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RC Fan Car // Work in Progress
Post by W!ZARD // Jul 11, 2006, 1:25am
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I am not really sure what to make of that....is it because of your previous experiences with stoker regarding pc's ;):D - i say no more
Maintenance is not a problem, baring in mind I have had my hands inside computers from the age of 13ish, the problem is getting the new bits fast enough (and cheaply enough) - i have a feelling i am going to have to blow lots of £££ on a new mobo and cpu:(
Bummer! Is that why your bubble monster is in the dark? Hope you get it sorted without having to break the bank or (gasp!) lose valuable data! |
Post by hemulin // Jul 11, 2006, 1:27am
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Bummer! Is that why your bubble monster is in the dark? Hope you get it sorted without having to break the bank or (gasp!) lose valuable data!
Thanks, fortunately as soon as I smelt something a bit 'off' I wripped out the hdd that had all valuable data on. As a temporary measure I could always desimate another of my computers to get to the data - actually thinking about it....i have an external hdd caddy.....der |
Post by Alien // Jul 11, 2006, 4:59am
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Hemulin: Sorry to hear about your probs, as has been said in another thread, there seems to be a lot of it going around. :( |
Post by hemulin // Jul 11, 2006, 5:55am
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Hemulin: Sorry to hear about your probs, as has been said in another thread, there seems to be a lot of it going around. :(
Thanks, I have just set up my old shoddy computer (its a celeron:o 533) so its not going to be able to run tS very well, however ill try it. I am going on holiday at the end of this week for two weeks so I will order replacement parts when I come back, a well, at least its an excuse to upgrade:rolleyes: earlier than expected. |
Post by Alien // Jul 11, 2006, 9:54am
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Thanks, I have just set up my old shoddy computer (its a celeron:o 533) so its not going to be able to run tS very well, however ill try it.
Ouch! Still, at least you can still use the net. Not sure if tS7 will be useable on it though.
I am going on holiday at the end of this week for two weeks so I will order replacement parts when I come back, a well, at least its an excuse to upgrade:rolleyes: earlier than expected.
There is that side to it, though if you get forced to upgrade at a time when you haven't got the money for what you'd planned to get, you end up with less than what you'd hoped for [like with me & my HDD]. |
Post by hemulin // Jul 11, 2006, 9:58am
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Ouch! Still, at least you can still use the net. Not sure if tS7 will be useable on it though.
Fortunately internet is on a completely different pc at the other end of the house, I have installed tS on it although I haven't installed simbiontS so most of the shaders in my scene won't work.
There is that side to it, though if you get forced to upgrade at a time when you haven't got the money for what you'd planned to get, you end up with less than what you'd hoped for [like with me & my HDD].
Hmm, well fortunately I have a sort of savings account that I can delve into, as long as I put it back:o |
Post by Alien // Jul 11, 2006, 10:02am
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Hmm, well fortunately I have a sort of savings account that I can delve into, as long as I put it back:o
Ha! It's alright for some! ;) I've really hoping nothing else goes wrong on my PC anytime soon, as I need to pay off enough of my credit card so I can afford my proTeam renewal which is coming up soon. |
Post by hemulin // Jul 11, 2006, 10:50am
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Ha! It's alright for some! ;) I've really hoping nothing else goes wrong on my PC anytime soon, as I need to pay off enough of my credit card so I can afford my proTeam renewal which is coming up soon.
You've got to try and scavenge computer parts and then eventually you'll have a few spare hdd's, fortunately I don't have any problem with hdd, as in my current (dead) system I have 4. |
Post by Alien // Jul 11, 2006, 11:05am
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You've got to try and scavenge computer parts and then eventually you'll have a few spare hdd's, fortunately I don't have any problem with hdd, as in my current (dead) system I have 4.
I have a total of 3 drives that work ATM, the 2 installed are the new Samsung 80GB & the WD 40GB. I haven't gotten round to putting the WD 12GB back in yet.
