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The Truespace Commercial!!!
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The Truespace Commercial!!! // Roundtable
Post by splinters // Jul 15, 2008, 2:09pm
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That's not a given fact at all - simply an opinion. Your talking down the idea before its even started.
Correct Burnart...simply my opinion. I am not saying it will be, only that I can envisage it and so I wish you all the best with your project. You asked individuals if they were 'in' so I am doing you the courtesy of saying where I stand and I offered my art work if it helps...but I am not 'in' on the project itself.
Again, I wish all involved the best of luck with this...:) |
Post by Burnart // Jul 15, 2008, 3:07pm
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Fair enough Splinters I accept that - what irritated me was that assumption that a group of people who hadn't even formed yet would be incapable of resolving conflicts. It looked to me like you were using it as an excuse for not being involved. Perhaps a bit unfair on my part but it seems obvious to me that no-one has to justify their decision to participate or not. If people want to try and do something, great, just say so - if you don't want to then again just say so. |
Post by splinters // Jul 15, 2008, 3:15pm
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I don't need to make excuses, I have nothing to prove, have done a great deal for Caligari already (paid and free!) and have no duty to step up on this one. I have much work to do elsewhere and can hardly find the time for that. I have been working for Caligari today and have been doing so for the last few years. They have all they need from me and are welcome to any artwork they feel would promote their program. Nothing more to add really.
Good luck to you all. |
Post by transient // Jul 15, 2008, 4:01pm
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My advice is for the people who are interested in doing this to pm each other, and just throw around ideas. I'm happy to help with grunt work like models and textures, but I would be more comfortable not being involved in creative decisions (I'm using up my creative energy doing my own portfolio at the moment).
There's nothing to lose, and I definitely don't feel Caligari's reputation is at stake.
Let's face it, no one here is getting their artwork into the CGChoice gallery, or onto the cover of 3dWorld. If you really want to help Caligari get noticed, this would be the best way of doing it imo.
I'll also add that this project doesn't have to work out perfectly first time around. If it doesn't work out as well as hoped, it could still form the basis of better things down the track, and it will improve the skills of the people working on it as well.
Perhaps it could also become the basis of a perpetual community challenge.
My 2c.
Please pm me if anyone wants to go ahead with this and I'll work out what I can contribute. |
Post by W!ZARD // Jul 15, 2008, 5:14pm
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I dunno W!zard your opinions seem to be kind of inconsistent! ;) I was just reading this thread:
http://forums1.caligari.com/truespace/showthread.php?t=5750&page=11
Where you seem to be arguing that we can expand our capabilities by learning new strategies and here you appear to be saying we haven't got the skills and simply aren't good enough. I'm confused. :confused:
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Not sure why this should appear inconsistent. We have plenty of quality skills in some areas but not in others. A professional Advert producer would have (generally speaking) a different set of skills. The porducers skills would revolve around advertising where the 3d artist would have 3d art skills. There is no reason why the producer and the artist can't combine their skills and work together - there is also no reason why the producer can't also learn 3d skills.
All I was saying was that to compete with professionals in any area you must be able to produce product that is of professional quality.
This is comparable to a local suburban social amateur cricket team that plays at the weekends trying to compete against Australias International Cricket team with players like Ricky Ponting and Shane Warne.
I'm certainly not saying that it can't be done - only that the competition is highly skilled.
transient raises some excellent suggestions too - you don't have to get it right first time. The way to Carnegie Hall is Practice, Practice, Practice. The way to master any subject is to just keep on doing it until you get good at it.
I have more existing ongoing projects than I can keep up with so I'm unable to commit much in the way of useful input to this project but I wish it all the greatest success.
After all there is nothing to lose really - at the end of the experience those who are directly involved will have learned new skills from the experience so there's really no down side.:D |
Post by Burnart // Jul 15, 2008, 6:14pm
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Not sure why this should appear inconsistent.
