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Vue 6 Pro Studio
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Vue 6 Pro Studio // Roundtable
Post by jamesmc // Apr 11, 2008, 7:11am
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It's half off now if anyone uses Vue Products. (50 percent off) |
Post by W!ZARD // Apr 11, 2008, 9:59pm
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It's half off now if anyone uses Vue Products. (50 percent off)
Thanks for the heads up James - most appreciated! I'll be juggling my finances to make it before the offer closes but I think I can make it ok! |
Post by kena // Apr 12, 2008, 8:14pm
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I would have to upgrade to xStream, since I have Infinite now... but it is a good price if you have a lower version. Check the sidegrade options when you order. |
Post by andras // Apr 13, 2008, 9:40am
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Hmmm it is relly good news unfortunately I have already bought an useless Ts7.51 in winter hence I have not money :( |
Post by W!ZARD // Apr 14, 2008, 2:46am
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I would have to upgrade to xStream, since I have Infinite now... but it is a good price if you have a lower version. Check the sidegrade options when you order.
Infinite? Nice if you can afford it! I'm going to go the sidegrade (is that a real word ;)) option as I currently have Vue 5 Esprit.
Hmmm it is relly good news unfortunately I have already bought an useless Ts7.51 in winter hence I have not money "Useless"?! What are you trying to do with it - plenty of people around here not only making good use of tS7.5 but also singing it's praises and saying how good it is. I'm thinking your looking at a half empty cup that's actually 85% full.;)
If you need help using it there's plenty of folk around here happy to offer advice and assistance. |
Post by Tiles // Apr 14, 2008, 3:13am
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plenty of people around here not only making good use of tS7.5 but also singing it's praises and saying how good it is.
And more plenty does not ;) |
Post by transient // Apr 14, 2008, 4:29am
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I think Andras is trying to use vray for archviz (please correct me if I'm wrong), and the transparency bug (plus others) are stopping him from getting his work done. Hence, he thinks it's useless, because for him, it is.
This isn't a glass is half full situation, it's a glass won't render properly issue, as it has been for months. Hence the growing frustration with some users since we still haven't been told whether this is being fixed or whether we have blown our cash.
I'm over it (I'm already using other software for this), but some aren't.
I'm struggling to understand why this isn't getting through. |
Post by kena // Apr 14, 2008, 4:46am
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Please note that people singing praises mostly do not have v-ray. The problem then is not that TS7.51 is bad, but v-ray for it is. W!ZARD uses a lot of real-time shaders, and does a fantastic job with it! I myself have v-ray and do not use it anymore because of the bugs it has.
remember that v-ray is not TS. it is one of 4 in-house options for TS. The one of the 4 that, quite frankly, has fallen on it's rear-end. I make due with Lightworks and real-time until I get a v-ray that works as it should. |
Post by W!ZARD // Apr 14, 2008, 5:02am
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I think Andras is trying to use vray for archviz (please correct me if I'm wrong), and the transparency bug (plus others) are stopping him from getting his work done. Hence, he thinks it's useless, because for him, it is.
This isn't a glass is half full situation, it's a glass won't render properly issue, as it has been for months. Hence the growing frustration with some users since we still haven't been told whether this is being fixed or whether we have blown our cash.
I'm over it (I'm already using other software for this), but some aren't.
I'm struggling to understand why this isn't getting through.
Thanks for the explanation Transient.
So glass won't render properly in V-Ray? Seems to me that it renders fine in LightWorks, DX9, VirtuaLight which all come with tS plus additional 3rd party apps like Dribble and Kerky. That's 6 rendering options and one of them won't work for one specific task?
Don't you think that makes the statement that tS7.51 is 'useless' a little bit overstated?
If V-ray is useless at rendering glass that should be said - saying that tS is useless because V-ray does not do one of the things you want it to do is inaccurate, misleading and a grossly unfair exaggeration.
Re "I'm already using other software for this" - That sounds like a sensible solution.
Re "I'm struggling to understand why this isn't getting through." Um - There are 20.000 lights on the Eiffel Tower - just because 100 or so of the bulbs have blown out does not mean the Eiffel Tower's lighting does not work - seems pretty easy to understand to me. People keep saying tS does not work yet I use it almost every day and it's working for me. The question in my mind is, who are these people trying to convince?
And more plenty does not And you have tabulated the actual numbers of people who say tS does not work compared to those who are somehow using it anyway? Or is that just an emotive guess based on your own preconceptions? ;) |
Post by transient // Apr 14, 2008, 5:04am
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remember that v-ray is not TS. it is one of 4 in-house options for TS.