As for reliability, I eventually hope to end up with a RAID 1 array, but that means getting a second 1 of whichever drive I'm wanting to back up. |
Post by hemulin // Jul 11, 2006, 11:19am
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I have a total of 3 drives that work ATM, the 2 installed are the new Samsung 80GB & the WD 40GB. I haven't gotten round to putting the WD 12GB back in yet.
As for reliability, I eventually hope to end up with a RAID 1 array, but that means getting a second 1 of whichever drive I'm wanting to back up.
I have a 60gb - random brand, an 80gb, random brand and two 80gb western digitals in raid 0. |
Post by Alien // Jul 11, 2006, 11:37am
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I have a 60gb - random brand, an 80gb, random brand and two 80gb western digitals in raid 0.
I must admit the idea of potential performance increase with RAID 0 is tempting, but it also doubles the risk of losing your data. If I had the money, I might do RAID 0+1, but that gets expensive. |
Post by hemulin // Jul 11, 2006, 11:50pm
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I must admit the idea of potential performance increase with RAID 0 is tempting, but it also doubles the risk of losing your data. If I had the money, I might do RAID 0+1, but that gets expensive.
I backup any valuable data regularly onto an external hdd and then cd eventually (I haven't got to dvd's yet), however it is useful to have RAID 0 because you effectively get double the transfer rate because of the fact that the data is being written in alternate bits across the two hdd's, which is useful for anything temporary: swap files, scratch disks, etc... |
Post by Alien // Jul 12, 2006, 12:56am
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I backup any valuable data regularly onto an external hdd and then cd eventually (I haven't got to dvd's yet),
Yeah, I should probably get into the habit of backing up. :o As for DVDRWs - LiteOn drives can usually be had pretty cheaply, & I've been quite pleased with LiteOn drives in general. I'd avoid Samsung though. I had 1 & wouldn't recommend it to anyone else.
however it is useful to have RAID 0 because you effectively get double the transfer rate because of the fact that the data is being written in alternate bits across the two hdd's, which is useful for anything temporary: swap files, scratch disks, etc...
I am aware of the potential benefits, but for me they don't outweigh the potential risk. When using 2 seperate, non-RAID 0 drives, or a RAID 1 [or 0+1] array, if 1 drive fails you only lose what's on that drive [or nothing in the case of RAID 1 & 0+1], but with RAID 0 if 1 drive fails you lose the lot.
If you only want the speed increase for temporary stuff like swap files, scratch disks, etc, then there are other options. The simplest [& cheapest, as you already have several HDDs] is to have the drive with the temp stuff on a different channel [assuming you're using IDE], & put it in a partition at the beginning of the drive. That might not be quite as good [performance-wise] as RAID 0 though.
Another option is to get 1 of those i-RAM (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/SATARAID_Cards.html) doohickeys. Admittedly, if you haven't already got some spare DDR lying around then it would work out more expensive than RAID-0, but then you could turn your RAID 0 array into a RAID 1 array, & you'd have the speed for your temporary stuff, as well as redundacy for more important stuff. |
Post by hemulin // Jul 12, 2006, 1:18am
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Yeah, I should probably get into the habit of backing up. :o As for DVDRWs - LiteOn drives can usually be had pretty cheaply, & I've been quite pleased with LiteOn drives in general. I'd avoid Samsung though. I had 1 & wouldn't recommend it to anyone else.Yeah, i think i'll be getting a LG one when I order everything else.
I am aware of the potential benefits, but for me they don't outweigh the potential risk. When using 2 seperate, non-RAID 0 drives, or a RAID 1 [or 0+1] array, if 1 drive fails you only lose what's on that drive [or nothing in the case of RAID 1 & 0+1], but with RAID 0 if 1 drive fails you lose the lot.I can see your point however atm I don't see any point in me mirroring any of my drives, after all, drive faliures are very rare when you buy decent quality stuff. |
Post by Alien // Jul 12, 2006, 1:35am
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I can see your point however atm I don't see any point in me mirroring any of my drives, after all, drive faliures are very rare when you buy decent quality stuff.
