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The future of Caligari?
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The future of Caligari? // Roundtable
Post by 2much4U // Mar 24, 2008, 6:20pm
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It's a question that is no doubt on everyone's mind. What will happen to Caligari Corporation? Is it even still called Caligari, or will trueSpace become an official Microsoft product? More specifically, trueSpace is a product we have all come to love, hate (at times), and utilize with great ambitions. With Caligari no longer being the big boss, it has become very unclear as to what will happen to such a wonderful product. What's worse is that Caligari has been very vague on the details. In fact, they haven't eluded to any of them at all, leaving everyone confused and anxious.
What's going on? Where is life for trueSpace going, if it's even going to continue? And why is it that various features of the Caligari website disappearing? Will there be one day when all the Caligarians will type "caligari.com" into their address bar, only to be redirected to the MS home page?
Also, are the forums going to continue to exist? Is the Monthly Gallery going to do likewise? I understand that Roman and his team wouldn't have allowed MS to buy Caligari if it meant the end of all they have worked for, but the lack of answers is getting to me, and most likely all of the other members of the community. |
Post by Mel // Mar 24, 2008, 8:21pm
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What happened to the proteam??????????
Mel |
Post by Jack Edwards // Mar 24, 2008, 9:02pm
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Not sure what you mean Mel? The proTeam forums are still here, I still have access to my proTeam content, and I haven't heard anything about it being discontinued...? Am I missing something? :confused: |
Post by W!ZARD // Mar 24, 2008, 11:54pm
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In fact, they haven't eluded to any of them at all, leaving everyone confused and anxious.
.....the lack of answers is getting to me, and most likely all of the other members of the community.
It's probably best if you speak for yourself rather than assume you know what the community is thinking. I'm an active member of this community and I'm not confused or anxious and the lack of answers is not getting to me in the slightest and I know of at least 4 other folk who feel the same way.
Additionally your 'fact' - that Caligari haven't 'eluded' (I'm assuming you mean alluded) is not a fact at all as Roman has clearly stated that the future for trueSpace, trueSpacers and this community, is now 100% brighter than it was previously.
You are probably correct to say Caligari have been vague on details - but to my way of thinking that is far better than being told things that are not definite. It's also perfectly normal for a company to keep it's inner business to itself.
You don't have to look very hard to see that everything is pretty much business as usual. tS 7.6 is still being worked on, various Shared Space events are still continuing as before, new courses are still being released, technical questions are still being answered, the flagship software packages are still being sold, the CEO is still judging the monthly Gallery contests, the company is still telling us what it can, as and when it can, which is only to be expected.
What's changed? Some items have disappeared from the main website - which is to be expected as the company evolves and grows.
There is clearly something happening at the highest management levels - again this is to be expected from any growing and evolving company.
We, as customers, are not privy to the details of those higher level management developments - which is again, only to be expected. The manager of my local supermarket does not tell me what goes on in his boardroom either just because I spend hundreds of dollars a year buying groceries from his company!
What we have been told by higher management at Caligari is that we will be informed of developments as and when it is appropriate - which is fair enough. I tell my clients exactly what I think they need to know whilst striving to provide the best possible service to them - Caligari does the same and I think you will find this is pretty much standard business procedure everywhere.
2much4U - with all due respect to you and your fears I feel compelled to say your post is unfair, wildy inaccurate and highly misleading.
You say "It's a question that is no doubt on everyone's mind. What will happen to Caligari Corporation?" - I say this is not a question that is on my mind - it wasn't before the MS deal was announced and it's not now. What will happen to the Caligari Corporation? It will disappear eventually, same as any and every other corporation. That's what companies do - they start, they grow, they get bought out or stagnate or sold off or bankrupted or otherwise killed off eventually. This will occur regardless of whether the company is owned by one person or many people.
You say "With Caligari no longer being the big boss, it has become very unclear as to what will happen to such a wonderful product" - I say, it was always unclear, and will almost certainly remain unclear. 5 years ago Roman was not writing to the old forums and saying, 'hey guys, if someone makes me a good offer I'll sell them my company'.
We did not know about the MS deal until after it was signed which is exactly the way it should be.
This community is generally supportive of the company but that does not give us any right to say how the company should be run. We are customers, not shareholders.
