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Post by 2much4U // Apr 19, 2008, 5:14am
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Hi all,
Over the course of my time here at the Caligari Forums, I've noticed that it is frequent to get little or no replies in many of my threads. I've thought in the past that it's because I'm not giving enough contributions myself, though even as I've increased my activity, nothing seems to change.:( I'm posting this thread as a question: why is the forum so unresponsive at times? And why to certain members such as myself more than others? I'm not trying to sound so negative, it's just that I find it difficult to sit and watch while not asking why.:confused: |
Post by jamesmc // Apr 19, 2008, 5:39am
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Hi all,
Over the course of my time here at the Caligari Forums, I've noticed that it is frequent to get little or no replies in many of my threads. I've thought in the past that it's because I'm not giving enough contributions myself, though even as I've increased my activity, nothing seems to change.:( I'm posting this thread as a question: why is the forum so unresponsive at times? And why to certain members such as myself more than others? I'm not trying to sound so negative, it's just that I find it difficult to sit and watch while not asking why.:confused:
Me? I usually respond to everything, whether wanted or not. :D
Sometimes I can be a stick in the mud though.
I'm a self-admitted attention chimp as well. You know, "look at me - over here."
If we met in real life, I would probably be more kidding around and patronizing to you, as I'm about 40+ years older. :D
You know, the annoying older uncle. :) |
Post by manxie // Apr 19, 2008, 5:49am
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Hi 2much4u,
I think sometimes the time of day that we post a thread makes a difference,
also we tend to view more posts than reply to them, If you take a look at the amount of views some threads get compared to reply's you will see what I mean. :) |
Post by Emma // Apr 19, 2008, 5:57am
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Guess it's just how life is, so nothing special and nothing against you.
If you look at all my posts for example you'll see that some of them never got any response (but whatever I offered for download on those postings was downloaded for example) You'll find others who publish whatever something and immediately get a whole bunch of replys.
So don't hesitate to keep on posting. Watch the counter for those postings and you'll notice they are read by people. This means you give others something to think about and that is all that count's in a forum.
If you really need replys for something then reply for yourself after a while and write "I wan't comments for this, and when I'll be looking again tomorrow I want a whole bunch of them :rolleyes:! ! ! "
Something like that helps to move peopel above their point of lazyness :D |
Post by hultek43 // Apr 19, 2008, 6:05am
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It depends on the post made, as well as it's content. Time of day or night is NOT a factor as far as I can tell. Soliciting for comments on your artwork may result in many views with few posts. Asking for criticism usually gets it. Calling out for help will normally get useful replies. Don't feel like the Lone Ranger.:) |
Post by 2much4U // Apr 19, 2008, 6:12am
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I suppose it really does matter the content of the original posting. I mean, look at this thread for example: I posted it an hour ago and it's already been replied to four times! :/
I guess I'll just have to post more content in my WIPs; perhaps people are getting bored. If I was in their possition, I'd probably do likewise. ;) |
Post by frootee // Apr 19, 2008, 6:17am
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well quite honestly if you were complaining about 7.51 you'd be flooded with replies, both agreeing and disagreeing with you.
I read posts, just don't have time to reply, or simply, I have nothing to say/add.
But I like your work. Keep it up. :)
Froo |
Post by Wigand // Apr 19, 2008, 6:33am
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For me it is so, that I can read the posts at my job, but don't want to reply.
Cause I am not allowed to.
At home, I have not much time. I need much to long to answer a mail, because it is not my language.
I posted some, in my opinion, interesting features for TS, and got no response.
Months later an other member picked it up again and people became impressed.
Sometimes I think it depend on the title, sometimes if it is written in a
amusing way. I really don't know. |
Post by RAYMAN // Apr 19, 2008, 8:24am
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It happens to me too !
Up to a point that I posted a wip with the name
Roman called !
Its a fact that some get more attention then others ... its just going
to ring a bell to some of these people if those that dont get the attention
just move on to another forum..... !
It will be noticed if just five of the people will be left !
