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Roman, Caligari ... fess up, stop the smoke and daggers, lets have it!
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Roman, Caligari ... fess up, stop the smoke and daggers, lets have it! // Roundtable
Post by aidanodr // Feb 11, 2008, 2:20pm
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Hi Roman, Caligari,
Here stands a long serving TRUESPACE community looking for answers, a community that has helped pay the wages over the years and has supported you through thick and thin. Cut the smoke and mirrors/daggers [ ala Irish prime minister / Taoiseach recently - see below ], cut to the chase ... tell your age old loyal users whats going on with TS now and in the future. At least let these users make a decision about what they are going to do with their 3D ... come on be fare, everyone who has purchased TS now and in the past has a stake in this.
Ban this thread if you wish, but it will not make the question go away ... you owe the community an answer .. now!
Cheers
Aidan
http://www.breakingnews.ie/archives/?c=IRELAND&jp=mhmhojcwqlid&d=2007-11-05 - explanation - smoke and daggers |
Post by kena // Feb 11, 2008, 3:28pm
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Sorry Aidan. You, like I, paid for Truespace. We did not pay for corporate plans for the future, and Roman does not owe us any explanation of what he does with his company. The only way he WOULD owe us an explanation would be if we were shareholders in his company. We own a product, not a piece of Caligari.
I think that upon careful and calm reflection you may be ready to wait and see like the rest of us. Bottom line, as Roman knows, is that the current users like us will evaluate what happens in the future and then decide if we want to continue to buy the product.
I always have backups of current versions in case a new version does not work. It’s a long-standing habit.
Push comes to shove, I will simply use an outdated product until I find a new product that does what I want it to do.
Roman is aware of this, or he is not a businessman. Telling us his plans now could violate an NDA with Microsoft. It could allow investors to decide how to invest in the future. That would be inside information which is not legal in most countries. Certainly not legal here in the U.S.
Give it time. Wait and see what happens. We can only do that. |
Post by transient // Feb 11, 2008, 5:01pm
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I think that upon careful and calm reflection you may be ready to wait and see like the rest of us.
Acquisition, what acquisition?;) |
Post by behzad // Feb 11, 2008, 5:36pm
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This is funny. :banana: |
Post by rjeff // Feb 11, 2008, 5:37pm
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that cracked me up.. |
Post by aidanodr // Feb 12, 2008, 1:19am
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Hi Guys,
I put in a big :) here, glad some got a slight tongue and cheek aspect to this thread - more embarassing for our prime minister here in Ireland rather than anyone else, maybe myself also.
BUT, I decided to pop up such a message to test the water. Possibly airing what alot of people are afraid to ask? Maybe it was too short and too blunt? I do take your point Kena.
Yip I know we, the user, dont own Caligari, but without loyal users buying an application from said corporation - that corporation would NOT be a success, hence sale of said corporation to another would not have happened.
From that standpoint - a bit more precise info would be welcome by all I imagine. In recent communications by Roman and others - the contained information has been vague. It says onward and upward, so why not just say it:
"OK guys, its going to follow a similar model to Google / Sketchup - Yes TS will be integrated into Virtual Earth, but a seperate stream of the application as it is now will be developed as normal in a pro type version for sale".
OR
"OK guys, TS will be fully integrated into Virtual Earth, unfortunately the application as we know it will cease development as of now"
If its the latter, then fine, the current user base is useless to the new owners anyway, by keeping the userbase in the dark, if this is the way of things is of no use to anyone.
Lets face it - its either one or the other, IS IT? From romans statements its a done deal so whats the harm in telling the userbase now [ Unless of course they HAVENT figured out whats happening yet ]. More harm is being done by not doing so.
Again I stress - a companys success is down to bums on seats, product volume sold, userbase - if their is none of this that company would not exist and therefore could not be sold on by its owners. Surely we the user ARE owed something due to this "tiny" contribution.
Cheers
Aidan |
Post by transient // Feb 12, 2008, 2:34am
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Limbo
1. often Limbo Roman Catholic Church: The abode of unbaptized but innocent or righteous souls (current TS users), as those of infants or virtuous individuals who lived before the coming of Christ (Microsoft, obviously).