In the meantime I intend to remind myself that the only constant thing in life is change - and that no matter what happens and who owns what, Caligari, the way it operates and the products it sells will change over time regardless. The MS deal is nothing more or less than a sign if that change.
Look at ... say America, or Britain or any other influential modern nation - they undergo massive changes in policy, leadership and direction according to the political and financial requirements of the times. They are still here and still functioning against all manner of incredible odds. I really can't see any reason why the same thing should not apply to Caligari and trueSpace.
Worrying is like a rocking chair - it gives you something to do but it won't get you anywhere. I would recommend waiting until you have something definite to worry about before leaping to any doomsday conclusions. |
Post by W!ZARD // Mar 24, 2008, 11:59pm
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Not sure what you mean Mel? The proTeam forums are still here, I still have access to my proTeam content, and I haven't heard anything about it being discontinued...? Am I missing something? :confused:
Jack - protean used to be advertised on the main website as an option for customers to purchase membership - now there is no such option suggesting either Proteam is being discontinued as a Caligari product option or it's being significantly restructured. I was considering joining Proteam a couple of weeks ago but could not find any useful mention of it on the Caligari main site.
I figure this post won't add much but at least you will now know why some of us suspect Proteam as we knew it, is either gone or dramatically changing.
HTH |
Post by Jack Edwards // Mar 25, 2008, 1:38am
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Ah ok, I wasn't aware that the purchase option was no longer on the website. Could be that it's a request only item now... :confused: Might be they haven't decided what they are going to do about it. Guess they'll make an anouncement when there's news to announce.
Bummer, if proTeam does go away then I'll have to start deciding which courses to buy... :o fortunately I think I'm paid up until 2009 and 9.0......... maybe... lol |
Post by transient // Mar 25, 2008, 2:59am
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2much4U - with all due respect to you and your fears I feel compelled to say your post is unfair, wildy inaccurate and highly misleading
In fact his post was pretty much spot on with what many people have posted at some point. He may have erred at the beginning with his stake on "leaving everyone confused etc.", but that's just nitpicking.
I understand that Roman and his team wouldn't have allowed MS to buy Caligari if it meant the end of all they have worked for, but the lack of answers is getting to me, and most likely all of the other members of the community.
Maybe if more people spoke out we would have the answers by now, good for you.:) |
Post by KeithC // Mar 25, 2008, 4:15am
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2much4U - with all due respect to you and your fears I feel compelled to say your post is unfair, wildy inaccurate and highly misleading.
I don't have a problem with his comment(s) either, as I have been wondering myself. The answers I've heard so far aren't giving me the same "warm and fuzzy" feeling as some of the others here. I still haven't heard a response as to what's happening with GameSpace 2's development (other than the "we're still on track with things" line); and questions to that effect have been ignored by the powers that be, both here and in the Beta forums. The special discount that Caligari had going on GameSpace awhile back (group buy offer) was taken down prematurely without any explanation at all (even when I asked). Some members of the forums I help moderate (The Game Creators...TGC), were wondering why that was and I couldn't give them an accurate answer...because no one would give me one. Might not have been as much of a big deal to those guys, except Tom had signed up to the TGC forums just to advertise that particular deal.
This community is generally supportive of the company but that does not give us any right to say how the company should be run. We are customers, not shareholders.
I'm going out on a limb here, but customers are the ones who pay the bills and keep the wheels of any company turning....right?
It's been quite awhile since the big announcement; it would be nice to hear some clearer answers on either what's going on....or why no answers can be given.
Of course; this is all just my opinion, and I too believe that Roman always has the best intentions when it comes to this community and his company. ;)
-Keith |
Post by frootee // Mar 25, 2008, 7:44am
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It's been quite awhile since the big announcement; it would be nice to hear some clearer answers on either what's going on....or why no answers can be given.
Of course; this is all just my opinion, and I too believe that Roman always has the best intentions when it comes to this community and his company. ;)
-Keith
Bottom line is this, at least IMHO. When Caligari knows the answers to the questions, we will know. When Caligari and Microsoft have agreed they are both legally in the clear to discuss all relevant information, they will do so.
Caligari is not being tight lipped just because they feel like it and don't feel like answering every single question under the sun.
Yes, I too want to know "what will happen". In the end, I will either support the end result with continued purchases, or I will just say, screw it, and save my money.
