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Truespace 7.5, First Impressions?, Renders?
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Truespace 7.5, First Impressions?, Renders? // Roundtable
Post by RichLevy // May 8, 2007, 6:20am
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The term 'bug' is even older and comes from the early developmental days of the internal combustion engine when a bug - a literal insect - sucked into early versions of carburretors could bring the entire machine to a grinding halt.
/end History mode / resume anticipation mode.....;) ;)
"Bug" was first introduced into programming back in WWII when the first computers were all made from mechanical relays. Bugs getting caught in the relays would stop the relays from firing and cause incorrect data. Bugs in the code was derived from that point... these computers were used for tasks like calculating trajectories of weapons, or deciphering codes.
Interesting where commonly used terms like these come from, we rarely ever stop to consider why something is referred to in such a way or it's origin. Nice to read about gold records, I had heard that a long time ago, but had forgotten about it.
Rich
[edit] you must type faster than me Burisman :) |
Post by Burisman // May 8, 2007, 6:23am
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[edit] you must type faster than me Burisman :)
:p No Rich, I just started a fraction earlier ;) |
Post by Morgan // May 8, 2007, 6:35am
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Yeah, was curious about your description of Bug. I did some checking and yeah, it was used by engineers long before computers but the reason problems in software are called bugs is because a moth got caught in a relay in an early computer in the 1940's causing an error - I believe it was called Mark II. Also, the removing of the bug was called debugging...
Not precisely true; the documented event was under the eye of Admiral Grace Hopper, and there was a moth in the machine -- but her notes and description gave the impression that the term "bug" was already in use as a term for an error, as she was amused by there being a literal bug in the system. |
Post by brotherx // May 8, 2007, 6:45am
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I agree. It was the first time that has been credited with it being a bug in terms of software - I realise it was a hardware issue though but it was kinda like a software malfunction. I read a bit about Grace Hopper and she basically says that she never came up with bug as a software issue but does take credit for 'debug' which I think is fair enough.
Makes a nice story though.... |
Post by W!ZARD // May 8, 2007, 6:52am
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Anybody seen the movie "Brazil"? The entire sequence of events the movie portrays is the result of exactly this kind of bug - a fly in a typewriting machine leads to an error and the words Buttle and Tuttle get transposed with deadly and comical results - especially for Mister Buttle and Mister Tuttle!
Further to my comments on the origin of 'bug' as an engineering expression I seem to recall it was to do with Mercedes Benz and very early moter cars and racing teams. The would forgo the use of an effective aircleaner in favour of improved airflow to the carb but of course this allowed 'bugs' in to the machinery. |
Post by 3dvisuals dude // May 8, 2007, 8:17am
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Yeah, was curious about your description of Bug. I did some checking and yeah, it was used by engineers long before computers but the reason problems in software are called bugs is because a moth got caught in a relay in an early computer in the 1940's causing an error - I believe it was called Mark II. Also, the removing of the bug was called debugging...
Thanx for that info Brotherx, it's cool to know these things at last!
Of course we all know there won't be any real bugs flying into Caligari's State-Of-The-Art testing machines these days though, but my machine is another thing to contend with when 7.5 is released... here's a photo of my state-of-the-art desktop: |
Post by Solomon // May 8, 2007, 8:27am
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very interesting .. for a TS 7.5 first impression :)
bugs - gold -
which brings me to the next question - support for Directx 10 and OpenGL - and 64 bit and windows Vista .... any bugs reported yet? |
Post by TomG // May 8, 2007, 9:03am
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7.5 running fine on a DX10 card under Vista 32 bit. This is a low end DX10 too with the more limited memory (320Mb or whatever it is).
It doesnt use DX10, it's still a DX 9.0c real-time view. Which is probably just as well as not many people have DX 10 yet :)
No extra bugs were reported for Vista 64 for 7.11, so no extra bugs are expected for 7.5 under 64 bit either. Though we havent tested it (64 bit Vista is so badly supported in general that no-one wants to run it - I still have to do most of my work on my old XP machine due to some of the software I have just not working under Vista 32 bit).
Anyway, tS7.5 is the one program I always run under Vista on my DX10 card, it works just fine :)
HTH!
Tom |
Post by Improv // May 8, 2007, 9:04am
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"Bug" was first introduced into programming back in WWII when the first computers were all made from mechanical relays. Bugs getting caught in the relays would stop the relays from firing and cause incorrect data. Bugs in the code was derived from that point... these computers were used for tasks like calculating trajectories of weapons, or deciphering codes.
Interesting where commonly used terms like these come from, we rarely ever stop to consider why something is referred to in such a way or it's origin. Nice to read about gold records, I had heard that a long time ago, but had forgotten about it.
Rich
[edit] you must type faster than me Burisman :)
For more info on Admiral Grace Hopper and the moth bug:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grace_Hopper#Anecdotes |
Post by RichLevy // May 8, 2007, 2:12pm
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For more info on Admiral Grace Hopper and the moth bug:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grace_Hopper#Anecdotes
Nice link, I remember reading about her back in college (many, many years ago :D), unfortunately I could not remember her name when I wrote my message (that oldtimers disease lol). A nice little thread though, a little trip down memory lane.