Just having a lend of you hence the emoticons - trying to hook a W!zard (and succeeded - they reel themselves in don't you know Ha ha :p)
We have plenty of quality skills in some areas but not in others. A professional Advert producer would have (generally speaking) a different set of skills. The porducers skills would revolve around advertising where the 3d artist would have 3d art skills. There is no reason why the producer and the artist can't combine their skills and work together - there is also no reason why the producer can't also learn 3d skills.
All I was saying was that to compete with professionals in any area you must be able to produce product that is of professional quality.
Ok sure why not! We produce the final product to professional specifications ie resolution, audio quality etc and do the best we can. That is all that's being asked here.
A professional would work from a brief. We could certainly ask for Roman on behalf of Caligari to submit an outline of what he would like a commercial to get across. Not a description of what's visually shown but of resonance, impact and core themes. How do Caligari want to be portrayed? (Not as a pimple on the butt of MS!! ......)
I'm certainly not saying that it can't be done - only that the competition is highly skilled.
Although I'm at risk of slipping into a "new age" moment I have to say the real challenge is to challenge ourselves. (Where did that ambient synth music suddenly spring from?)
I also agree with transient's comments but before we pm each other we need to get some names together. You're down for some modelling maybe. Great, good on you.
Who else? |
Post by W!ZARD // Jul 15, 2008, 7:41pm
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"Just having a lend of you hence the emoticons - trying to hook a W!zard (and succeeded - they reel themselves in don't you know Ha ha ) "
:o Yeah I know - tragic isn't it!:D I can't help myself - what's worse is I knew you were baiting me and I still couldn't resist biting!!
Did you like my cricket metaphors or are you the only guy in Aussie that's not into cricket?;)
"Although I'm at risk of slipping into a "new age" moment I have to say the real challenge is to challenge ourselves. (Where did that ambient synth music suddenly spring from?)" LOL - careful Burnart - keep talking like that and you'll end up on 'Oprah' (while you're there you could put in a plug for trueSpace! That would be a good advert!):D |
Post by transient // Jul 15, 2008, 7:56pm
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You're down for some modelling maybe. Great, good on you.
You can put me down as a definite. I'm happy to be a worker drone, as I think things will work better that way. More indians, less chiefs. Besides, I don't think Caligari would want Hellraiser meets Blade Runner to be the tone of the advert, as that's the kind of work I normally do.
So I'm more than happy to contribute assets.
Maybe it would also be worth considering making whatever we create open content, for the benefit of other ts users. |
Post by Burnart // Jul 15, 2008, 8:46pm
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Thanks again transient for sticking your hand up. BTW are you an antipodean like W!zard and myself ?- I formed the impression you are.
W!zard re: the cricketing metaphor - I just refused to bite! ;) |
Post by transient // Jul 15, 2008, 10:18pm
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Yes, I live in Brisbane and have been here since I was a kid, but I was born in Newcastle (although I was only there until I was one).
I haven't been to Adelaide for years but I liked it last time I was there - it's very flat..... Brisbane is all hills. ;) |
Post by W!ZARD // Jul 15, 2008, 10:30pm
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Thanks again transient for sticking your hand up. BTW are you an antipodean like W!zard and myself ?- I formed the impression you are.
W!zard re: the cricketing metaphor - I just refused to bite! ;)
ROFL! Damn! You'll have to teach me that trick!
So Transient is a fellow Oceanian - S'funny, I never picked that. I've got some good mates that live in Brizzy. |
Post by Burnart // Jul 16, 2008, 12:37pm
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Yes, I live in Brisbane and have been here since I was a kid, but I was born in Newcastle (although I was only there until I was one).
I haven't been to Adelaide for years but I liked it last time I was there - it's very flat..... Brisbane is all hills. ;)
I've only been to Brisbane once - enjoyed myself - great food and restaurants (just means we ate out a lot that trip!) Adelaide's ok, lots of arts and music events during the year - its just where I live and its a long way from the rest of the world - which is not always a bad thing!