2. A region or condition of oblivion or neglect: "Management kept her promotion in limbo for months."
3. A state or place of confinement.
4. An intermediate place or state.
I think the first is a gimme, but two to four depend on how zen your feeling.:)
I'll just add that I'm sure Caligari would like to take care of everyone, if they can. It's that "if" part that, annoyingly, won't go away. |
Post by W!ZARD // Feb 12, 2008, 3:02am
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Well if I was going to make a request to Roman and Co it would be please don't tell us anything - at least until there is a reasonable degree of certainty in what we're told.
I'm happily pottering away in trueSpace regardless - and unless someone's going to fly to New Zealand and force me to uninstall tS at gun-point I'll happily carry on using what I've got, making hay while the sun shines and using lemons to make lemonade. It's a no-lose scenario.
If MS takes truePlay technology to make a popular 3d browser - excellent! That won't stop me from using tS 7.5. If MS removes all offline raytracing capability from future versions of tS (this simply ain't gonna happen folks - one of the great strengths of the Rosetta framework is the way it can communicate with all manner of other bits of code - like renderers. Rosettas modular structure means that all you need is a translation app (like Dribble) and you can connect tS up to any number of other bits of code - make something in tS, write a little package to go between Rosetta and .... say Massive, for example and away you go.) - but as I was saying even if MS removes all offline rendering capability from future versions of tS that can't stop me from using what I've already got.
Think about this - when tS 7.x series started rolling out everyone was worried it meant the end of the old tS - well it has but I don't see many folk lamenting that - they've gone from a choice of LightWorks and Virtualight in tS 6.6 and added V-ray and the DX9 rendering capabilities. Additionally using the interoperability I mentioned earlier, someone (Simon) was able to whip up a translator app (Dribble) allowing trueSpace to talk to a Renderman compliant renderer - in his spare time!
Please people, stop stressing over what might or might not be. All that worry, you're knocking years of your life expectancy!
Again I say, Roman please tell us nothing until you can tell us something solid - we as individuals will then decide whether it's good news or bad news for us each as individuals. Take your time, do it once, get it right - anything else is inefficient and unprofessional - which is not something I've ever experienced from Caligari).
Meanwhile, I'm hoping to enter an animation for this months gallery - something I've never done before so excuse me, I'm off to boot up tS on my other PC.
"It's about wanting what you have, not having what you want,
It's about being all you can, not just being good enough,
It's about doing something magical, each and every day,
Living ordinary lives in extraordinary ways"
From "Ordinary Lives" by Stephen May. |
Post by rrf // Feb 12, 2008, 3:17am
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I'm with you and Roman, Wiz. Watching all this 'mass hysteria', I remind myself that 'the past is gone - the future hasn't happened yet - all we have is Now'. All speculation, whether good or bad is just that - projecting into a future world that hasn't happened yet. Although, (to speculate...) I can't wait for the next update :jumpy: If I've taken the 'inferences' right, new icons have been made, and MS may want to let Roman clear things up before starting new projects - that may mean that maybe, just maybe, more tools are ported to WS. Did I mention I can't wait? I patiently can and will.
rf |
Post by transient // Feb 12, 2008, 3:18am
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All that worry, you're knocking years of your life expectancy!
It's the booze and late nights that's knocking years off my life expectancy. Worrying about Truespace will have to take a number......
Watching all this 'mass hysteria', I remind myself that 'the past is gone - the future hasn't happened yet - all we have is Now'
You and some others don't care what happens, that's cool. Flaming people who do, isn't. Most of the best artists on these forums have engaged in this "mass hysteria" (I call it justifiable concern) at some point since this news broke. |
Post by W!ZARD // Feb 12, 2008, 3:29am
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Hi Guys,
Again I stress - a companys success is down to bums on seats, product volume sold, userbase - if their is none of this that company would not exist and therefore could not be sold on by its owners. Surely we the user ARE owed something due to this "tiny" contribution.