In the meantime, wanting answers simply will not help. |
Post by Paul Boland // Mar 25, 2008, 10:19am
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Wizard, I'm going to have to disagree with your response too, I think the initial post raises some very valid points. I also have been wondering what the Microsoft purhcase of Caligari means? Roman's post about development of morphs in TrueSpace 7.6 did help to ease some of my fears, but I don't like the silence and the uncertainty. I've shelved two projects that I was ready to start in TrueSpace 7.5 because of uncertainty of the future of the software. I've also started to really look at Lightwave as my new 3D frontier because one thing that did shine through from all the chaos a few weeks back was that I was way too reliant on TrueSpace. Once it's future was put into question, I realised I needed to spead my wings.
To this day, many questions are still unanswered and the forums are quiet on the Caligari front. I remember, before the buyout, Roman, Tom, Norm and the rest of the team were active members of our community. Then things went dead silent. Recently I've been pleased to see Tom and Norm back in the community, but Roman has all but disappeared. This is not the same good-vibe place it use to be. There are questions by us users about the future of the tools we love so much and those questions are not being answered. As you said, it's been a long time since the buy out happened. So what's happening, Caligari? Just what does the future hold...? |
Post by Steinie // Mar 25, 2008, 10:59am
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Sorry but I find it comical that questions about trueSpace are being answered by other users and not Caligari. (I've done the same thing because I couldn't stand the silence)
I also want to know what the future of trueSpace as a 3D Application is since MY money is invested in it. I think everyone here has a right to know. |
Post by Jack Edwards // Mar 25, 2008, 12:02pm
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I think you guys are stressing a bit much. There are other softwares out there. What Paul said is right, it's not good to be too reliant on any one 3D software. Any of these companies could get bought out or fold at any time. Heck it wasn't that long ago that Autodesk bought out Maya and all the Maya people were worried that Audodesk would strip out Maya's technology and discontinue it. Yet they still develop and sell both 3dsMax and Maya. For all the talk of "Maximaya" things just continued on as usual.
From what I see with my interaction with Caligari, everything is business as usual. I've got several major projects I'm working on for TrueSpace. I've got scripts and plug-in ideas, with some just planned and others "in the works". Being a beta tester, do you think I'd still be working on these projects if I thought TrueSpace wasn't going to be there?
That said, we as users, shouldn't be buying TrueSpace or any other software for what it will do in the future, but rather for how well it meets our needs to get the work done that we need to get done. If TrueSpace doesn't meet your needs, then you should be saving up and looking for other software that does.
TrueSpace's strength is that it is a good general purpose app and can be the glue that brings your work together but there are specialized apps out there that can do specific things better. I needed superior UV mapping tools, TrueSpace doesn't have them, so I bought UU3D and later Headus UVLayout. Others needed better modeling tools, so they got Silo. Others needed more photo realistic rendering, so they added Kerkythea and 3delight (via Dribble). One of the great advances in the last few years is that we are no longer tied to any one program to get our work done.
Another thing that you guys aren't considering is that even if TrueSpace development were to stop tomorrow. The software we purchased still works and the scripting interface exposes TS data in a way that it's functionality can be continually extended as long as people want to add too it. In many ways it's up to us the userbase to decide do we *want* to use TrueSpace. If not, then what are we still doing here? ;) |
Post by trueBlue // Mar 25, 2008, 12:10pm
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Well said Jack!
Can we sticky this post? :D |
Post by Jack Edwards // Mar 25, 2008, 12:17pm
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LOL thanks trueBlue! :) |
Post by prodigy // Mar 25, 2008, 12:20pm
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Let me add a point Jack, that's true but we (you and me) are a bit less "stressed" due we are working with 7.6 beta for a wile.
Imagine you working with 7.51? :p
I understand you guys.. ;) |
Post by Jack Edwards // Mar 25, 2008, 12:47pm
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Good point, Prodigy! ;) |
Post by jamesmc // Mar 25, 2008, 1:01pm
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Was curious while we are talking about the diversity of software to create 3d and 2d images.
What do people think about XSI Foundation? (the junior version of XSI)
You can message me here in forums if you don't want to discuss it openly. |
Post by RAYMAN // Mar 25, 2008, 3:08pm
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Was curious while we are talking about the diversity of software to create 3d and 2d images.
