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Vray documentation // Roundtable
Post by Leif // May 19, 2007, 11:31pm
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Are there anyone else that find the render on page 2 disturbing?
For me it is a put off.
(It is the same image as the left one in this (http://forums1.caligari.com/truespace/attachment.php?attachmentid=5475&d=1176953463) image.)
Tech support asked me to ask in forum. |
Post by W!ZARD // May 20, 2007, 1:02am
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It's a picture - a pattern of colours, same as any other picture. The pattern can only be disturbing if you make disturbing associations in your own mind.
It does not make 'disturbing' associations for me - quite the opposite, it intrigues me. What is it? Is it abstract or representative and if the latter what is it representative of? It reminds me a little of what is left behind when an insect sheds it's skin. Is that what the artist was aiming for or was he/she trying to say something else entirely? Also of interest; how was it made?
What was the artist trying to say? Art is about communication and if you find it's communication raises disturbing associations and responses within you that just makes it effective art - assuming it was intended to create disturbing associations that is.
For me it's meaning is ambiguous - this in itself is enough to make it interesting - for me anyway. How others respond to it is their choice.
Hth |
Post by parva // May 20, 2007, 1:30am
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*lol* :D where the problem with the picture?
it was a simple shader test. Don't wanted to use just spheres and boxes and so I took a fractal object from Xenodream (http://www.xenodream.com/index.html)... |
Post by TheWickedWitchOfTheWeb // May 20, 2007, 1:34am
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Disturbing? Crikey, no. I have no idea what it is meant to be (if anything) but that doesn't matter, I like it. It made me think of caremelised sugar or a heavily weathered sea shell. Different to W!ZARDS's thoughts so I guess it's down to the individuals perceptions. If you find it disturbing maybe it says more about your thought processes than the actual picture!
For what it's worth, I think the picture on the right of the link you gave is far more disturbing! :-) |
Post by W!ZARD // May 20, 2007, 2:18am
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*lol* :D where the problem with the picture?
it was a simple shader test. Don't wanted to use just spheres and boxes and so I took a fractal object from Xenodream (http://www.xenodream.com/index.html)...
What!? You mean it's not all deep and meaningful?!
For what it's worth, I think the picture on the right of the link you gave is far more disturbing! :-) LOL - Yeah I thought that too but was not brave enough to say so! |
Post by JPSofCA // May 20, 2007, 6:34am
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It made me think of caremelised sugar or a heavily weathered sea shell.
Ditto on the carmelized sugar! :D |
Post by parva // May 20, 2007, 7:10am
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What!? You mean it's not all deep and meaningful?!
:D maybe,... maybe not :)
btw. we played a bit around on the german ts forum - link (http://forum.3dspace.de/thread.php?threadid=91&sid=15708bd9b669c8319215b90675cc2888) |
Post by rrf // May 20, 2007, 7:10am
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The world is a mere reflection of what is inside of you (or something like that....)
rf |
Post by rrf // May 20, 2007, 7:12am
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Parva,
Cool pic - Aliens eat your brain :D
rf
(Xenodream - wish I could afford it, but spent all my money on 7.5 :) ) |
Post by rj0 // May 20, 2007, 7:20am
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*lol* :D where the problem with the picture?
it was a simple shader test. Don't wanted to use just spheres and boxes and so I took a fractal object from Xenodream (http://www.xenodream.com/index.html)...
Quite a picture (whatever one makes of it -)! Nice shader test!
But, (wow) ... how many polys/tris in the model (must have been a lot!)?
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Post by parva // May 20, 2007, 7:36am
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But, (wow) ... how many polys/tris in the model (must have been a lot!)?
the model I used for the trueSpace test... not much.
Diatom1 - 121.134 faces |
Post by splinters // May 20, 2007, 8:36am
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I find the right image disturbing...but then I would...:D
Yes, I also think it is technically good but a bit creepy...:o |
Post by e-graffiti // May 20, 2007, 10:48am
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I like the image because it is a beautiful organic shape that reminds me of some sort of cocoon or larva remains. I look at it and wonder "what hatched from this?" or "what life did this contain?" |
Post by Ambrose // May 20, 2007, 11:50am
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It's a cool pic a bit alien.
How on earth can it be disturbing or anything, or you're refuring to the eggs now?
That can give the most creepy thoughts...
SeYa/Ambrose... |
Post by Improv // May 20, 2007, 12:01pm
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Are there anyone else that find the render on page 2 disturbing?
For me it is a put off.
(It is the same image as the left one in this (http://forums1.caligari.com/truespace/attachment.php?attachmentid=5475&d=1176953463) image.)
Tech support asked me to ask in forum.
Which picture? Link please? |
Post by splinters // May 20, 2007, 12:06pm
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Link is in the first post of the thread...:D |
Post by Improv // May 20, 2007, 1:48pm
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Link is in the first post of the thread...:D
Thanks, I see the link now. They should make the links bright red for those myopic creatures amongst us-like me! :o |
Post by Improv // May 20, 2007, 1:51pm
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Disturbing? Crikey, no. I have no idea what it is meant to be (if anything) but that doesn't matter, I like it. It made me think of caremelised sugar or a heavily weathered sea shell. Different to W!ZARDS's thoughts so I guess it's down to the individuals perceptions. If you find it disturbing maybe it says more about your thought processes than the actual picture!
If gold could corrode or rust in it's own unique way, that's what it would look like.
Disturbing? Nope! I find commercials on tv far more disturbing than that image! :rolleyes:
As for the pic on the right, I can't comment at this time. Interpol has sworn me to secrecy. Something to do with the Eiger Sanction, or so they claim?
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Post by Paul Boland // May 22, 2007, 8:37am
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It looks like a corroded spiral shell, one of those you hold to your ear to hear the sea.