Cheers
Aidan
How can you be 'owed' anything?
You paid your money for a product and the product was delivered. An equal exchange was agreed on and made - end of story. Caligari are not going to turn round and say, "OK guy's everyone who has paid for a copy of trueSpace 7.5 owes us another ten bucks because the company has been around for so long"! Then people would really have something to stress-out over.
Caligari owe you nothing, not even an explanation. When they do give us any info we haven't paid for it's either an act of goodwill or part of a canny marketing strategy.
A companies success is not down to Bums on seats - it's down to effective marketing of quality product that gives value for money combined with sufficient capital to get it rolling.
Over the years I've given far more money to beer manufacturers than I ever have to software manufacturers. Can you imagine what would happen if I went down to the brewery and said - "hey I've been drinking your beer for 35 years now, you guys owe me"?
Now think about this - MS adapt truePlay technology to create a 64 bit 3d Web browser that will become the next generation Internet Explorer and is packaged with Vista. MS has software in, what, 75 to 80% of all computers worldwide (Conservative guess)?. The trueSpace user-base must be minutely small compared to that.
Even if you had bought a full price copy of every product Caligari has ever sold how much have you really spent? Compare that amount against the 44 BILLION dollars MS is prepared to spend to by Yahoo.
I'm sorry to burst your bubble Aidan but as far as I can see neither MS nor Caligari owes you a bean. |
Post by aidanodr // Feb 12, 2008, 4:11am
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Hey W!ZARD,
thank you for your opinion and its noted. This is yet another topic of conversation open to all - maybe even to while the time away as we wait :) Yes I know - time would be better spent modelling in TS. OK I agree.
"A companies success is not down to Bums on seats - it's down to effective marketing of quality product that gives value for money combined with sufficient capital to get it rolling."
However - Why do companys do marketing? Yip, to sell the product which is Bums on seats. The only reason people are in business is to MAKE MONEY, if they happen to love what they do also - thats just dandy. Only reason for quality is it increases sales, bums on seats. Only reason for value for money is to increase sales, bums on seats. Reason for sufficient capital - to spend it on marketing, quality production and in making a value for money product which translates to the ultimate aim of ... yip, bums on seats OR increased customer base. Without which no company would exist.
If you or I or anyone else here DID NOT BUY truespace or upgrade or buy the plugins or the training Caligari would have folded long ago. Customers buying is the absolute target, sales, profit, build the company, then sell it on. Its not a case of OWING, maybe thats the wrong word, just it would be courteous to the customer base that buys and funds the company directly via profits to keep it informed.
And with regard to MS and its Billions - this also came from customers. Unless of course Bill has a money tree out back / inherited a fortune / doesnt bother with profit because of the two previous reasons. Again - if customers dont / didnt buy MS product - MS would also fold in the long term.
Cheers
Aidan |
Post by transient // Feb 12, 2008, 4:27am
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You paid your money for a product and the product was delivered. An equal exchange was agreed on and made - end of story.
That's nonsense.
Any form of trade, and this is by law in most countries not just an ethical standard, is not necessarily over when you receive the goods. If it's not working, you've got the legal right to have it replaced or fixed until it does what was advertised.
Of course, software makers are traditionally nebulous about what constitutes good working order, but that doesn't change the principle.
I don't know why you're being so hostile. Everyone has the right their opinion on TS, we all paid our bucks. |
Post by rrf // Feb 12, 2008, 6:12am
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Transient,
sorry if I've offended you or anyone....
"You and some others don't care what happens, that's cool. Flaming people who do, isn't. "
I'm not real 'up' on current internet terminology - for example, I don't know what 'flaming' means -
I do care what happens, but am willing to wait to see what the 'real' reality will bring. The choices that everyone, including the people who make their living with TS, are plain and simple, and in some cases, frustrating - either use the software or don't. Personally I will trust Roman and Caligari, and will tend to be calm about stuff that may or may not happen. I really don't care if anyone else does, (except for some of the 'die hard' TS'ers who should know better :)) That's all my own opinion, of course - again, feel free to disagree, but please don't take offense - none is intended.
rf |
Post by kena // Feb 12, 2008, 6:31am
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Flaming is the hostile and insulting interaction between Internet users.