What do people think about XSI Foundation? (the junior version of XSI)
You can message me here in forums if you don't want to discuss it openly.
Let me say that I am very happy about Jacks words !
He nailed it with his post !
Yes you probably are better off with a new version of Truespace !
Would be sad if not !
Of all the expensive software out there there isnt realy a bad software out
there and what you use very much depends on what you need
and what your workflow looks like !;)
I´m not going to discuss any of them here..... because its not the place
to do it and most people here know it anyhow I´ve introduced them
to some software ....be it free ...already......:D
A table has 4 feet to stand on so why go for one option if you can have more.
One thing I found out about all of them .... there are issues with every one
of them.:D
So far I have not found a perfect software.... so its always a question of
being able to be part of the development !
So we have people who are informed and some people who are´nt !
They take what they get or move on......
When I fix a bycycle I have screwdrivers and a hammer and lots of other tools
so why should it be different when I construct something and render it
in 3D ... I use what I need and what I get !;)
Peter |
Post by hultek43 // Mar 25, 2008, 3:39pm
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Well, for starters, I get a 404 error on this link....http://www.caligari.com/store/special/selection/tS75_upgrade_pre.html
What's up with that? |
Post by Jack Edwards // Mar 25, 2008, 3:47pm
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Hi James,
I've heard good things about XSI and I've seen some nice work out of it. Last I checked they have a free 30-day trial, so that would probably be the best way to judge the software. For me, I found the interface difficult and didn't get to play with it much before the 30 day demo timed out on me. It also left a crapload of registry entries behind when I uninstalled it, so I ended up having to re-install windows... (I was not a happy camper...) of course that was over a year ago, so hopefully that's not a problem anymore. :p
Also informative could be browsing their forums and seeing what features the XSI users are requesting be fixed or added. One complaint that I noticed when I was researching something a few days ago was that they were complaining about not having good tools for working with animating ropes and cords and things like that -- compared to one of the built-in tools in Maya.
XSI Foundation will import TrueSpace exported Collada models and has a good feature set. I'd say that XSI Foundation is a good value at it's price, but a lot of the goodies have been stripped out to get it down to that price. For example hair and cloth have been removed, it's limited to 2 cpus (so quad-core guys are screwed), and to get 64-bit you'd have to step up to the $3000 version...
Carpenter would be the one to ask, he uses both TrueSpace and XSI. |
Post by Jack Edwards // Mar 25, 2008, 3:52pm
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@Hultek, LOL is that the link for 7.5 upgrade pre-orders? Maybe it's a little late to be pre-ordering 7.5. ;)
If that link is still on the website then you've likely found a page that needs updating. Which page did you find it on? |
Post by hultek43 // Mar 25, 2008, 4:00pm
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From here, just click the trueSpace link above and it's in plain sight near the top. |
Post by Jack Edwards // Mar 25, 2008, 4:06pm
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Ah, I found it! Good catch. Yeah that's clearly an outdated link. I'll give the guys a heads up incase they don't see the post here. :D |
Post by transient // Mar 25, 2008, 4:08pm
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Sorry but I find it comical that questions about trueSpace are being answered by other users and not Caligari. (I've done the same thing because I couldn't stand the silence)
I also want to know what the future of trueSpace as a 3D Application is since MY money is invested in it. I think everyone here has a right to know.
Apparently not. |
Post by kena // Mar 25, 2008, 6:15pm
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Aaaaaah... "the right to know". Actually, while we all have the desire to know, we don't have the right. we who purchased version 7.x were given the program with the caveat that it has some known bugs that they are working on.
So... we know that the bugs were being worked on. We HOPE that they are still being worked on.
I've been thinking about the situation very carefully, and have come up with the following. I could be wrong. I don't think so, but then no one who thinks they are right thinks that they are wrong :D
Anyone who may be beta-testing would not be allowed to tell us.
Anyone who may be developing would not be allowed to tell us.
And..... for all we know, Roman may not be allowed to tell us anymore.
Then again, he may be allowed to tell us, but for "reasons of speculation" - chooses not to.
Each and every time a development company's major player has "given information" that I have seen - the following happens:
Their words are picked apart and argued over and speculated about and the doom-sayers have all started to shout about how "The Product" will fail based on one to three words.
Then the really positive people have put an exact opposite spin on things.
