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Discussions about trueSpace 7.6 (no really)
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Discussions about trueSpace 7.6 (no really) // Roundtable
Post by Tiles // Apr 14, 2008, 7:13am
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Ever notice how small the blender download is?
That's because it has no modeler and no bridge ... :D
Point with the non existant GUI is that i simply cannot get used to something that hurts my fingers in the way blender hotkeys does. Ouch. That's the proof that aliens exists. |
Post by frootee // Apr 14, 2008, 7:18am
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That's true too.
It's one application, not two.
But again, the interface is minimal, which makes it difficult to use at first. To me, it's like learning to type, or play guitar. You have to do it again and again and again, til you know where the windows / keys are.
And also, few if any textures and examples.
You are provided with the application, and that's it. Everything else: docs, examples, textures, etc. are separate downloads, mostly from the users.
I wonder exactly how many code contributors there are for the blender movement. What's really cool is the source code is freely available for modifications.
I am especially interested in the fluid simulator code by Nils Theurry. Groovy stuff! |
Post by frootee // Apr 14, 2008, 7:19am
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That's because it has no modeler and no bridge ... :D
Point with the non existant GUI is that i simply cannot get used to something that hurts my fingers in the way blender hotkeys does. Ouch. That's the proof that aliens exists.
Yeah but at least it works eh? :cool: |
Post by Tiles // Apr 14, 2008, 7:50am
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I wanted to say that it doesn't work for me. I regularly try to find my way into Blender. I regularly fail.
I learn 10 hotkeys, and when i have learned the 11th i have forgotten the 10th. Same doesn't happen with buttons that has icons. I am a very visual person. Show me a button with an icon and i know what it is good for. And even when not, i can hover with the mouse over it and have a look what the tooltip tells me. Try that with hotkeys :P
Even when i was able to keep the most important hotkeys in mind i am in trouble with pressing the keys. I have to look at my keyboard, away from what i am working at. Which interrupts my workflow. And after 10 minutes my fingers starts to pain from the permanent pressing of the keys.
Yes. There is a button menu. But even here you have to battle. Too cluttered. And some items appear and disappear in a for me not understandable pattern.
Blender takes eons to learn. And is very uncomfortable to use and not faster than the button driven interface that trueSpace has. I was told it again and again but for me it is ways slower.
That is simply my experience with Blender. It is for me no alternative because it lacks of a working GUI :) |
Post by jamesmc // Apr 14, 2008, 7:52am
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I wanted to say that it doesn't work for me. I regularly try to find my way into Blender. I regularly fail.
I learn 10 hotkeys, and when i have learned the 11th i have forgotten the 10th. Same doesn't happen with buttons that has icons. I am a very visual person. Show me a button with an icon and i know what it is good for. And even when not, i can hover with the mouse over it and have a look what the tooltip tells me. Try that with hotkeys :P
Even when i was able to keep the most important hotkeys in mind i am in trouble with pressing the buttons. I have to look at my keyboard, away from what i am working at. Which interrupts my workflow. And after 10 minutes my fingers starts to pain from the permanent pressing of the keys.
Yes. There is a button menu. But even here you have to battle. Too cluttered. And some items appear and disappear in a for me not understandable pattern.
Blender takes eons to learn. And is very uncomfortable to use and not faster than the button driven interface that trueSpace has.
That is simply my experience with Blender. It is for me no alternative because it lacks of a working GUI :)
Surprised no enterprising Blenderite hasn't made a keyboard template and macro guide.
Keyboard template covers and macro cards were popular back in the days of WordStar (old word processing program) :D |
Post by frootee // Apr 14, 2008, 8:31am
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well that's one really nice thing about truespace: the icons (Thanks Splinters!). I get lost with blender also; yeah, the windows all look the same, with buttons big and small and funny words and numbers and signs all over them. After awhile they all start to look like Rorsach pictures (those things psychiatrists use... not that I'd know... :D ) |
Post by jayr // Apr 14, 2008, 10:06am
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I knew it (I could tell by your robot avatar); you're from the future, aren't you? ;)
Dammit you've found me out! :D
It was 4.3 then, it's funny i tried using version 6.0 the other day and realized how much i've adjusted to 7.5. |
Post by moogaloonie // Apr 17, 2008, 8:57am
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I wanted to say that it doesn't work for me. I regularly try to find my way into Blender. I regularly fail.
I learn 10 hotkeys, and when i have learned the 11th i have forgotten the 10th. Same doesn't happen with buttons that has icons. I am a very visual person. Show me a button with an icon and i know what it is good for. And even when not, i can hover with the mouse over it and have a look what the tooltip tells me. Try that with hotkeys :P
Even when i was able to keep the most important hotkeys in mind i am in trouble with pressing the keys. I have to look at my keyboard, away from what i am working at. Which interrupts my workflow. And after 10 minutes my fingers starts to pain from the permanent pressing of the keys.
Yes. There is a button menu. But even here you have to battle. Too cluttered. And some items appear and disappear in a for me not understandable pattern.
Blender takes eons to learn. And is very uncomfortable to use and not faster than the button driven interface that trueSpace has. I was told it again and again but for me it is ways slower.
That is simply my experience with Blender. It is for me no alternative because it lacks of a working GUI :)
I can maybe say this here without being treated like a moron. It's because blender comes from the Linux community, I believe, that the UI is hot key based. When I used to use Caligari Broadcast on my Amiga, I didn't even think about my keyboard. It sat upright on the floor hanging from its cable. That's because Caligari Broadcast (and almost every other tool I used in those days before I was online) was a GUI based application. I could run it from an icon, double click a file name, work for 3 or 4 hours, resave and go to bed without once touching the keyboard. Maybe I'd pick it up once in a while to enter a new name for an object or scene, but that was about it. Linux users are command line happy to begin with, and most probably have shortcuts memorised for every function of every program they use. When I complain about blender's so-retro-it's-modern interface I'm told that I need to learn these key commands and how much time it will save. Sorry guys, but you seem to have missed the whole point of GUIs and mouses. I'd rather have a tool designed by artists for programmers than a tool designed by programmers for artists. Caligari Broadcast had it right almost 15 years ago, though I worry sometimes that even Caligari have lost sight of what they pioneered. |
Post by transient // Apr 17, 2008, 3:09pm
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I learn 10 hotkeys, and when i have learned the 11th i have forgotten the 10th. Same doesn't happen with buttons that has icons. I am a very visual person. Show me a button with an icon and i know what it is good for. And even when not, i can hover with the mouse over it and have a look what the tooltip tells me. Try that with hotkeys :P
This is why I like 6.6 interface so much. Everything, including the dozens of plug-ins I'm now using, are just laid out in front of me. I think this would have been a bit cluttered at lower resolutions (which I've read is a common complaint of 6.6 from disgruntled ex-users), but at 1280+ it's great.
I find 6.6 to be much more "open" than other apps, including 7.5.
I also love how all I have to do is hold the cursor over an icon and hit ctrl-F1 to set up a new hotkey. This means I can set hotkeys on-the-fly - there's really no need to remember dozens of shortcuts, because I can easily just set them as I need them. Very cool. |
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