Yeah, that's why I was a bit miffed at having to get a cheapo Samsung instead of the WD I would have got if I could have waited. I guess I've just been unlucky with my choices. IBM used to have a good rep [a few years ago], back when I bought mine. Same goes for Maxtor, though admittedly there are still plenty of people that favour them, & mine had been running pretty-much 24/7 for over 3 years, so... http://homepage.ntlworld.com/alien42/smilies/dunno.gif |
Post by hemulin // Jul 12, 2006, 1:42am
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Yeah, that's why I was a bit miffed at having to get a cheapo Samsung instead of the WD I would have got if I could have waited. I guess I've just been unlucky with my choices. IBM used to have a good rep [a few years ago], back when I bought mine. Same goes for Maxtor, though admittedly there are still plenty of people that favour them, & mine had been running pretty-much 24/7 for over 3 years, so... http://homepage.ntlworld.com/alien42/smilies/dunno.gif
Yeah, I couldn't have my machine running 24/7, it's in my bedroom and it generates too much heat, because of the overclocked cpu, mem, and gfx. All of the components are cooled perfectly and I doubt very mcuh this was the cause of the failure however my computer did kick out a lot of heat, and especially in summer. |
Post by Alien // Jul 12, 2006, 5:43am
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Yeah, I couldn't have my machine running 24/7, it's in my bedroom and it generates too much heat, because of the overclocked cpu, mem, and gfx. All of the components are cooled perfectly and I doubt very mcuh this was the cause of the failure however my computer did kick out a lot of heat, and especially in summer.
I haven't got anything in my machine overclocked. I had considered overclocking my new gfx card, but after feeling how much heat it was putting out, and the fact that the outflow from its cooler points straight at the back of my new SATA drive, I decided against it. 1 of the few drawbacks with my case is that the main HDD cage is mounted sideways. In a wider case this wouldn't be a problem, but it means that I can't fit a standard SATA lead [came with mobo, can't afford 1 with a right-angled connector on it until Sunday] in a drive in that cage & be able to put the side of the case on. That only leaves 1 3.5" bay under the FDD, which puts it directly in the path of the exhaust of my X800's cooler.
As for heating up the room - I guess my system does contribute to that a bit, but I also had 2 CRTs kicking out heat as well, though I've already replaced 1 with an LCD. My flat did get bloody hot in the summer, but now I have an air conditioner it's not so bad. It does tend to guzzle a fair bit of electricity, but it's worth it. http://homepage.ntlworld.com/alien42/smilies/nosweat.gif |
Post by Steinie // Jul 12, 2006, 6:03am
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Wasn't this thread about cars?
Save your money on computer cases and put it into graphics boards or TrueSpace....
Heck overclock your mobo and heat your apartment with it!
Ask your kids for their toys....
Ask your wife for her shoe boxes....
explanation below
http://forums.kustompcs.co.uk/showthread.php?t=25676
All things I had considered when I was young and BROKE!
:D
My gosh 4 hardrives in a chasis, no wonder you guys have problems, bigger draw on your power supply....pifffff
More heat generated within....electronic circuits...pooof
Bigger heat sinks, more fans, more cd/dvd burner players, multi-core cpu's, less room inside chasis, less air, less money....
p.s. I'm jealous! |
Post by Alien // Jul 12, 2006, 8:06am
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Wasn't this thread about cars?
Yeah, but then Hemulin's PC died.
Save your money on computer cases and put it into graphics boards or TrueSpace....
Heck overclock your mobo and heat your apartment with it!
Ask your kids for their toys....
Ask your wife for her shoe boxes....
explanation below
http://forums.kustompcs.co.uk/showthread.php?t=25676
All things I had considered when I was young and BROKE!
:D
LOL, yeah, doing that sort of thing can be fun, but it's so much more hassle than using purpose made stuff.
My gosh 4 hardrives in a chasis, no wonder you guys have problems, bigger draw on your power supply....pifffff
Not really a problem unless you try using either a cheap &/or under-powered PSU.
More heat generated within....electronic circuits...pooof
Bigger heat sinks, more fans, more cd/dvd burner players, dual cpu's, less room inside chasis, less air, less money....
p.s. I'm jealous!