Club of the last dye hard !:(
Plus a few of those that constantly tell us how buggy and bad
Truespace is....... !
Well simple if you dont like it dont post it and dont use it !;)
theres plenty of 3d out there......
But I must say when I have a problem and ask something I do
get a good answer !:)
But 2 much 4 U you posted about music the last few times and
I just cant say much about it other then I like it or not !
Its just not something i know a great deal about !;)
Peter |
Post by Steinie // Apr 19, 2008, 9:00am
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I'll tell you why some comments are not left.
Fiirst does the person asking for comments leave comments themselves?
Second, does the person really listen to the comments or are they just wanting attention.
Third, does the work actually get worked on or just resubmitted over and over with different titles. (For YEARS!!!)
Fourth, what is in it for me? Do I feel like I'm helping you? You might be better then me and I am the one learning.
Every one of us goes through this at some point. We submit to dead silence. Are the users tired of my work? Bored of my work? Sick of my work? Are they there?
One time I had to give away prizes just to get some attention!
:) So where is that tray of cookies?...:) |
Post by jamesmc // Apr 19, 2008, 9:15am
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I'll tell you why some comments are not left.
Fiirst does the person asking for comments leave comments themselves?
Second, does the person really listen to the comments or are they just wanting attention.
Third, does the work actually get worked on or just resubmitted over and over with different titles. (For YEARS!!!)
Fourth, what is in it for me? Do I feel like I'm helping you? You might be better then me and I am the one learning.
Every one of us goes through this at some point. We submit to dead silence. Are the users tired of my work? Bored of my work? Sick of my work? Are they there?
One time I had to give away prizes just to get some attention!
:) So where is that tray of cookies?...:)
Darn you Steinie! I never got my cookies! |
Post by Jack Edwards // Apr 19, 2008, 9:27am
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I think a lot of it is in how the post is worded. A post that shows some work and asks for help with a specific problem is likely to get more comments that a post with just a description of the work. Video capture helps a lot in getting help on a particular problem as well.
Also it helps to leave room for others to critique things that you already know are wrong with the work. But on the other hand acknowledging the problems helps others know that it's ok to tell you what could be improved. The trick is not leaving the potential poster without anything to say. ;)
Posts that don't get any replies are very frustrating because it leaves you wondering what to think. Generally if you're posting something in the (finished) image gallery and you get no replies, then it could be:
1.) It's REALLY BAD.
2.) There are things that could be improved, but since it was posted in the finished image gallery everyone figures it's done.
3.) It's a solid piece and nobody really has anything particular to say about it good or bad.
From what I've seen you're much more likely to get comments if you start a WIP thread and regularly ask for help/opinions on parts of the project. Also some projects are just more inherently interesting than others.
If it's a question about a problem that's not getting much attention then maybe people don't understand the question?
Also lately, there's a lot less of us on the forums. :(
Definitely keep participating. Now that everyone knows that you're looking for feedback, you should get more of it in the future. |
Post by 2much4U // Apr 19, 2008, 9:36am
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I'll tell you why some comments are not left.
Fiirst does the person asking for comments leave comments themselves?
Second, does the person really listen to the comments or are they just wanting attention.
Third, does the work actually get worked on or just resubmitted over and over with different titles. (For YEARS!!!)
Fourth, what is in it for me? Do I feel like I'm helping you? You might be better then me and I am the one learning.
Every one of us goes through this at some point. We submit to dead silence. Are the users tired of my work? Bored of my work? Sick of my work? Are they there?
One time I had to give away prizes just to get some attention!
:) So where is that tray of cookies?...:)
Why do I get the feeling that this has some implied meaning tailored to me?;)
I think I should work on these things. Do I resubmit things over (and over) again? I would say "yes" if I didn't know better. It might just be my style. If I update the work to look/sound better, I tend to include all of the previous work with it!:rolleyes:
I think I could try to participate more in the WIP section; I mainly go 'round the roundtable!:D
last, I don't think I could imagine myself being better than you, or anyone for that matter. Everyone here has their own "area of expertise." Some are more subtle, others quite obvious. Honestly, I'm one of the younger members here, and my title of "senior member" is nothing but a bunch of bull!:D Everyone here can learn from each other's work, and everyone can offer their share of information. When I have a work in progress, I expect comments. I expect criticism. And I even expect silence, sadly enough. I can always bump the thread, but what good will that do? Annoy the other members?