I know all of this, I've been using it since it came out. Please read my post again, especially the glass bit.;)
I can't respond to your post Wizard because it's extremely condescending, and you obviously aren't listening. I'm not an idiot, please stop treating me like one. |
Post by frootee // Apr 14, 2008, 5:25am
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Well, VRay costs $299. Folks that bought it, even at a $199 price tag, are disappointed in its performance due to certain bugs. It sounds like the main one is this glass issue.
So since they paid that chunk of money, and it has these issues, they are disappointed. Even more disappointing is there are no other rendering options currently available on the workspace side, except for the real time renderer.
If I had $199 or $299 something at home or the car would break and I'd have to pay at least that much to get it fixed; for example, our shredder broke; gotta get a new one. I tried the barbecue once for getting rid of documents; I'll never do that again. Ashes Ashes Everywhere. I tried the fireplace too. Not good. One of our cats got in there and laid down in it. I thought they were a stray that somehow got in the house; I didn't recognize him! But I digress Big Time.
So let's see... Vue 6 Pro eh? Anyone like it? Anyone Not like it? Why and why not? |
Post by transient // Apr 14, 2008, 5:33am
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Well, VRay costs $299. Folks that bought it, even at a $199 price tag, are disappointed in its performance due to certain bugs. It sounds like the main one is this glass issue.
So since they paid that chunk of money, and it has these issues, they are disappointed. What really sucks is there are no other rendering options currently available on the workspace side, except for the real time renderer.
Yep, that's pretty much it. Of course there are those that don't like 7.5 for other reasons, but that sums up my main issues.
If vray for max had these problems, or anything in max really had these problems, it would be a bloodbath.
I think the more zealous users of tS maybe need to understand that the criticism it gets is on the extreme end of tame considering it's issues. |
Post by frootee // Apr 14, 2008, 5:51am
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Thanks transient. I think I should carry any of my thoughts on truespace over to another thread since this is about Vue. :)
OK so, about Vue?
Anyone like / dislike it? Why and Why not? |
Post by W!ZARD // Apr 14, 2008, 6:05am
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I know all of this, I've been using it since it came out. Please read my post again, especially the glass bit.;)
I can't respond to your post Wizard because it's extremely condescending, and you obviously aren't listening. I'm not an idiot, please stop treating me like one.
My apologies if my tone came across as condescending Transient. It is not my intention to be insulting or personal with my remarks. It is certainly not my intention to treat you or anyone like an idiot.
I sympathise though if that is how you feel - I too believe I'm being treated like an idiot when a tool that is working for me is described by others as not working.
Consider this - several days ago I noticed the forum visitor stats - 66 people visiting the forums, only 6 members. That means that potentially there were 60 visitors here who may have been contemplating purchasing trueSpace.
Those 60 visitors reading false and exaggerated claims like "trueSpace does not work" may decide to take their custom elsewhere. That's 60 potential lost purchases which could have provided some of the necessary funding to allow Caligari to attend to the very bugs these exaggerators are complaining about.
Some many complaints - often exaggerated and inflated for dramatic effect - could quite possibly drive away far more custom than a few bugs and a widespread update release system.
This makes me angry and I apologise if I took some of that out on you - it's not a personal thing I assure you. |
Post by brotherx // Apr 14, 2008, 6:10am
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If vray for max had these problems, or anything in max really had these problems, it would be a bloodbath.
Maybe, but then they pay nearly $1000 for the use of VRay and if I had spent that much I'd be angry. I spent $200 and in my opinion, while everyone else says it's broken, it works for me.
Thing is, it may well be full of bugs but for what I do, it does the job and that's mainly that it lets me render from workspace. To be honest, not having booleans, nurbs, exporting .x from workspace or some other features is more of a hinderance than the glass not rendering correctly. Also, if I remember right, doesn't 1.51 of VRay render it correctly, if a little slow??
Truespace has its faults, I think pretty much everyone acknowledges that. However to say it is useless is, well, an exaggeration - to me, useless means you cannot use it for any purpose at all.
Here's the thing you see, I looked at some of the animations in Cararra 5 Pro and while the software looks pretty good, is fairly easy to use and was free from 3d world, the physics sucks. You kick off the animation and it pauses while it thinks, shows you a bit, thinks some more, yada yada yada...10 second clip finishes 3 minutes later. Now, Truespace, hit the physics sim button and away it goes.
The point is while it's not perfect by a long shot, and nothing really is, it has some pretty awesome features.
I'm sure someone will find this condescending too but who cares - they probably don't listen. |
Post by W!ZARD // Apr 14, 2008, 6:14am
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:)
OK so, about Vue?
Anyone like / dislike it? Why and Why not?
