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This is why collaboration is so important...
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This is why collaboration is so important... // Roundtable
Post by W!ZARD // Apr 7, 2008, 5:49pm
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Check out this article from Timesonline (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/science/article3689881.ece) and think about what this could mean for trueSpace and us users in the next decade!
Imagine the implications for users of trueSpace 10!
This is just one reason why I believe anyone not embracing the new realtime architecture as it develops will soon be left doing the electronic version of painting on cave walls. |
Post by transient // Apr 7, 2008, 6:04pm
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I agree it's a nice idea, but that last statement was ridiculous. |
Post by spacekdet // Apr 7, 2008, 6:07pm
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I have absolutely no expectation that anything I produce in my lifetime will still be around in 10,000 years.
Anyone want to help me find a cave to paint? |
Post by frootee // Apr 7, 2008, 6:47pm
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I have absolutely no expectation that anything I produce in my lifetime will still be around in 10,000 years.
Anyone want to help me find a cave to paint?
OOOhhGaah! |
Post by W!ZARD // Apr 7, 2008, 7:06pm
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I agree it's a nice idea, but that last statement was ridiculous.
Why is it ridiculous? Are you just taking another pot shot at me or do you have a reason for saying it's ridiculous? Fair enough if you don't agree with the statement (which was intended to be tongue-in-cheek) but please don't just sweep in and make some insulting remark without having the decency to justify it.
An Internet with speeds 10,000 times faster than today's broadband will change the nature of everyday computing. Realtime ultra-high-definition raytraced immersive 3d environments with highly realistic avatars will quite possibly make our current practices of offline rendering and avatars that look like salt pots as obsolete as Beta Video Tapes and 12 inch vinyl records. Whilst the comparison to cave paintings was admittedly light-hearted there is nothing at all ridiculous about the principle - unless of course you care to explain why you think it's ridiculous. |
Post by transient // Apr 7, 2008, 8:31pm
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Why is it ridiculous? Are you just taking another pot shot at me or do you have a reason for saying it's ridiculous?
It wasn't personal, just my opinion (as was the "I agree it's nice" part that you conveniently ignored), and really we're talking black kettles if you want to go down that road.
I think my original post was pretty clear, I'll let others decide if I was being harsh. Maybe you you need to take some time away from the forums as you're getting worked up over nothing imo. |
Post by Blue Bellyfluff // Apr 7, 2008, 9:32pm
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Why is it ridiculous? Are you just taking another pot shot at me or do you have a reason for saying it's ridiculous? Fair enough if you don't agree with the statement (which was intended to be tongue-in-cheek) but please don't just sweep in and make some insulting remark without having the decency to justify it.
Why is everyone so tense these days. Chill out peeps
An Internet with speeds 10,000 times faster than today's broadband will change the nature of everyday computing. Realtime ultra-high-definition raytraced immersive 3d environments with highly realistic avatars will quite possibly make our current practices of offline rendering and avatars that look like salt pots as obsolete as Beta Video Tapes and 12 inch vinyl records.
Personally I would like to see 3D interfaces become a part of everyday use.
How about seeing the weatherforecast in 3D on your dinertable? And booking an hotel but walking trough it in full 3D in advance? I think Truespace has a great potentional here!
The one thing I do not see happening is this whole collaboration thing and realtime creation of content. Maybe it is because im an einselganger I prefere to model offline. |
Post by W!ZARD // Apr 7, 2008, 9:33pm
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It wasn't personal, just my opinion (as was the "I agree it's nice" part that you conveniently ignored), and really we're talking black kettles if you want to go down that road.
I think my original post was pretty clear, I'll let others decide if I was being harsh. Maybe you you need to take some time away from the forums as you're getting worked up over nothing imo.
I made a comment - you called it ridiculous - I think I'm entitled to ask why. <Shrugs>
Worked up? Not even close!:D Mildy disappointed might be closer to the mark. You have a habit of expressing vaguely hostile opinions which you then fail to support. Again here, despite my request that you explain what it was that you found ridiculous, you have once again not bothered to attempt to justify that opinion.