This applies to everyone.:) |
Post by Jack Edwards // Apr 19, 2008, 9:42am
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Good points, 2much4U. And there's nothing wrong with bumping threads. Sometimes I miss a thread, or get busy and don't have time to reply. When the thread gets bumped, it reminds me about it and lets me know that you're still looking for feedback.
;) |
Post by Steinie // Apr 19, 2008, 10:01am
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Why do I get the feeling that this has some implied meaning tailored to me?;)
This applies to everyone.:)
The last line you said was correct. |
Post by Dragneye // Apr 19, 2008, 10:13am
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I joined another forum (2D art mainly, where 3D is like hush hush) cuz I started to forget abt using a pencil (3D is my art passion from now on I realized), and not only did basically one person offer ANY input on my 2 WIP threads, but when I posted a basically 'don't quit bud; I have learned a, b, c, abt life and don't let it affect your progress' type answer (the guy/kid was letting life get to him, feeling alone, and couldn't continue to create, kind of thread), the comment, amongst similar comments was deleted! I went in with much enthusiasm... left with a bad taste in my mouth.
I now am working on a WIP for a challenge in CG Society and having offered a few comments to quite a few others in the same boat, other than Butterpaw who knows I am there, hardly ANYone has said even hello, much less offered much help. And talk abt having a ton of members!
tS was the first ever forum I joined (if you look at my earliest entries, I didn't even know how to downlaod/upload? lol, a picture). Sometimes I also have felt alone in my posts here, but I must say the truth... from the very beginning, people here have been VERY helpful in helping me get oriented. I salute you all who have made any efforts in the past - THANK YOU for your comraderie and guidance! :jumpy::D:banana:
This forum, for me as a novice to forums (I still have joined only 3), overall, has been friendly, quite helpful, and a pleasure to peruse. I have felt neglected some times, but... you guys are ALRIGHT :-)
(Oh man... a few paragraphs later...) Now to the point: if one looks at the past replies in this thread, whoever feels alone sometimes, well, all your answers lie in there. From me personally, why I hadn't posted many replies in the past... 1. there wasn't any meaningful help I could offer on the specific question. IF I felt there was, I most definitely have offered. I DO believe and try to live... do onto others as you would have them do onto you. 2. no time. I have to steal time to browse anything on the net. There is no 'downtime' for me. There's always something I have to do, have to chase. Any time I have for creating is usually taken from what others call sleep time.
Sooo... to all it may concern... Don't feel bad man, don't take it personal (rarely is it so). It's just the nature of .... our hectic lives. The nature of... the Machine.
PS: and yes, it is funny how many find a moment to reply to this thread.... and not a WIP...lololololol :rolleyes: |
Post by v3rd3 // Apr 19, 2008, 12:38pm
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As for me, I don't really pay attention to who is posting anything. I like everybody here.
