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Loosening up
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Loosening up // Roundtable
Post by Burnart // Jun 19, 2007, 4:44pm
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In the "What does Steinie think of my work?" thread there was mention of stiffness of figure posing. I was reflecting on just that topic a few days ago while I was looking at a book where the figures seemed very relaxed and the basic stance placement etc seemed well observed giving the images a really engaging look. The book was of Calvin and Hobbes comics! - no kidding, have a look at the poses he applies to Calvins parents and the baby sitter. No wonder Bill Waterson was so successful a lot of the story is in the poses and their capacity to convey the characters current attitude. Really impressive stuff thats as relevent to cartoonists as it is to realists.
So what are other people finding inspirational at the moment? |
Post by W!ZARD // Jun 19, 2007, 9:45pm
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Calvin and Hobbes? Two of the worlds greatest philosophers IMO. I'm a huge fan.
Inspirational - for art in general; Roger Dean, Frank Frazetta are great examples of how to get dynamism into shape and form - and not just of characters either.
Other inspirational sources - Russian fairytale art, I remember it from years ago but wouldn't know how to obtain examples now - but the stuff I'm thinking of contained an almost super-real aspect that still inspires me today.
Other inspirational sources - comic art, particularly 2000ad; ABC warriors, Rogue Trooper, Judge Dredd etc.
Other inspirational sources - Renderosity.com - scrape away the layers of adolescent mammary fixated poserbabes and there is a wealth of inspiring artists in there whose artistic vision and ability is something I can only aspire towards. Favs include Hobbit, Rochr, Mark Hirst but there's hundreds more.
Other inspirational sources - the Caligari forums and galleries :D . The support and insight and inspiration I get from the folk here is invaluable.
Other inspirational sources relating specifically to 'loosening up' character posing - reference photos - sporting photos are good. And finally, the pause button on a DVD player (particularly one in your PC where you can grab a Printscreen) offers an essentially unlimited source of pose references.
Hope this helps....
PS - Excellent topic Burnart |
Post by Steinie // Jun 20, 2007, 1:23am
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Frank Thomas, Frank Frazetta, Gary Larson, Mort Drucker, Don Martin, Johnny Hart, Eric Goldberg, Chuck Jones all cream of the crop. |
Post by jayr // Jun 20, 2007, 1:36am
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Roger Dean? was it him who did most of the Yes Album covers?
Alan Lee (i love his moody artwork), The late, great Angus McBride (brilliant historical illustrator, familiar to anyone who has looked through the Osprey books). |
Post by rrf // Jun 20, 2007, 2:54am
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Jack Kirby, for a study in how a style evolves over many years of work (from pretty bad - to dynamically outstanding) |
Post by rrf // Jun 20, 2007, 3:04am
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And for you younger folks, look up JC Coll, a little hard to 'read' sometimes, he was so dynamic and loose |
Post by jayr // Jun 20, 2007, 3:11am
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Forgot to add Jean Giraud Moebius to that list too, theres just something to his work i love. |
Post by Steinie // Jun 20, 2007, 3:51am
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If you want to stay on top in the Animation scene....
http://www.animwatch.com/Featured.php
I agree about Moebius! In film Hayao Miyazaki is amazing and in Motion Pictures Stanley Kubrick.
Art inspired by Moebius?
http://www.animwatch.com/F17-ShaneAckers9.php#Screen02 |
Post by rrf // Jun 20, 2007, 3:59am
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Here's a good link for artwork
http://www.bpib.com/illustra.htm
rf |
Post by jayr // Jun 20, 2007, 4:05am
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I agree about Moebius! In film Hayao Miyazaki is amazing and in Motion Pictures Stanley Kubrick.
Art inspired by Moebius?
Since i saw it i thought Nausicaa is very Moebius inspired, the style of the characters and the world in general is a lot like his work. Also check out 'Time Masters' (cant remember what it is in french), the characters were designed by him. |
Post by kena // Jun 20, 2007, 4:45am
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Russian fairytale art, I remember it from years ago but wouldn't know how to obtain examples now -
Ask and ye shall receive.
Click THIS LINK (http://images.google.com/images?um=1&tab=wi&channel=s&client=firefox-a&hl=en&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=Russian%20fairytale) |
Post by Improv // Jun 20, 2007, 12:53pm
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So what are other people finding inspirational at the moment?
If we're talking illustrators I'd have to say one of the all time classics:
Peter Ellenshaw
(Including many of the Disney Classics Cinderella, Sleeping Beauty, Winnie the Pooh, Snow White, Alice in Wonderland, Pinnochio, Chronicles of Narnia, Peter Pan, Beauty and the Beast, Mary Poppins, 20k Leagues Under the Sea, Fantasia,etc,etc.. plus his own personal work. )
http://www.ellenshaw.com/artists.htm |
Post by jayr // Jun 20, 2007, 1:19pm
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He's not an illustrator but i can't believe no ones put Ray Harryhausen on the list (including me..... until now), The skeleton fight at the end of Jason and the Argonauts is a true classic. |
Post by Burnart // Jun 20, 2007, 1:37pm
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Thanks for all the interesting links I shall check them out.
On the subject of posing I picked up a book called "How to draw Manga" it was really cheap cause it was shop damaged - anyway theres only about 10 pages that interest me and they aren't the dynamic action hero poses but the ones where he just has characters lounging about - very nice. Sometimes see Spike in Cowboy Bebop sitting around in similar interesting poses (DVD pause button!)
As far as illustrators go I like to look back to Tenniels stuff for Alice in Wonderland or Arthur Rackhams (sp?) fairytale stuff - For the more recent there is Brian Froud of course - great poses and character faces. There are also a couple of guys who did lots of book covers of sci-fi and fantasy in the 70s - Bruce Pennington (the name you may not know but he did great covers for Heinlein and Frank Herbert etc - do a search.) The second is Chris Foss - lots of spaceship design you see in films and art today stems from his vision - he completely transformed that particular genre when he hit the scene.
Just thought of someone - Ron Cobb not just a fabulous futuristic designer but an amazing satirical and political cartoonists. His characters are kind of chunky and stiff but the detail in the expressions and clothing etc is amazing.
American painter, underground comic artist and founder of Juxtapoz Robert Williams is probably my overall favourite artist at the moment. Each of his large paintings is like an obscene version of a 5 minute Chuck Jones cartoon squeezed into a single frame. Outrageous!
So many people who I think are worth looking at I could go on and on but - I'll stop (for the moment).
Keep those suggestions coming in. |
Post by Burnart // Jun 20, 2007, 4:20pm
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For those who aren't familiar with Robert Williams here's a link
http://www.artnet.com/artist/17922/robert-williams.html
The drawings are cool but its the paintings at the end I mainly like. |
Post by W!ZARD // Jun 21, 2007, 4:04am
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Roger Dean? was it him who did most of the Yes Album covers?
....er... Yes! :D |
Post by weaveribm // Jun 21, 2007, 11:50pm
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Tenniels stuff for Alice in Wonderland
Not to bore Burnart but on drawing inspiration where we can, Tenniel apparently used a painting of a real woman (ref: Alan Bennett's 'Untold Stories') for his model for the Ugly Duchess <checks index>
Ah so he did...
http://www.kfki.hu/~/arthp/html/m/massys/quentin/2/ugly_duc.html
Peter |
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