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Character Animation Potential For TrueSpace
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Character Animation Potential For TrueSpace // Roundtable
Post by noko // Oct 22, 2008, 5:47am
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The manual videos are more applicable to the current release version and are short and to the point. I recommend going through those and Jack's organic course first. Then the older videos should not pose as much problem in doing.
Not sure if recommended video's for newcomers are listed in the FAQ section. For example run down of the manual videos that would be most helpful to get familar with which are more workspace orientated followed by Organics course which is WS related. Not to mention Dele's and Norm's great scripting videos. The older videos are mostly modeler related but very useful too. |
Post by mrbones // Oct 22, 2008, 9:50am
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Meanwhile, The forum is shrinking......
Over 3 million downloads and a shrinking forum= someones not on their job. |
Post by TomG // Oct 22, 2008, 11:29am
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No-one has a job here that involves making the forums bigger. We provide the forums, and then they are community driven. People sign up who want to, and use it how they want to. We step in to offer tech and customer support on here.
But there is no-one who is given the job of making people sign up, sorry :) If people don't want to sign up, or don't want to use the forums, then that is their choice.
We believe the forums provide excellent support, responsive feedback, useful help, and a great community. That is our job, and we are doing it well I would say :) If the community wants more people to join, the community is welcome to pursue / encourage / advertise / promote etc the forums.
And also, none of this relates to the original topic for the thread, perhaps we should return to that...
HTH!
Tom |
Post by mrbones // Oct 22, 2008, 11:39am
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Hi TomG,
Sorry I dont buy that..
How can it be that when it is required to download FREE trueSpace software to join the forum (before purchase required) and over 3 million downloads(assuming more than all of caligaris sales combined previously)
that the users on this forum is now in decline?
I know people sign up, but a lot of people are sent away in rejection.
I have proof from a person interested in TrueBones and TrueSpace tried to sign up and was dealt a rejection letter,
That person became very irate and confused and is gone, lost, and will never be a caligari customer or TrueBones customer for that matter.
This was after I promoted the forum as a great sourse and support,
I know this is a great community, But it could be greater without censorship.
I think the original topic question is still somewhat on point
No-one has a job here that involves making the forums bigger. We provide the forums, and then they are community driven. People sign up who want to, and use it how they want to. We step in to offer tech and customer support on here.
But there is no-one who is given the job of making people sign up, sorry :) If people don't want to sign up, or don't want to use the forums, then that is their choice.
We believe the forums provide excellent support, responsive feedback, useful help, and a great community. That is our job, and we are doing it well I would say :)
HTH!
Tom |
Post by noko // Oct 22, 2008, 11:43am
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Personally I think Tom and Norm and others are doing an outstanding job, making a friendly environment. I also acknowledge Mrbones observation of shrinking forums.
Back to topic :), character animation that knocks the socks off or at least gets people excitted would, in my very humble opinion, make folks really want to get in on the action. Been experimenting with bvh more and hope to show some stuff in the near future. Having great results so far. |
Post by mrbones // Oct 22, 2008, 11:50am
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I do too, but its nothing personal.
I just dont like the flippiant answer I was given in response to my(our) customers problem.
There will never be potential character animation when potential is lost.
Personally I think Tom and Norm and others are doing an outstanding job, making a friendly environment. I also acknowledge Mrbones observation of shrinking forums.
Back to topic :), character animation that knocks the socks off or at least gets people excitted would, in my very humble opinion, make folks really want to get in on the action. Been experimenting with bvh more and hope to show some stuff in the near future. Having great results so far. |
Post by Burnart // Oct 22, 2008, 11:56am
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Free software with universal acclamation! Easy to use, perfect tutorials, numerous how-to videos, succinct faqs, excellent (fully indexed) manual and no bugs. Is that what you want?
I'd love to see that but honestly is there software around that you pay for that has all that?