I only respond where I think I can add value, or inject some humour to lighten up a heavy thread. I am still pretty much a n00b in the 3d world so I only comment if the thread requests opinions. On the technical side, I will answer a question I understand and can answer. If someone else has answered a question I don't think adding my input helps. |
Post by rjeff // Apr 19, 2008, 1:50pm
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I to find that some times my post are ingnored..like when I tell of a neat web site or some little program..nada...but when certian "popular" members make a thread about a simlar topic..you get 5 pages of replies. I do find this annoying, but I have just learn to live with it. So I just keep trying to improve my work and maybe one day I will be a "popular" artist on here. I will give props to Stiene, James, Jayr, Kena and Nez. They are always very on top of the posting thing. I am sure there are others, but these guys pop into mind the most. |
Post by Liger ZERO // Apr 19, 2008, 3:11pm
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There are a lot of people that just look and don't post. It's not that people are not interested in your thread it just mean they have nothing good to say. I know that I don't post a lot but I do get a lot from these forums. Seeing everyones work makes me want to work harder on my own projects. I even got started with trueSpace just because of the on these forums. So keep posting, you will inspire or help someone even though they may not post. |
Post by Délé // Apr 19, 2008, 4:23pm
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I used to post much more around here, but my posts definitely slowed when I joined the beta team. I think this happens to a lot of beta testers. Your time and posts get split between two forums. Jack Edwards is of course the exception...he's always all over the place. :p I don't know where he finds the time. :)
For at least a few months after a release there is always a flurry of activity. That's when everyone is figuring out the new tools and us beta testers can finally talk about all the cool stuff that we've been testing. I think that it's been about a year since the last release, so things have slowed a bit. Of course the MS acquisition also diverted attention.
As people have pointed out, there can be many reasons that posts don't get very many replies. I think we've all had some that get responses and some that don't. That's just kind of the way it goes. It definitely shouldn't be taken personally IMO.
I think it's just a combination of things that have slowed the forums down or turned the attention elsewhere lately. I'm confident that things will pick up again after the 7.6 release.
In the meantime, let's see some cool WIP's. :banana: |
Post by Jack Edwards // Apr 19, 2008, 5:58pm
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:nods agreement with Dele:
Beta testing definitely sucks time up like crazy. Don't think I've gotten going on single new WIP since joining the beta team. :( |
Post by Burnart // Apr 20, 2008, 1:02pm
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Mostly I don't respond because I just don't know the answer. :rolleyes:
Also I don't actually look at wips very much - usually they have lots of images attached and they take too long to load the page or because I mainly look at the forum from work - I don't want to run up my monthly downloads and annoy the boss. |
Post by splinters // Apr 20, 2008, 1:07pm
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Don't think I've gotten going on single new WIP since joining the beta team. :(
Why do you think I left...:rolleyes: |
Post by Nez // Apr 21, 2008, 12:04am
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I to find that some times my post are ingnored..like when I tell of a neat web site or some little program..nada...but when certian "popular" members make a thread about a simlar topic..you get 5 pages of replies. I do find this annoying, but I have just learn to live with it. So I just keep trying to improve my work and maybe one day I will be a "popular" artist on here. I will give props to Stiene, James, Jayr, Kena and Nez. They are always very on top of the posting thing. I am sure there are others, but these guys pop into mind the most.
Well thanks, Jeff, very kind of you to say so :o
My 'problem' is that I probably spend more time reading the forums than actually producing any work of my own, due to my very restrictive schedule, but at least that means I get to look at WIPs. It's probably telling that the WIP section is always the first part of the forum I visit each day, rather than say the Roundtable.
2much4U - I know I've made an occasional remark on your work but for me the mani problem is that I can't download attachments over 1MB or visit hosting sites like YouTube from my work pc, so I'm basically unable to view/comment on any animation work, so I cannot actively contribute on these threads. I apologise if that seems like I'm snubbing you personally, but that's not the case - I can't look at anyone's animation, much as I would love to. Similar problems may also limit some others on here, so bear that in mind as well as the other comments already made. |
Post by 2much4U // Apr 21, 2008, 9:00am
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2much4U - I know I've made an occasional remark on your work but for me the mani problem is that I can't download attachments over 1MB or visit hosting sites like YouTube from my work pc, so I'm basically unable to view/comment on any animation work, so I cannot actively contribute on these threads. I apologise if that seems like I'm snubbing you personally, but that's not the case
And I'm not taking it as such!:o I've never taken it personally, nor offensively; everyone here has a life outside of the forums, and it's not something to be apologizing for. I'm just a little concerned about the lack of activity on various topics, as well as the recent negativity that has started to become apparent.
Sorry that you're unable to access my work. Perhaps I can convert it to an animated gif? It may not include a soundtrack, but it would at least give a basic idea of what the animation looks like.
I'll see what I can do. :jumpy: |
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