As am I, of those with parts that I have yet to get. Heat's not that big a problem, as long as you've got decent airflow going through your system. I have a pair of 120mm fans, 1 in the front, & 1 in the rear, plus the heat that the PSU gets rid of. |
Post by hemulin // Jul 12, 2006, 9:29am
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Yeah, but then Hemulin's PC died.The thread will get back to the RC Fan Car when I have a pc that is capable of running tS7, and that will be in about 3 weeks, depending on when my stuff arrives. |
Post by hemulin // Jul 13, 2006, 10:21am
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Here is my most recent image, it has not changed much, as it has only been this evening that I have got a computer running tS7.
This may be the last image I do for about 2 weeks, however I might submit one tomorrow, depends if I have time.
I know there are some mistakes like part of a screw is sticking out of the black box thing and also the chassis texture is wrong.
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i218/the-hemulin/car15small.jpg (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i218/the-hemulin/car15.jpg)
Click on image for larger version |
Post by stoker // Jul 14, 2006, 5:20am
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Nice Work hemulin...............Nice to know you have a PC to work on again;) |
Post by hemulin // Jul 14, 2006, 7:44am
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Nice Work hemulin...............Nice to know you have a PC to work on again;)
Cheers Stoker, it still chugs a bit in wireframe, high(ish) poly count I suppose |
Post by hemulin // Aug 5, 2006, 3:11am
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OK guys, I now have my new PC up and running and I can now carry on with my RC Fan Car properly, here is the latest render:
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i218/the-hemulin/car25small.jpg (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i218/the-hemulin/car25.jpg)
[Click on image for larger version]
I think I have nearly finished the modelling stage of things now, there is something really wrong with the lighting that I need to fix (aside from the fact that the sample is too low - that is just for rendering speed) I hope to have some decent quality renders up soon, I think I am just in the tweeking stagfe now.
Oh and the wheel bumps will be added back in for my final renders. |
Post by stoker // Aug 5, 2006, 4:13am
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Looks Good:jumpy:
Are you actualy doing these renders for something or just because your board? |
Post by skipper // Aug 5, 2006, 4:48am
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All the propeller needs is a cage and you have a street version of swamp boat. :D |
Post by hemulin // Aug 5, 2006, 5:16am
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All the propeller needs is a cage and you have a street version of swamp boat. :D
Yeah, might do that, I will probably add headlights once I have got the lighting how i want.
Looks Good:jumpy:
Are you actualy doing these renders for something or just because your board?
Thanks, planning on buying the rights to the scene? ;) No not really, just because I need something to get my skill up to scratch, I still haven't got into UV mapping yet and that is something I need to do. |
Post by Wigand // Aug 5, 2006, 5:29am
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Excuse me for asking. But I am a bit worried about your propeller.
From these view, it seemes that the motor is to close to the ground or
the propeller is to long. Did you test it in vertical position? |
Post by skipper // Aug 5, 2006, 5:40am
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... I still haven't got into UV mapping yet and that is something I need to do.
That statement just killed me. That's exactly what I'm trying to figure out, and I'm nowhere near your skill level. :D
And there I was hoping that you knew how to do this. Thanks for making me feel better.
If we all try this together, we might actually figure it out without loosing too much hair.
Wigand: Good point about the prop, from this POV it might actually flip the car or explode into a thousand pieces. I see someone actually pays attention around here. |
Post by hemulin // Aug 5, 2006, 5:49am
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That statement just killed me.Oh dear!
And there I was hoping that you knew how to do this. Thanks for making me feel better.Oh believe me, there's a lot I don't know.
If we all try this together, we might actually figure it out without loosing too much hair.Yeah, you don't seem to have actually posted any wip UV mapped images. At the moment I am fortunate in the way that I don't necessarily need to UV map anything at the moment, however my next project (hopefully) will be primarily based around that.
Wigand: Good point about the prop, from this POV it might actually flip the car or explode into a thousand pieces. I see someone actually pays attention around here.I like the exploding idea, however you are both quite right, thanks. The prop is too big and need scaling down or this car won't go far (at least not in one piece). |
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