When the next update comes out, or (I've seen this happen) the product is discontinued... someone always gets angry and leaves stating that they were lied to.
Let's say that Roman comes in here and just posts:
"We are working on improvements"
Nothing more - innocent statement.
People would start speculating on what the "improvements" are
People would start arguing on what "Working on" really means.
People would start complaining that "We" means Caligari and Microsoft and that Microsoft is totally changing the product to make it into a new version of Excel or something.
My opinion is that Roman has not answered anyone because every time he does, it causes more flack than his statement might warrant.
He cannot post exactly what he is doing, because a competitor can come in here and take up his ideas as their own, and get something out quicker.
He cannot really post some vague statement because the wild speculation will start.
catch 22.
We will find out if and when the next upgrade or version is available. |
Post by prodigy // Mar 25, 2008, 7:43pm
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10 points kena. ;) |
Post by jamesmc // Mar 25, 2008, 8:02pm
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Well, for me 7.6 is going to have to be a spectacular improvement. Either that or I will be moving on.
7.51 was already quite established when I bought it and that was six months ago.
There are several thoughts to fixes and improvements.
Improvements or new features take a long time.
Fixing bugs shouldn't take that long and are often updated by most software creators in periodic releases.
Being an animator wannabe and at heart, I see my chances of staying with tS growing slimmer and slimmer each day.
Having to wait on 'could be' - 'might be' - 'will be as soon as' is not good enough.
Right now tS is more or less just entertainment for me as I can't really get productive with all the kinks and broken springs.
I'm just not staying entertained anymore and my idea bin is being overwhelmed by (oh - I can't do that in tS because of this Vray bug, or I can't do that because the bridge is off, or I can't do that because etc.)
The lack of animation focus in tS has always been here, I just haven't really seen it. To me, if it isn't moving, it isn't 3D, it's just a static image.
Right now learning the Adobe Creative Suite is a huge task and will take a lot of time. So I'm busy with that. Knowing all the effects and things I can do in programs like Photoshop and After Effects will keep me from re-inventing the wheel in 3D programs.
I was viewing the advertisement video for Softimage today and noticed that it opened with customers saying what they liked the best about XSI is that they 'really listened' to their customers.
I, along with others have been doing a lot of yapping lately and it appears no one is listening. |
Post by prodigy // Mar 25, 2008, 8:11pm
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIKkUTn1Wuc
Have fun with real life :) |
Post by W!ZARD // Mar 25, 2008, 8:14pm
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In fact his post was pretty much spot on with what many people have posted at some point. He may have erred at the beginning with his stake on "leaving everyone confused etc.", but that's just nitpicking.
Sorry Transient but I consider it something more serious than nitpicking - you are of course perfectly correct to point out that 2much4U's post echoed sentiments expressed by some others on this forum so at least we can agree on that point!:D
I have no problems with people stating their fears and wanting answers. I do have a problem with inflationary language and emotional exaggeration which has the potential to be misleading to newcomers and casual visitors to these forums.
As I've repeatedly tried to say - I can see no evidence whatsoever for all these predictions of doom and when I question the reasoning behind them I rarely receive anything approaching a reasoned response. In addition I've consistently backed up my own opinions with reasoned discussion as to why I hold those opinions.
Maybe if more people spoke out we would have the answers by now, good for you.What makes you say this? It seems to me that even if every tS user in the world went and stood outside Caligari's office waving placards and singing protest songs in 3 part harmony Caligari still could not tell us things that they themselves do not yet know. If there were things they could tell us don't you think they would tell us?
I see the 'lack of answers' to be perfectly normal from a company undergoing transitions. We will all find out what we need to find out when it is appropriate - meanwhile needless and unreasonable fears are surely neither needed nor reasonable.:)
I don't have a problem with his comment(s) either, as I have been wondering myself. KeithC I really don't have a problem with his comments either - my issue is with the emotive and misleading manner that the comments are expressed with, as in my opinion, they could be misleading. Believe me I'm wondering as much as the next person about how things will turn out with my favourite software - I just can't see any point in stressing out about things beyond my control.
I'm going out on a limb here, but customers are the ones who pay the bills and keep the wheels of any company turning....right?Absolutely! It's certainly good business policy to listen to your customers and to try to provide them with the best service and information possible. Companies that fail to do this will obviously lose customers.