And I don't think anyone is trying to do that, but it seems that a few people are feeling that they are.
Please remember that many members of the forums are blunt-spoken and try not to be insulted by what they say.
What the people who are being accused of flaming are trying to say is that the bottom line is that Roman doesn't owe an explanation to us for what he does with the company.
That does not mean that we as clients do not want to know what will happen to one of our favorite programs in the future and I doubt that any of us will continue to purchase the product if it goes where we do not want to follow.
As Roman has said, web publishing is where he has been trying to go. He feels that being bought by Microsoft will achieve that goal. Weather or not that will mean good things or bad things to those of us who are artists or developers remains to be seen. That is, naturally, what we all want to know.
Making demands that we deserve to know will not make it happen. |
Post by W!ZARD // Feb 12, 2008, 6:51am
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Transient - if you think I'm being hostile then either you're not reading my post fully or I'm being unclear.
Hostility is the last thing on my mind - :D. I just want everyone to be happy - and I've seen a lot of posts here recently suggesting that there are more than a few people unhappy. Obviously they are in control of their own emotional choices but when I see someone putting themself through fear and anger for no good reason (that I can see anyway) what am I to do? Stand by and watch people I like, admire and respect agonising over what might be - or should I step in and try, however clumsily, to cast a better, brighter light on things?
My motive is simply to help - this community has supported and encouraged and guided me for 5 or 6 years now and I want to return the favour. I have a background that includes a great deal of experience with customer service and so I feel qualified to say, in my experiencem that Caligari have superb customer service. So I find myself caught between people who are customers of Caligari and Caligari itself.
This is like being stuck two good friends having a fallout through a misunderstanding - what am I to do? Side with one party and gang up on the other? Not bloody likely - that would be hostility in my book.
At the end of the day I am simply doing what you yourself talk about when you said "Everyone has the right their opinion on TS,".
Everyone has a right to their own opinion but not to their own facts. Some might be of the opinion that Caligari are wrong by not not telling us more. That does not mean Caligari are in fact wrong - it just means that in the opinions of some folk they are wrong.
Take your own post - You say "that's nonsense" in reference to my coments and express it as though it is a fact when it's just your opinion - to which you are of course most entitled. That type of opinion, offered with a degree of bluntness, could perhaps also be classed as hostile but I'm not interested in hostility so I'll go on to explain the reason why I think that it is not nonsense at all.
Your point, while true and valid, is irrelevant to the topic at hand. Caligari offer a 30 day money back guarentee of you are not satisfied with the exchange. Further more they have a technical services team that help anyone having technical difficulty. They also offer assistance for people who are struggling to get the product to do what they want it to do. In that sense the trade is not over when you receive the goods.
When I said you paid your money and you got your product, that product includes a 30 day money back guarantee and after sales technical assistance - all as part of the product you paid for and all as part of the negotiated agreement between seller and buyer.
If you buy a car from me I have ethical and legal obligations to partake in fair trade and to not rip you off. The vehicle I sell must be road worthy and legally mine to sell and so on. Just because you buy a car from me does not oblige me to tell you anything at all about how I run my business or what type of car I'm going to be selling in the future. Once the transaction is completed and honoured I owe you nothing
Lastly, my apologies for the lengthy post Transient. It is important to me that other people do not mistake my comments as hostile and it's also important to me that my opinions are backed up with sound reasoning that I can share along with the opinions .
WZRD. |
Post by frootee // Feb 12, 2008, 6:59am
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No new data is available to present.
Caligari is busy with MS performing work.
Caligari will present new data when it is available, and when Caligari is available.
Have a nice day. |
Post by Steinie // Feb 12, 2008, 7:49am
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Well I like almost everyone else has a large financial investment in trueSpace. By the time I add all the money up I could have bought A LOT of other things instead. Ask yourself this, do you really think 7.51 was finished? Sure it works but is it finished? We were told the bridge would go away and all the legacy tools would be on the workSpace side. They never said that would be free but they did say work wasn't done. I bought 7.51 with the promise of a finished version. I do believe that will happen so I'm not bitter.