Rich |
Post by nowherebrain // May 8, 2007, 3:01pm
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BTW:
The term "BUG" refers to illness...a tale as old as time...the question is, Who coined the phrase????? Besides mothers, midwives, and the good ol' Nanny.
the other question..
Are we there yet?
:jumpy: |
Post by Délé // May 8, 2007, 3:25pm
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Actually, you're all wrong, Al Gore coined the phrases "bug" and "debug" a while before he invented the internet. :p |
Post by nowherebrain // May 8, 2007, 3:49pm
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Actually, you're all wrong, Al Gore coined the phrases "bug" and "debug" a while before he invented the internet. :p
Ohhhhh. I forgot about that...:p (we needed to break the seriousness anyway) |
Post by weaveribm // May 8, 2007, 11:38pm
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This document must be a fake.
If it's contemporaneous why does the writer say 'First actual case...' which implies the writer was looking back, how would she know that but in retrospect? And it's the same hand, the same writing as if written during the same session...
Instead of 'First actual case...' it should say 'Note to self: order flypaper'
Or else it should be in different ink, different handwriting. Which implies that the whole document was created later. But then why does it look like a record of an earlier work session?
10:39 here :)
Peter
http://forums1.caligari.com/truespace/attachment.php?attachmentid=5796&stc=1&d=1178640943 |
Post by brotherx // May 8, 2007, 11:52pm
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This document must be a fake.
It might well be but they did tape the moth to a log of some kind - it mentioned that in wikipedia. Also, if you do look at it carefully there are several different writing styles. See the end of the section labelled 1000 and also the one labelled 1545, the word relay. They are both quite different in the way they have been written.
Could be wrong though. |
Post by nowherebrain // May 9, 2007, 12:59am
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Are we there yet? |
Post by jayr // May 9, 2007, 1:03am
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if you kids don't settle down i'm turning the car around and we're going home! ;) |
Post by brotherx // May 9, 2007, 1:05am
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:)
But seriously, are we nearly there yet? :D |
Post by weaveribm // May 9, 2007, 1:09am
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BONG midday in London someone must have 7.5 own up what's it like :)
Wonder when the NDA was lifted... screens please beta testers?
Peter |
Post by Steinie // May 9, 2007, 1:17am
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Roman stated last night that deployment would start around noon. Their located in California so we have some waiting to do. |
Post by brotherx // May 9, 2007, 1:20am
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I thought they weren't sending out the messages until this afternoon, which means around 10pm for us UK and Ireland folks.
It would be so sweet if they did it earlier...either way I won't get it until tomorrow at some point...unless they send them early, like 9am their time and that's still like 5 hours away.... |
Post by Improv // May 9, 2007, 6:56am
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I thought they weren't sending out the messages until this afternoon, which means around 10pm for us UK and Ireland folks.
It would be so sweet if they did it earlier...either way I won't get it until tomorrow at some point...unless they send them early, like 9am their time and that's still like 5 hours away....
Caligari being in California is on Pacific Standard Time which is -8 hours GMT normally. Right now they are on daylight saving time, which set the clocks one hour ahead, so now it's -7 hours GMT. (I think that's right) .
So if downloads start at 12:00 PM California time, that's 7:00pm in London, approx. |
Post by Steinie // May 9, 2007, 7:00am
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I'm looking at how many users are online now and kind of feel like a Piranha waiting for a nice pig to fall in!:D |
Post by Improv // May 9, 2007, 10:32am
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I'm looking at how many users are online now and kind of feel like a Piranha waiting for a nice pig to fall in!:D
Run Pepe! Run like the wind! Steinie's in pirana mode! :p |
Post by Solomon // May 9, 2007, 4:30pm
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so true people, has anyone received their copy yet?
screenshots please and renders :) |
Post by nowherebrain // May 9, 2007, 4:33pm
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Forum is dead, I have not received an e-mail..so far only 2much4u, you, and myself are on the forums...to my knowledge. |
Post by Jack Edwards // May 9, 2007, 4:57pm
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I'm back, got my sleep early. ;) Nope no e-mail yet. Guess I'll go play with the non-gold 7.5 some more. :p
-Jack. |
Post by wireframe // May 9, 2007, 9:11pm
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I have not receive any mail
And yet I can see the files in my Truespace download area but I can't download them :(
Phil |
Post by stoker // May 9, 2007, 9:15pm
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I have not receive any mail
And yet I can see the files in my Truespace download area but I can't download them :(
Phil
Got nothing in my download area although I guess i'll be at the bottom of caligari's list:( |
Post by brotherx // May 9, 2007, 9:16pm
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I don't even know how to get to the download area. And I've not had the email yet either...I guess they partied so hard they forgot to send them... |
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