Anyway back to the topic - I thought there might be some responses from the Americas and Europe overnight (Australian time) but apparently not. Is there really no enthusiasm for this? Is another attempt to get some kind of group project together going to fall over?
I tell you what, if there are people out there who are interested but want to limit their involvement or for whatever reason don't want to flag their involvement openly then feel free to pm me with interest. I am happy to act as a "facilitator" at this stage and bounce ideas etc around between anonymous parties if it gets even a small ball rolling.
(Sorry tamtam if I appear to have hijacked your idea - if this upsets you in anyway please let me know - I have no desire to tread on other peoples toes.) |
Post by tamtam // Jul 16, 2008, 1:06pm
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Burnart, I think that's a great idea, but I really, really, reeeealy, want to be the one to put the animations and images together. I have some great music I made with some software called Ejay Virtual Music Studio. I would like to add that as a "filler", since there are some animations without sound, and of course, images don't make any noise. All the music I made is a techno-dance style mix, and I will try different songs I made in the commercial, and post a few versions of the commercial as soon as it's done.
I will have to go back a few pages on this thread in order to find all the nice animations everyone made.:)
I cannot include all of them (but I want to), because there are just too many for a 30sec to 1min commercial.
Edit: Oh, one more thing Burnart: I'm a teen girl, not a boy. I couldn't find enough animations/stills that I could actually use yet, because everyone just seems to be talking about how the commercial should be organized, and not posting their works of art. This thread seems to be going a tad bit off topic in my oppinion. |
Post by Burnart // Jul 16, 2008, 3:44pm
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Oh, one more thing Burnart: I'm a teen girl, not a boy. I couldn't find enough animations/stills that I could actually use yet, because everyone just seems to be talking about how the commercial should be organized, and not posting their works of art. This thread seems to be going a tad bit off topic in my oppinion.
Good to hear from you tamtam. ( Teen girl eh? I'm a tubby middle-aged white guy - who would have guessed?!) :D
I think the thread has taken a turn in a different direction from what you may have originally intended. That happens sometimes. Its the nature of internet forums.
Your use of the word "commercial" in the original post indicates a very specific kind of outcome. For many of us we have interpreted it as developing a highly sophisticated final product. I and several others formed the opinion that a very amateur thing claiming to advertise trueSpace (even if unofficial) might not be in the best interests of tS. The conversation then started going on a slight tangent about group projects - in particular a group project to produce an advert for trueSpace. At this point I was just asking who's interested (not too many by the looks!)
Perhaps what you are really after is for individuals to contribute some existing animations and stills for you to use in developing an audio visual piece as part of your own learning with the software at your disposal with a credit on the end to say it was created using contributions from trueSpace users. Yes/no? Thats cool - probably not the kind of thing some regard as a commercial, more of a personal project using some donated imagery. (Does that sound more like what you wanted to do?)
I'm happy to turn the thread back over to tamtam in pursuit of her goals. Anyone who is interested in the pursuit of a different kind of group project can still pm me and we'll see what (if anything) happens. |
Post by jamesmc // Jul 16, 2008, 3:48pm
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Promotional video is the term en vogue now. :) |
Post by splinters // Jul 16, 2008, 9:45pm
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This was my point earlier Burnart, which you seemed to take offence to. I mentioned 'potential ego clash' and looking at this thread there is clearly one person who wants to do it their way, reagardless of whether that is the best way to promote tS.
It seems a personal project more than a promotional thing for tS. I opted out because what I saw of your 'vision' Tamtam, looked like it would do more harm to tS promotion than good.
It is good to see a young girl or boy so enthusiastic about a project and you should not be discouraged.
As a 'commercial' however, I would be happy to work alongside Caligari (or an appointed member of the forums) on a piece that would stand proudly alongside other 'promotional material (time permitting).
My advice to you Tamtam is to make personal requests to use people's work and then assemble your commercial and post it in the WIP section as you build it.