In the absence of any reasoning to support your opinion your remarks begin to look like little more than random insults. <Shrugs again>
I enjoy lively debate Transient but vague unsupported put-downs are just a disappointment.
Your apparent inability or refusal to explain what you mean suggests your opinions lack substance - care to explain why I should get worked up over substanceless opinions? |
Post by W!ZARD // Apr 7, 2008, 9:55pm
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Why is everyone so tense these days. Chill out peeps
This isn't tense Blue Bellyfluff - it's just the way Transient and I communicate with each other;). I'll say something and usually try to explain why I say it - he responds with some vague passive-aggressive remark which I then ask him to explain or justify. Usually, (maybe because he can't, maybe he's got better things to do - who knows?) he'll ignore my request for an explanation and stay quiet for a while until another opportunity for a thinly veiled insult presents itself and the dance begins again. It's all good fun really.
Personally I would like to see 3D interfaces become a part of everyday use.
How about seeing the weatherforecast in 3D on your dinertable? And booking an hotel but walking trough it in full 3D in advance? I think Truespace has a great potentional here!
The one thing I do not see happening is this whole collaboration thing and realtime creation of content. Maybe it is because im an einselganger I prefere to model offline.
At the moment I prefer to work mostly alone and offline - but with upload/download speeds as fast as this grid can supply I foresee a time when the distinction between online and offline becomes meaningless. Home PC's and laptops of today will be replaced by simpler interface units and all our computing will effectively be online - whether in collaboration with others or as an individual.
Erm - what's an einselganger? |
Post by Norm // Apr 8, 2008, 6:05am
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I am not sure that you would do modeling online the same as offline. Online, you get to share your knowledge and experience with others and vice versa. There will come a time when the inet is indeed fast and realtime modeling would indeed become viable for many. Is like the article says, will come a time when you will store your data online rather than on your machine.
You could be modeling online using processing power from any number of other machines, in the presence of no one else. Solitude will always be part of the artistic process. Other times you would be geared up to work online with others on a project and benefit greatly because of this capability. You have to admit, you learn faster in presence of others than you do by yourself. |
Post by W!ZARD // Apr 8, 2008, 3:33pm
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I am not sure that you would do modeling online the same as offline. Online, you get to share your knowledge and experience with others and vice versa. There will come a time when the inet is indeed fast and realtime modeling would indeed become viable for many. Is like the article says, will come a time when you will store your data online rather than on your machine.
You could be modeling online using processing power from any number of other machines, in the presence of no one else. Solitude will always be part of the artistic process. Other times you would be geared up to work online with others on a project and benefit greatly because of this capability. You have to admit, you learn faster in presence of others than you do by yourself.
Today with broadband many people do their emailing online - (Gmail, Yahoomail etc) - others use their own PC based email application like Outlook Express. We do a lot of data storage online also so it seems like a logical step that, given fast enough connection speeds, we do our actual processing 'online' as well.
I know there are companies developing softscreen technology, where the monitor is a floppy piece of touch sensitive plastic embedded with LCD.s like a flexible flatscreen monitor. Such an interface device, connected wirelessly to a superfast internet grid would make personal hard drives obsolete as all computing would be done on the grid - alone or in collaboration.
The first computers filled entire buildings - where will the computers of the future be? |
Post by trueBlue // Apr 9, 2008, 10:28am
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Maybe instead of Collaboration we could just think it and go there!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/04/02/eakaku102.xml |
Post by hultek43 // Apr 9, 2008, 1:39pm
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Not sure if high-speed will ever arrive here without paying an arm and a leg for it. When I bothered to check last I was redirected to a future notification form...Modeling doesn't normally take oodles of power for that step. It's when you choose to render something that you need the extra cpu's to see the render before you snooze. It's really a drag when you render to file and it isn't done when the sun is high in the sky the next day. That takes all the fun out of it. Twenty-six hours and only half done, one static frame and you say ho-hum.:( And so the scene dies on your hard drive.. |
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