Two things that none of them come with nor will they ever - investment of time and brain power spent learning the program. |
Post by mrbones // Oct 22, 2008, 12:20pm
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Be honest,
If you received a letter like this after being told about a cool new animation software that you wanted to find out more about by asking a simple question to the community before commiting to a large download.
"thank you for contacting us.
The trueSpace forums are intended for users of trueSpace product. Your registration is checked against those who registered trueSpace7.6 and also against existing customer database. If no match is found then the registration is not allowed. Best advice is to visit download and register trueSpace7.6: http://cart1.caligari.com/web/Truespacemainreg.aspx (select new customer). Once you have done this, use same full name and email address when you register (again) for the trueSpace forums. This way I find a match and can approve your registration.
Hope this is helpful."
Honestly this is of no help to me and my eyes just gloss over it, most people think that your trying to make them buy something before signing up, when they dont know its for free. (poorly worded)
I would just delete this message and look elsewhere for more freindlier, less technical jargoned censored software pastures...
Talk about Lost Potential..... |
Post by transient // Oct 22, 2008, 2:22pm
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Two things that none of them come with nor will they ever - investment of time and brain power spent learning the program.
Agreed.
I think also the fact that the planet is about to plunge into recession has taken a lot of chatter away from most forums (other forums I visit are dead). Once this crisis is over, hopefully without the aid of newspaper and cardboard boxes in my case, then I think things will pick up again. |
Post by noko // Oct 23, 2008, 1:08pm
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Yes that is so true, hopefully the free apps will start seeing an influx more since cost now is much more important. Folks may just be worrying about other more important items. |
Post by Burnart // Oct 23, 2008, 1:24pm
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"thank you for contacting us.
The trueSpace forums are intended for users of trueSpace product. Your registration is checked against those who registered trueSpace7.6 and also against existing customer database. If no match is found then the registration is not allowed. Best advice is to visit download and register trueSpace7.6: http://cart1.caligari.com/web/Truespacemainreg.aspx (select new customer). Once you have done this, use same full name and email address when you register (again) for the trueSpace forums. This way I find a match and can approve your registration.
Hope this is helpful."
Honestly this is of no help to me and my eyes just gloss over it, most people think that your trying to make them buy something before signing up, when they dont know its for free.
Its basically saying use the same details for the forums membership as you did for your software registration. (BTW that wasn't for your benefit MrBones - merely an attempt at translation!) I've seen worse officious mutilations of the language. Of course it's much more problematic if you aren't a native English speaker - then you might have some deciphering issues. Could certainly be a bit (a lot) more user friendly though. |
Post by Igor K Handel // Oct 27, 2008, 1:36pm
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Yep I'm posting in the wrong section, so shoot me ha ha!!
Seriously though i aint dead, i am another usually active forum participant, and like Rich I will hold back on further character animation comments as my list should already keep someone busy for the next patch already.
So why have i been absent... Well my old employer has taken me back on but the sting in the tail is that I am working away from home (about 400 miles away) in Aberdeen Scotland. It's work, and (just) covers the bills, but not exactly ideal (thanks Mr Prime Minister). As some of you may know Aberdeen is the centre of the land based oil operations in Scotland. Very noticable the sheer quantities of money still being spent up here in the shops compared with England. The rents are just crazy with the lowest average monthly rent about £1200 but most are £2000+ a month.... silly money. Strange how the decisions of some ministers who I never voted for have reduced me to first being unemployed and now living in a touring caravan, having wiped out all my savings. The house I have rented for 7 years has now been sold, to fund the landladies financial er.. over investment enthusiam. So all in all it,s all somewhat pear shaped ish.
However all is not lost, petrol has come down by 10p a litre so life is good? lol
Am looking forward to going home for the first time in 4 weeks this weekend, though even with the reduced price of petrol the round trip still costs £120 in fuel. Gasp, another hammering of the old credit card. i can almost hear it creaking.