The fact that you 'really, reeeallly' want to put it together is what finally put me off. If your first 'draft' was an indication of the final product then it really was not good enough for me to entrust the job to you.
For this to work, the best person for the job would assemble it, not the person who asks nicely.
Good luck with whatever direction you decide and please don't take these comments personally; I just worry about tS being promoted the wrong way and don't want the 'fan boys' laughing at tS and what they might 'perceive' it is capable of...:o |
Post by tamtam // Jul 16, 2008, 10:40pm
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Here is a zip file with the new TS commercial. Most of it I made, but someone else in this thread added their clip (the first one with the people walking on a sidewalk). I figured putting clips of actual work in TS would show everybody how simple it is to use the tools in TS. Sorry about the video quality, I couldn't figure out how to get better quality.
Splinters, I guess that is my first draft of the commercial (the one I posted earlier on in this thread). |
Post by transient // Jul 17, 2008, 1:19am
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@ burnart - maybe you could hold on to this thought for now. I'm more than happy to help out, perhaps starting a new thread elsewhere would be good for a fresh start. |
Post by 3dfrog // Jul 17, 2008, 3:53am
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Well, its a start tamtam. Your examples are too long though, i know its a first draft though. I would shorten that crazy bob posing to a few seconds, just use the ik handles to make one kick butt pose and do it quick. Same with the facial animator. You can use my breakdancing robot in the commercial if you want, what format would you like? |
Post by Burnart // Jul 17, 2008, 12:32pm
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Splinters, I essentially agree with everything you say - although I still reserve the right to criticise anyone for (the then) undue negativity (not now, apparently! ;))
Tamtam I think you could scour the galleries, image and wip posts for things that interest you and then approach the creators to see if they will let you use them.
BTW if you want to keep control of a thread you should probably engage more with the unfolding conversation. (That's not a criticism, simply some advice.)
No private massages keen on a group project :( - oh well, maybe another time. |
Post by splinters // Jul 17, 2008, 12:36pm
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Splinters, I essentially agree with everything you say - although I still reserve the right to criticise anyone for (the then) undue negativity (not now, apparently! ;))
Call it what you will Burnart, but I had a gut feeling about this from the first few posts. I am sorry if it came across as negative (probably my British way!). Sceptical would have been a better way of describing my comments...;) |
Post by Steinie // Jul 17, 2008, 12:54pm
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You've got to admit that some pretty good talent has offered to help. Why not continue with the plan to put together a tS demo reel? Offer it to Caligari for placement or post it on YouTube. Just wondering. |
Post by splinters // Jul 17, 2008, 1:12pm
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You are right Steinie and there is indeed some real talent in this forum. The project should not be cancelled outright and a 'show-reel' is ideal. I have already offered material should it be suitable...:D |
Post by Burnart // Jul 17, 2008, 2:03pm
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Perhaps we should start a new "show reel" thread? Roundtable?
(ps Sceptical I'll accept ha ha!) |
Post by v3rd3 // Jul 17, 2008, 2:21pm
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I think separate threads for separate projects would be a great idea.
Tamtam, as previously discussed, I will send you something for your commercial, probably late August, early September.
Your project is definitely of interest to many of us and we want to help you succeed. Some of the old guys on this forum have experience with various sizes and styles of projects, most of us have seen big projects hit the wall. The point of clarifying objectives, organization etc is we are trying to help reduce or eliminate the common pitfalls that work against things getting done.
Please don't take the comments as a personal affront. We all have different levels of experience here and the beauty of this forum is that, for the larger part, the people here love to share their experience so that we all might benefit. |
Post by tamtam // Jul 17, 2008, 7:34pm
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So, does anyone like the part 2 of the comercial? I saw it got a lot of views.
When i called it "part 2", I was just calling it that because it was our second attempt at a commercial/show reel.
If you don't like what i've added, just tell me what you didn't like about it, and how it could be improved.
Thanks for all the help everyone!:) |
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