Did you know...
The sound of the sea you hear when you hold one of those spiral shells to your ear is actually the bounced back sound of blood rushing through your ear!!!
That kind of grossed me out when I learned it! |
Post by EyeInStein // May 22, 2007, 9:02am
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lol...first time I looked at the pic, I also wondered why they chose what appears to be the skin molted by an insect as their example for Vray... |
Post by parva // May 22, 2007, 9:06am
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Did you know...
The sound of the sea you hear when you hold one of those spiral shells to your ear is actually the bounced back sound of blood rushing through your ear!!!
That kind of grossed me out when I learned it!
Yes I often hear my blood pressure without any help instrument :D
Sound like the niagara falls ^^
topic related: it's interesting what people see in those "abstract" pictures :)
I think we need a special gallery for this :D there abstract art isn't in everyone liking (btw. me too,... I'm often scared if I see those pictures, selled at auctions for millions which shows just... "color splotches", and think "hey, you can paint that also but don't get so much money"). |
Post by Steinie // May 22, 2007, 9:31am
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Did you watch the video "Saul" made in "Show Us Your Room" ? It was composed of a lot of Parva type stuff...THAT was disturbing!:D |
Post by trueBlue // May 22, 2007, 9:37am
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I first thing that picture reminded me of was the movie "Alien". In trueSpace7.5, no one can hear you scream! I still get goose bumps to this day with these thoughts in my mind. |
Post by frootee // May 22, 2007, 9:43am
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Did you know...
The sound of the sea you hear when you hold one of those spiral shells to your ear is actually the bounced back sound of blood rushing through your ear!!!
That kind of grossed me out when I learned it!
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WHAT? Aw man. Better call the president... No Wonder Intel isn't working!
Seriously though. The pic did remind me of a shell of a bug, similar to a locust. Procedural huh? Hm... 3D fractals. That would be a cool plugin!
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Post by weaveribm // May 22, 2007, 12:35pm
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The sound of the sea you hear when you hold one of those spiral shells to your ear is actually the bounced back sound of blood rushing through your ear!!!
No it isn't.
A seashell selectively 'amplifies' a band of audio wavelengths (sea crashing, wind, ice-cream wagon, general beach noise) and smaller shells selectively amplify only a band of audio wavelengths that 'fit' the shape of the shell, a higher note associated with a smaller shell and a lower note with a larger shell, think conch and then Alpine horn. Topogically equivalent.
A shell or any volume-enclosing-shape - with a hole so the sound gets out - acts as a resonator, a Helmholtz resonator: guitar bodies and so on. The shell 'produces' the sound of the sea even if no one is listening. Stick a microphone in there and the same sound is recorded, mikes have no blood vessels
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Post by W!ZARD // May 24, 2007, 12:56am
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The sound of the sea you hear when you hold one of those spiral shells to your ear is actually the bounced back sound of blood rushing through your ear!!!
No it isn't.
A seashell selectively 'amplifies' a band of audio wavelengths (sea crashing, wind, ice-cream wagon, general beach noise) and smaller shells selectively amplify only a band of audio wavelengths that 'fit' the shape of the shell, a higher note associated with a smaller shell and a lower note with a larger shell, think conch and then Alpine horn. Topogically equivalent.
A shell or any volume-enclosing-shape - with a hole so the sound gets out - acts as a resonator, a Helmholtz resonator: guitar bodies and so on. The shell 'produces' the sound of the sea even if no one is listening. Stick a microphone in there and the same sound is recorded, mikes have no blood vessels
Peter
You get the same effect in certain buildings too. I've been in the central dome of the Taj Mahal in Agra, India, where the shape of the marble dome amplifies the tiniest sounds which echo back on each other. Being in there is not unlike being inside a giant shell! Astonishing acoustics. |
Post by Paul Boland // May 24, 2007, 8:08am
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Umm... Can't recall where I read this about the sound in a sea-shell. It was some time ago. Let me see if I can dig it out and see what it says...
I'll be back ;)... |
Post by weaveribm // May 24, 2007, 8:44am
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My interest in the seashell thing is because I have Meniere's Syndrome and one audio-detector has been fairly trampled. I do hear the continuous shirring sound of the sea in the acoustic horn that forms the input stage to the stirrup and anvil and wotnot - that would be the blood vessels thing Paul. Any randomised noise sounds like the sea because we have Helmholtz's seashells for ears if you consider the cavity in which the sounds of the world collect prior to being passed deeper into the central nervous system for processing. Ironically much of my work and study is on audio processing and signal processing generally
Look up Helmholtz resonator hope it's spelled right and that explains the seashell and the guitar. Not the bagpipes which are soft-bodied animals
During WW2 in England we built huge acoustic horns to listen for German aircraft engines incoming, using this Helmholtz resonance principle. The huge concrete horns on the south coast are still there lying on the beach like Brobdignagian seashells imagine the racket :)
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Post by Burisman // May 24, 2007, 8:54am
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Your interesting discussion about the Helmholtz resonator sparked a search that yields some magnificent objects that would be fun to try one's TS skills on. ;)
Found at: http://physics.kenyon.edu/EarlyApparatus/Rudolf_Koenig_Apparatus/Helmholtz_Resonator/Helmholtz_Resonator.html |
Post by weaveribm // May 24, 2007, 10:06am
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Nice resonators is it legal to say that :)
It was the image in here of a shell-like object that caught my eye vrayed all lace and alien angles, the er, those tiny wotsits ah diatoms yes that are made out of pure silicon. The hard bits anyway :)
Sparked
Early Morse code equipment and Baron Frankenstein's massive 4 million volts knife switch with those image lights crikey we're coming over all Gothic but that century of marvels had some good kit for inspiring modellers :)
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