! Unfortunately I too am someone who hasn't got access to broadband for download so I am going to have pay another $25 -$30 US to get my "free" upgrade posted to me on a disk if the 7.1 experience is anything to go by. If Caligari is organised and they use decent airmail I might have it by the 17th to the 20th.... so far away!:( |
Post by nowherebrain // May 7, 2007, 2:02pm
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My impression:
it's buggy, or we would have it!...seriously, honest question ahead.
Is it really because of last minute bugs??? Or... Are there alternate issues..finishing up the manual, preping the server..ya know dinksboomps...
next question:
Can I have my manual now and 7.5 later...(no need to answer) |
Post by Improv // May 7, 2007, 5:19pm
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My impression:
it's buggy, or we would have it!...seriously, honest question ahead.
Is it really because of last minute bugs??? Or... Are there alternate issues..finishing up the manual, preping the server..ya know dinksboomps...
next question:
Can I have my manual now and 7.5 later...(no need to answer)
The delay is apparently caused by too many users asking too many last minute questions! (HINT, HINT, know what I mean?) :p |
Post by nowherebrain // May 7, 2007, 5:22pm
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I'm not here right now....:p |
Post by Improv // May 7, 2007, 8:15pm
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I'm not here right now....:p
For confirmation, please re-read your own nick (user-name)
Thank you for playing...:p |
Post by snewnham // May 7, 2007, 11:06pm
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I guess that depends on how you read it...
Now Here Brain
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Nowhere Brain
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No! Where Brain?
:p |
Post by Forcemaster2000 // May 8, 2007, 12:23am
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ForceMaste2000, Even if you ordered snail mail don't you still get to download?
Yes, I should be able to download, but wouldn't I need the registration key? That will probably only be coming with my snail-mail version :( |
Post by Matski007 // May 8, 2007, 12:43am
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what is Gold Master? I dont understand these terms, now im lost lol |
Post by Shike // May 8, 2007, 12:50am
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I believe GoldMaster is referring to the method when you had the final code you etched it on a gold disk used for stamping the CD's ? Not sure though.
Now I guess it's used as a name for "Final release code, changes will not be added" ? |
Post by nowherebrain // May 8, 2007, 1:17am
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I guess that depends on how you read it...
Now Here Brain
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Nowhere Brain
or
No! Where Brain?
:p
improv's got it right!!!!!:D ,watch my DOF tutorial you'll see... |
Post by Steinie // May 8, 2007, 1:22am
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what is Gold Master? I dont understand these terms, now im lost lol
You lock down the code for deployment. Any updates, patches, improvements will stem from this code. It a baseline. |
Post by Emmanuel // May 8, 2007, 1:39am
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My impression:
it's buggy, or we would have it!...seriously, honest question ahead.
Is it really because of last minute bugs??? Or... Are there alternate issues..finishing up the manual, preping the server..ya know dinksboomps...
When a Beta version is in Release Candidate stage, it becomes fully functional and testers can start to use it in professional work conditions. And under an intensive workflow or long working sessions, we discover some bugs that don't come in normal or hobby use.
It is better to wait one more day for a clean install than to have to apply a patch the week after, don't you think ? :) |
Post by brotherx // May 8, 2007, 1:50am
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You lock down the code for deployment. Any updates, patches, improvements will stem from this code. It a baseline.
Yeah, it comes from when CD-R's were gold in color and when they burned the final software to a CD for sending to a manufaturer for pressing them.
I remember going through this whole process about 12 years ago. CD-Rs were so ridiculously expensive (you can probably buy 2-300 for the price of a single disk these days) that you used them sparingly, usually only to produce the final version of the software for duplication. There was also the fact that it took about 80 minutes to burn a 650Mb CD and they failed a lot and the recorders cost in the region of 5-6000 GBP.
First the code would be frozen until it's compiled and packaged up into an installer and that can be a task in its own. This would then be burnt to a CD.
What typically happens then, depending on the quantity being produced, is the duplication company make a glass master based on the 'gold' CD which is used to press proper CDs. Glass masters are not cheap to make but the disks are very inexpensive and of higher quality than a CDR. They also look a lot more professional.
Smaller production runs sometimes use mass duplicators to burn to pre-printed disks. It is more cost effective for small runs (<2000) especially with the price of a CDR these days but they just don't look as nice.
I guess the term is a hang up from the early days of CDs. I suppose it's just like why they call a bug a bug. |
Post by Matski007 // May 8, 2007, 1:57am
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oic, I thought it was referring to some version of Truespace lol. Interesting, does this whole thing effect me if ive selected to download TS7? really wanna know when Ill be able to download |
Post by W!ZARD // May 8, 2007, 6:03am
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At the risk of further demonstrating my great age I have to say that I believe the "Gold Master" term dates from well before compact discs.
IIRC back in the days of 12 inch vinyl long playing phonograph records it was customary for the final mix from the studio tapes to be etched onto a gold master - literally a gold record. From this gold master the stamping dies were cast for the actual manufacture of the vinyl records themselves.
Should a recording be sufficiently popular - ie sell enough copies - to warrant a further pressing then a new gold master would be made. New stamping dies would be cast from this new gold master (the original stamps were customarily destroyed after the first print run for copyright and anti-piracy reasons I believe).
In such cases it became customary to present the original gold master records to the performing artists - hence the term gold record and derivative terms such as 'Solid Gold hits' and so on.
In terms of modern computer software I suspect that gold (the metal) plays very little part and the Gold Master refered to here is actually a finalised file incorporating all the bells and whistles in the form that the software will finally be released.
This is really no different in essence to creating a trueSpace scene and rendering repeated versions until it has reached a stage where it's fit for publishing - this final rendered image file would be your 'gold master' from which you would make your .jpgs for net publishing and PDF's for printing and so on.
The overall principles are the same. We have all been at the stage where we have a picture or animation file almost ready for publication but still requiring one or two minor tweaks to get it as close to 'right' as it can be. We have all also been in the situation of posting our work to the public knowing that it's pretty damn good but there is still things we could do further work on. It is often said that 'Great Works of Art are never completed, merely abandoned'.
I suggest these anologies are directly applicable to the release of a complex software application like trueSpace 7.5.
The term 'bug' is even older and comes from the early developmental days of the internal combustion engine when a bug - a literal insect - sucked into early versions of carburretors could bring the entire machine to a grinding halt.
/end History mode / resume anticipation mode.....;) ;) |
Post by brotherx // May 8, 2007, 6:15am
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Yeah, was curious about your description of Bug. I did some checking and yeah, it was used by engineers long before computers but the reason problems in software are called bugs is because a moth got caught in a relay in an early computer in the 1940's causing an error - I believe it was called Mark II. Also, the removing of the bug was called debugging... |
Post by Burisman // May 8, 2007, 6:16am
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I guess the term is a hang up from the early days of CDs. I suppose it's just like why they call a bug a bug.
And to add something to the suddenly interesting historic turn this thread has taken: the actual bug: ...;) Found in 1945, in a relay of the Mark II |
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