However, this does not mean that the company should be divulging commercially sensitive information, particularly when they are not in a position to practically do so.
Bottom line is this, at least IMHO. When Caligari knows the answers to the questions, we will know. When Caligari and Microsoft have agreed they are both legally in the clear to discuss all relevant information, they will do so.
Caligari is not being tight lipped just because they feel like it and don't feel like answering every single question under the sun.
Yes, I too want to know "what will happen". In the end, I will either support the end result with continued purchases, or I will just say, screw it, and save my money.
In the meantime, wanting answers simply will not help.Damn Froo - I wish I could have said it that well with that number of words. You have encapsulated my own thoughts exactly!
I also have been wondering what the Microsoft purhcase of Caligari means?I am wondering the same thing Paul. What I'm also trying to do is maintain a positive outlook. My positive outlook may end up being completely unfounded. On the other hand, there is the negative outlook which some folk are expressing (as is their right). In the absence of concrete information that negative outlook may well also end up being completely unfounded. (In the end I suspect both outlooks will be wrong as they are both based on insufficient information).
For me it becomes a very simple equation - right now, today, which outlook is the most pleasant, rewarding and enjoyable outlook? Looking forward to a brighter future is simply more fun than looking forward to gloom and doom so I will continue to choose and support the positive outlook for as long as it seems reasonable to do so.:)
Sorry but I find it comical that questions about trueSpace are being answered by other users and not Caligari.I'm not clear on what you mean there Bob. If you are saying that I'm answering questions about trueSpace (instead of Caligari) let me say that this is not my intention. I am expressing my own reasoned opinions based on my own knowledge and life experience in as honest and straightforward a way as I know how. I'm objecting to emotive and misleading language and I'm advocating a positive outlook in the absence of any clear evidence that such an outlook is misplaced. If you see something comical in that perhaps you could share the joke - I enjoy a good laugh;).
I also want to know what the future of trueSpace as a 3D Application is since MY money is invested in it. I think everyone here has a right to know.You invested money in a product, a software package, and a reasonable degree of after sales support and service. I suspect that you have probably received those items therefore an equitable and agreed transaction has been made, money and goods and services of an equal value have been exchanged. It stopped being YOUR money the moment you took possession of the software and agreed to the license terms.
I don't see how buying a company's product gives you the right to know anything about that company that is not freely shared. If Caligari demanded to know personal information about you and your plans for your future, would they then have a 'right to know' based on the fact that you once had a business transaction with them?
I buy bread from my baker - I give him money, he gives me bread. This does not give me the right to know that he is selling his bakery to a national chain and will also be making bagels for the export market.
I drive a car which I bought near new from a second hand dealer - neither the dealer nor the manufacturer of the car have any obligation whatsoever to tell me anything, least of all information which may well be confidential, commercially sensitive or simply not yet entirely confirmed. This is the reality in our consumer driven society and I suggest that any expectations that this does not apply to Caligari are misplaced, unfounded and unrealistic.
Bob, you say you think everyone has a right to know - my question is, what do you base that on? Why do you think everyone has a right to know? I've attempted to explain the reasoning behind why I believe that no such right exists - can you explain why you think it does exist? If it turns out I'm mistaken then I would like to know how.
@JackEdwards - Brilliant post Jack! Maybe I should just bow out and refer the doomsayers and stress-bunnies to you and Froo in future:o
@Kena - well said my friend, bravo. I was going to raise similar points myself but you got there first! |
Post by transient // Mar 25, 2008, 9:16pm
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Bob, you say you think everyone has a right to know - my question is, what do you base that on? Why do you think everyone has a right to know? I've attempted to explain the reasoning behind why I believe that no such right exists - can you explain why you think it does exist? If it turns out I'm mistaken then I would like to know how.
I think an eight year old would know by now why people are getting pissed. Why it goes over your head is anyone's guess.
I think the thing that surprises me is how little traffic this forum gets, and how few people are still asking the hard questions. Maybe the sale to Microsoft was more of a necessity than the opportunity than we've been led to believe.
Go to Daz and have a look at the Carrara or Hex forums. One bug gets mountains of attention. And it then gets fixed...eventually, but it gets fixed.
I think I'm now beginning to understand where the rot began in truespace to begin with. |
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