There are a lot of questions being asked of Roman but he himself just recently stated he didn't have all the answers.
I really think we are all in shock of the change and don't know what to do next. One by one each of us has gone through the questions path and are now doing the same thing. Sitting and waiting for the next development. Roman said he would keep us informed as he found things out. No one will know the answers except him. His last response SEEMED like he didn't answer our concerns but after reading it over and over I see now he told us a lot. TrueSpace WILL continue, web and collaboration will be it's focus, Users are still going to be supported, no compromises have been made.
I looked at past Company purchases made by Microsoft and found that most are still functioning. Still selling the same product as before. That is not bad news. |
Post by jayr // Feb 12, 2008, 7:53am
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There are a lot of questions being asked of Roman but he himself just recently stated he didn't have all the answers.
His last response SEEMED like he didn't answer our concerns but after reading it over and over I see now he told us a lot. TrueSpace WILL continue, web and collaboration will be it's focus, Users are still going to be supported, no compromises have been made.
Are you refering to the last Blog entry or have i missed something else? |
Post by Steinie // Feb 12, 2008, 7:55am
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This was Roman's response from another thread:
I did not have too much sleep in last few days, but I suppose that is a poor excuse for lack of posting here. I read this huge thread in its entirety and I am sorry if we caused unnecessary anxiety to you by not posting the details. I promise to update you here more frequently in near future, some things I simply just do not know yet. But I do know this: We found ourselves a great new home in Virtual Earth.
I said that we did not make any compromises in this deal and I meant every single word of that statement. The guys at Microsoft are amazing, they have a vision, which if anything, is even bigger than ours and if we can meet their expectations it will push trueSpace to new heights. Yes, it has a lot to do with 3D web and 3D collaboration, this should not be a surprise, we are working on that for the last 2 years already.
Not only Microsoft wants to use our technology to its fullest potential, they also want to retain our vibrant user community. They told me they will come up with a program with additional support for most talented trueSpace users. If your goal is to build a viable business creating 3D art or interactive graphics content for the “age of web”, than your future just became 100 times brighter.
We are not changing the direction, we are simply taking our technology to next level.
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Post by W!ZARD // Feb 12, 2008, 8:14am
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Hey Aidan - Thanks for your response.
I think we're probably talking tomahtoes and tomaytoes. Whilst recognising ther validity of your comments I also think that the 'bums on seats' metaphor is a bit inefficient. The financial success of an enterprise is not solely dependant on the number of customers - it's a function of customer numbers and unit price minus production costs and overheads.
You can make a hundred bucks (or quid if you prefer) by selling 1 dollar gizmos to a hundred 'bums on seats' or you can sell 2 50 dollar gizmos to two people. All things being equal it must be easier to serve 2 people compared to 100 people. It's that quality/quantity dynamic combined with 'percieved value' that determines a companies success.
If two people percieve $50 dollars of value in your gizmos becuase of the quality then you've earned you $100.00. For a customer to percieve $50 worth of value in your gizmos they must be informed and convinced of that value - thus marketing - or more accurately, effective marketing strategies, that determine the success of a company.
Most business management course would tell you that a business is not about making money at all - it's about providing a sercive or product to people = your 'bums on seats'. Strictly speaking the only people who make money are governments and mints - everyone else just passes it around. You can only get money if someone gives it to you - usually in exchange for a product or service. The only thing you can do with money is give it to someone else - again usually in exchange for a product or service.
Therefore the reason people are in business is to provide something to other people - or at least that's what I was told at the small business seminars I attended a few years back when I was self-employed.
On one hand I could just be being pedantic and playing with semantics - on the other hand Roman could try to make a lot of money selling lots of trueSpace licences to lots of people - or he could make a whole lot more by selling the entire company to a bigger company. In that case there is only one bum on a seat and that's Bill Gates (or one of his agents) ;).
Of course now it's Bill who'll be interested in the bums on seats so it all comes down to the same thing in the end - tomaytoes and tomahtoes.