I can only talk about Vue 5 Esprit at this stage and I have to say I love it. It's facility with simulating natural light is superb it has one of the best Material Editors I've found and it's good with creating landscapes - I've seen some very good work done with it.
On the downside, I don't think it's much good for modelling - specially compared to more modelling oriented apps. I don't like the scene navigation system - I've been spoiled by tS interface.
I also don't necessarily like the way that many Vue users pose other peoples commercially available models rather than creating their own models from scratch as most tS users do. That's a personal choice though. ( |
Post by frootee // Apr 14, 2008, 6:21am
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Hm. I see. Thanks W!zard.
Is it a good value at half off, given the plusses and minuses?
Doh... I think I heard something clank in my car... dang.. shouldn't have had that 'purchase' thought... :rolleyes: |
Post by jamesmc // Apr 14, 2008, 6:27am
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I use the freebie version of Vue Infinite.
It's good for importing various file formats. Google Sketchup is one. Can use the free Google Sketchup, save in version 4 and import into Vue Infinite and then export back out in another format. Saves a lot of coin in both ways. :)
Can export some of the built-ins, although there is not much to export. Generally, a good planning software (the free version)
I'd buy the full version, but don't really need it.
I can fake a lot of stuff (just like Hollywood) with Adobe production Suite (After Effects Pro, PhotoShop CS3 Extended and Premiere Pro, Flash Pro, Illustrator) so don't really need a lot of things that Vue offers.
Appears to be a good deal though. |
Post by frootee // Apr 14, 2008, 6:51am
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Thanks James. I just might check it out then. :)
Froo |
Post by jamesmc // Apr 14, 2008, 7:11am
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Thanks James. I just might check it out then. :)
Froo
Forgot to add it's called Vue 6 Infinite PLE (personal learning edition) Huge download :)
Here's the work flow. (forgot to include the texture on export from Vue6PLE, but you get the idea. :)
Make model in Sketchup - Save as Version 4 SKP file
Import into Vue6PLE
Export in File format of Choice
Import into truespace |
Post by andras // Apr 16, 2008, 11:55am
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Please note that people singing praises mostly do not have v-ray. The problem then is not that TS7.51 is bad, but v-ray for it is. W!ZARD uses a lot of real-time shaders, and does a fantastic job with it! I myself have v-ray and do not use it anymore because of the bugs it has.
remember that v-ray is not TS. it is one of 4 in-house options for TS. The one of the 4 that, quite frankly, has fallen on it's rear-end. I make due with Lightworks and real-time until I get a v-ray that works as it should.
The probleme is not only with V-ray but with Workspace and Modeler Bridge:
We have 2 software same time! And it is not ideal.
Currently:
There are texture - bridge issue.
and some import (OBJ) freezy issue (the Blender is more faster then TS)
and If I imported an OBJ file the whole system an is one object! And If I press "Decompose object" command TS start loading loading loading......And my head will be red:mad: and I have not enough time.
About 2-3 day ago I tried make an interior scene. I try again maybe the stupid is not TS but maybe myself. I try to import an CAD file from OBJ format. with special script and internal too. But when I press "Decompose object" command I say : ENOUGH.!. What count it is? maybe the "Worrld Equation"? finaly I press X
anyway the realtime physics will be fantastic (especialy realtime cloth...hmmm wonderful on the video!)
BUT I will never use that in the future in vizualization. and the poligon modeling is awesome and more easy then Blender BUT I only use Nurbs because of accuracy (but unfortunately it TS's Nurbs is not accurate Than Moi).
I say again: TS is not bad just for visualization it is useless an unconfortable. So not only V-ray. |
Post by Burnart // Apr 16, 2008, 1:14pm
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As I said somewhere else the problem and frustration with 7.51 is that too many people are finding themselves unable to output from the workspace side - images, animation etc. It does what it does very nicely but it can't be used as is in peoples workflow so they spend most of their time in modeller (ie 6.6) thereby missing out on the benefit of the new tools. I've learnt a hell of a lot about 6.6 since I got 7.5!!
Anyway back to Vue 6 Pro - a great tool so if need it for your stuff then go for it on special. I've used some earlier versions and I agree with Wizard about the material editing in Vue its very powerful, logical and easy. The more sophisticated you get as a user the more options you find available to you. I gather the latest version keeps the same approach with some extra features. When terragen 2 went to a fully node based system for all this stuff I through up my hands in despair! |
Post by RAYMAN // Apr 16, 2008, 3:19pm
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I cant say anything about Vue studio because I have vue 6 Inf !
Its worth every penny !
You can use it to make backgrounds for Truespace .... to render to export trees... theres tons of uses i have for Vue 6 Infinite.
make Hdris etc.
Its great !;)
Peter |
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