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Personal feelings on Vista
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Personal feelings on Vista // Roundtable
Post by TomG // May 10, 2007, 5:49am
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I was asked this in another thread, as the issue of Vista maybe causing voice crashes in truePlay came up.
All comments here are from a personal viewpoint and not a statement from Caligari - just me, as a regular guy using Vista.
One is that it is a very nice OS. It looks good, works well, has lots of nice little features that I like. I like the looks, the search features, the complete ease with which it installed without the need for CD drivers or RAID drivers on floppy, the ways to get to things, the new event logs, the "rate the power of your PC" feature, improved start up times, better handling of crashes and exceptions, etc. It just "feels nicer" to use.
The main issue with Vista is software that is not compatible with it. That's not Vista's fault or failing of course. It does make a lot of problems though in general workflow. Due to some software that doesnt work (the company said they'd make it compatible in Q2 2007, so get a move on already, time is nearly up - hey, my time to say that about deadlines!) I still do 90% of my business on XP, on my other machine. Annoying that I have this new machine, but have to do most of my work on the other one.
So while not a problem with Vista itself, it is a problem you will encounter when using Vista, and yes, it can be very crippling. Right now my Vista machine is mainly just used to run tS7.5 on.
There is one issue left that is with Vista, and that's the nannying it does for you. The UAC stuff is very annoying. If I turn it off, some programs just don't install properly. Turn it on, and every time I want to run something, Vista darkens the window, freezes everything, and pops up a dialog "This program wants to run! Did you ask for that? Are you sure? Really? You are sure you know what this program is? Yes I know you've run it 127 times in the last three weeks because you use it for work, but are you really sure its the same program, I mean it might be something different?"
Just run the program already. At least let me specify which programs you don't do the dialog box for, Vista.
That makes the UAC into "can't live without it, and can live with it but boy is it annoying". Like a firewall that never learns what programs are safe and always asks if you want to allow it permission.
This extends into some files that I just can't delete. Vista seems extra protective of things on the C:\ drive and limits yours (and programs) access to it. No amount of setting permissions seems to clear that up, Vista still wants to tell me what I can and can't control on my C:\ drive.
Being a tech head, I am of the mind that I should be allowed to do whatever I want, and if it messes things up, well hey that's my bad. Of course I think that protection is really to stop viruses, or hijacked log ins, from doing things.
I can live with that though, it's annoying, but maybe it does offer some extra protection, in which case it could be worth it.
And if that one program would just start running in Vista, then I could start doing most of my work on this machine. If you too are dependent on certain programs, then you too could find Vista unusable as a result. That to me is the real big issue with Vista - you best check what programs you plan on using first before you make the move.
HTH!
Tom |
Post by frootee // May 10, 2007, 6:28am
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Gee Tom, sounds like Windows Vista is more like,
Windows Gestapo
or
Windows Gulag
think I'll wait awhile for that one. |
Post by Forcemaster2000 // May 10, 2007, 6:41am
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Problem is, Microsoft has just incorporated into Vista what everyone was complaining about XP. All the press has had to say for the last two years is about how unprotected and vulnerable XP is. So they've really tightened down the screws and nobody is happy about that either.
By about the time a year has passed from Vista's roll-out, hopefully Microsoft will have come up with a happy medium that we can all be happy with.:cool: |
Post by scapino // May 10, 2007, 6:47am
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I dont get the UAC prompt on ANY of my installed programs. (You get it when you install, but not after.)
One trick I've found is you should install ALL of your apps as Administrator.
Dont use autorun. Just open you cd/dvd with the install on it, and RIGHT click the setup.exe, and select run as adimstrator.
I've done this for all the apps I've installed (including TS7.11) and I never get the UAC prompt when I run them.
I think the problem most people are running into is that the normal, 1 user account is NOT a "real" full fledged admin, just a sort of super-user.
To get a full admin, you have to activate its availabilty through the cmd prompt. (Or easier, do as I said and use "run as administrator" on your installs.)
Kurt |
Post by ed_baker // May 10, 2007, 6:49am
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Thanks Tom for your response.
That really goes the distance in answering my question. I have a new laptop in the works (another reason why I couldn't get Vray :( ), and was wondering if I should get Vista or stick with XP Pro. It looks more and more like I will stick with XP Pro since it will be at the very least a couple of years before it gets dropped.
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Post by scapino // May 10, 2007, 1:44pm
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Just got my copy of 7.5 installed.
There is a trick to this as well.
Install as admin is good. But the first time you run the installled program(ts7.exe), if you do NOT run it as admin, you'll get an error (kernal failed to intitialize), and it quits.
If you run ts7.exe the first time as admin, then it will load and run fine.
From then on, you can run it as a normal user, and it will run fine.
If you use the run as admin checkbox in properties, you will get the UAC prompt always, so DONT set the properties to run as admin.
Once you get past the first run, you run it normally, and you dont get a UAC prompt.
Kurt |
Post by nowherebrain // May 10, 2007, 2:10pm
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I am going to ride XP as long as possible, Microshaft is one evil money gobbling organization. They are criminals, as are those who work for them. |
Post by dononeton // May 10, 2007, 4:15pm
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Microshaft
Thants funny! :)
I am also going to ride out XP. TrueSpace 7.5 and Photoshop CS2 works fine on it. Anyone can see my renders on Vista,so whats the point? Any game I make (using DarkBasic Pro) should work. You just dont get the DX 10 improvements. Anyway if I do go to Vista will my copy of TrueSpace work on it? |
Post by brotherx // May 10, 2007, 8:51pm
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Guys,
I upgraded to vista about 2 months ago and haven't looked back. It's a bit more punchy, it looks better and more slick and for the most part everything works.
Don't rule it out. I'll let you know what I think when I get to try TS7.5 on it.
I can say that TS6.6 worked mostly with the odd crash but usually when you close. It seems to be a common thing with old apps and vista. |
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