@Steinie - Hi Bob. Re "Well I like almost everyone else has a large financial investment in trueSpace. By the time I add all the money up I could have bought A LOT of other things instead. Ask yourself this, do you really think 7.51 was finished? Sure it works but is it finished? We were told the bridge would go away and all the legacy tools would be on the workSpace side. They never said that would be free but they did say work wasn't done. I bought 7.51 with the promise of a finished version. I do believe that will happen so I'm not bitter.".
Time is money as they say - I've put far more time into trueSpace than I have money - and the more I use it the better the deal gets - the more time I use it the more pleasure I get for the price of my initial investment. Personally, money is not as important to me as time - if I earn ten bucks in one hour that ten bucks is worth way more to me than ten bucks earned in a day!
As to thinking tS was finished - a good question although I struggle to think in those terms. Mouse traps have been around for a long time but they're still trying to make better mouse traps so is a mouse trap ever finished?
I tend to think of it (tS 7.5) as a stage in the evolution of a complex organism. Like the tree in my back yard it still has some growing to do but in the meantime it does a grand job of holding up my hammock.
Software is never finished IMO. It just gets outmoded or superceded in response to changing technology.
WZRD
Hey W!ZARD,
thank you for your opinion and its noted. This is yet another topic of conversation open to all - maybe even to while the time away as we wait :) Yes I know - time would be better spent modelling in TS. OK I agree.
"A companies success is not down to Bums on seats - it's down to effective marketing of quality product that gives value for money combined with sufficient capital to get it rolling."
However - Why do companys do marketing? Yip, to sell the product which is Bums on seats. The only reason people are in business is to MAKE MONEY, if they happen to love what they do also - thats just dandy. Only reason for quality is it increases sales, bums on seats. Only reason for value for money is to increase sales, bums on seats. Reason for sufficient capital - to spend it on marketing, quality production and in making a value for money product which translates to the ultimate aim of ... yip, bums on seats OR increased customer base. Without which no company would exist.
If you or I or anyone else here DID NOT BUY truespace or upgrade or buy the plugins or the training Caligari would have folded long ago. Customers buying is the absolute target, sales, profit, build the company, then sell it on. Its not a case of OWING, maybe thats the wrong word, just it would be courteous to the customer base that buys and funds the company directly via profits to keep it informed.
And with regard to MS and its Billions - this also came from customers. Unless of course Bill has a money tree out back / inherited a fortune / doesnt bother with profit because of the two previous reasons. Again - if customers dont / didnt buy MS product - MS would also fold in the long term.
Cheers
Aidan |
Post by prodigy // Feb 12, 2008, 8:17am
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regarding this..
"If your goal is to build a viable business creating 3D art or interactive graphics content for the “age of web”, than your future just became 100 times brighter."
I love that OR. |
Post by Ambrose // Feb 12, 2008, 8:41am
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Now prodiggy that's a very good catch.
That settles it for me, now I'll relax with some wine ;)
SeYa/Ambrose... |
Post by spacekdet // Feb 12, 2008, 9:05am
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Call me crazy, but sometimes I like my 'graphics content' to just lie there and look good. |
Post by Paul Boland // Feb 12, 2008, 9:41am
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I would still welcome a proper to-the-point news release from Caligari on this matter. If TrueSpace's future is sound, why all these cryptic replies. Why not just say, "Yes, TrueSpace as it stands is safe and we will be adding aditional functionality to it for the 3D Web." We aren't getting this. All I see is Norm's blog and Roman's reply both talking about a bright future in realtime 3D environments. While Caligari has promoted this area of interest in the past, it's now become the primary focus for Caligari. We haven't had any news on TrueSpace 7.6 in ages now. Yes, the BETA testers are telling us they are still working on it, but where's Caligari? Where's Roman? His Captain's Blog thread was a fountain of info on this front, now it's all dried up.
My concerns won't be laid to rest till I know for sure where TrueSpace is heading. I am very disapointed at this lack of info from Caligari, I really am. I thought today, being Monday and a new week, we'd get something from Caligari on this, but after scanning for forums, I don't see it. Also, the forums themselves are a source of concern for the future too. Look at all us folks who are asking questions and they are going unanswered. Posts by Caligari staff (Norm, Tom, Roman) have all dried up since this news went public. This isn't the same close-knit community I have been a part of for years.
Aidan's initial post is a bit abrupt and to the point, but he has a point. What is going on? Is TrueSpace's future safe? If TrueSpace is going to change focus, then I would like to know this sooner rather then later. If TrueSpace 7 is going to be the last version of TrueSpace as we know it, it would be nice to know this so that I'm not sitting here, day after day, living in hope of news, and could be looking for a suitable replacement tool to take my 3D in. I don't like that we've been left hanging in the air like this.
Come on, Caligari, make a statement, please!! |
Post by Ambrose // Feb 12, 2008, 9:48am
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I really don't get all this!?
Give them a week or two to get going then they know what to say etc. what is strange with this, everyone is demanding an answer like 2' after the news...
You should all know by now that they're allways waiting until they've something to say.
They never say something just for the sake of it...
The weeks goes fast enough anyeay ;)
Don't worry relax...
SeYa/Ambrose... |
Post by Paul Boland // Feb 12, 2008, 9:58am
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Ambrose, I appreciate your point, really do, but the home has changed. What was once a close family has now been divided. In all the years I've been on these forums, I've never know such silence from Caligari. I'm not just talking about the main news topic, but in all regards. Where are Tom and Norm gone? They use to post to these forums on a daily basis. Apart from the day the news went public, I haven't seen them at all (perhaps I'm just missing the topics they are posting to).
I appreciate they need time to see where the gound lies and what future paths lie ahead, but the thing that's really annoying are the crypic posts which are being debated back and forth by us all. If indeed, as Prodigy highlighted above in Roman's post, the "or" means TrueSpace as it stands is safe, why doesn't Caligari just put an end to all our concerns and say it out straight?????? The silence, the new forus on the 3D Web by Caligari, and the state these forums have fallen into all say to me that TrueSpace's future is no longer set in stone and until I get an undisputable confirmation from Caligari that all is well, my fears will remain and grow with each passing day. |
Post by mykyl1966 // Feb 12, 2008, 10:01am
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If as seems to be the case, Roman and the rest of the crew are busy sorting things out, having meetings etc then I doubt they have any time to really think of how to reply to a community where every syllable is being analyzed and pulled apart.
They would need to go over and over a piece of text again and again checking, double checking then triple checking that it said what was needed without someone here seeing something that is NOT actually there.
Wait and see what happens. Give them time to work out a proper statement as and when they can. DON'T give them more pressure than they must already be under.
It IS frustrating not knowing all the ins and outs but guess what... You will NEVER know ALL the ins and outs.
I would guess pretty soon we will know all the details that affect us in whatever way that may be.
If you are in the middle of a project then continue to finish it. The next version of TS doesn't or shouldn't be a factor of anything you are currently working on.
Well thats me for now. I guess I feel for people who are being pressured unnecessarily whoever they are. Just wait and see and give them time.
Cheers
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Post by Ambrose // Feb 12, 2008, 10:12am
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Thay all travelling having meeting and late nights with some beer, then logs in and decides it's time to sleep if they're going to be fresh for the next days meetings, there's no time to make one bad impression.
Only one person is still left to answer some support etc. but thats it.
Hang in there, I don't mind you being worried, you kind of expresses that other side of me ;)
SeYa/Ambrose... |
Post by spyfrog // Feb 12, 2008, 11:20am
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I have to agree with Paul Boland about my concerns.
I wasn't even aware that Caligari where trying to work towards the "3D web", I have always only been interested in Truespace as a traditional 3D program.
I still haven't really seen a reassurance that the traditional 3D part of the program will be developed and improved. I am not a bit interested in the "3D web" so more resources in that direction don't impress me a bit...
If the "3D web" is the future, then count me out. I simply don't believe in the "3D web". As I said, I wasn't even aware that Caligari was working toward it... |
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