With a bit of luck I may get time to load Ts onto the laptop to hopefully pass the evenings of the next 4 weeks, before the next trip home.
i guess on the plus side the longer I am away the more time passes towards the next patch. heck if this job lasts its potential 1 year the patch might even be out! (sarcasm... me never :)
have learned a couple of things since I have been up here.
1 getting out of bed in the mornings in OCt in a caravan in Aberdeen seriously threatens to freeze yer parts off! Trying to bunny hop in a sleeping bag to the heater switch in the dark creates bruising in parts you wouldn't believe... but it's worth it!
2 oil pushes prices of even basics up which is pants for people living in an oil area but not working for the oil companys
3 when you buy an internet dongle thingy for a laptop, do NOt try to dload the 45 windows vista update patches it reckons are needed. unless you plan on dloading for 5 hrs, like me .. doh The broad of broadband seems somewhat er overrated speedwise lol
4 Living on burgers and pizza ruins your complexion lol, learn to cook.
5 Portacabin toilets without heat in Oct in Aberdeen can strip the skin off your *ss in 5 secs but sure take your mind off any urgency
6 leave an extra 10 minutes to strip off the 5 layers of clothing before going to the bathroom. Work on the assumption that using your hands to unroll loo paper after 2 minutes in said loo is likely to be well nigh impossible. Trying to keep gloves on for subsequent operations doesn't work lol
For what it's worth I agree with Mr Bones ref the overcomplicated jargonesk guff that potential longterm forum users may be presented with. At the least its over wordy and hardly inviting. Agree there needs to be some security, verification etc but a translation into basic easy to read English wouldn't do any harm?
Ok I am outta here got to be up at 5am so I can earn enough to pay the bills so I can afford to eat and get up the next day at 5am to work to just cover the bills... hmmm something not quite right there, oh well Gordon Brown has got all the answers I'll ask him! ( I wonder if he could do a better job of explaining to my 6 year old why daddy hasn't been home for a month, even though daddy always went to work like a good boy)
Best regards to all the usual suspects
IK
PS Aidan I have forgotten my gmail password will grab it when home at the weekend and drop you a line! |
Post by TomG // Oct 27, 2008, 3:51pm
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Aha, Aberdeen, my home city (or pretty much - it's where I went to University anyway). Temperatures are a little different between Texas and NE Scotland hehe!
At Uni I had an apartment in a converted old block of houses. Large rooms, no heating built in. In winter, ice would form on the inside of the window, so I know about the leaping up and trying to get into something warm quick hehe!
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Post by Igor K Handel // Oct 29, 2008, 12:06pm
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Today we had horizontal snow. Am working on a site building a hotel onto the back of the existing Casino and multystory car park. It's right beside the harbour. Like a fast freezer when the wind gets going. Our "offices" are on the top floor of the car park. almost pranged my bumper(fender) as I drove up the final ramp onto the roof. torvil and dean would have had a ball up there today!
Highlight of the day. The main engineer decreed (after five weeks of placing 6 floors of steel) that the whole new framework has been placed 100mm too far away from the existing Casino and car park to which it is to extend from.. oops :) When it comes to the final stages in 6 months and the plate glass goes in, the glass would need to be made of rubber to fit lol. however he did point out that the liftshaft was a bit better and that the lift might only jam in it's lift shaft above the third floor. rofl Turns out whoever did the plans didnt actually check that the existing building did infact match it's drawings. Of course you guessed it, it doesn't. I just love it when a plan comes together :)
Apparently the guys on the oil rigs are following our progress on a web cam somewhere around the site (they must be pretty bored I reckon) Was talking to an offshore crane driver the other day. Seems if i could just find a few thousand for some more training it is a pretty nice earner and still a fair amount of work going. 2 weeks on 3 weeks off has a certain appeal as well. The sport of snatch lifting loads from heaving ships would be right up my street, sort of a cross between working and some sort of wacky computer game. Smacking the ship loses points, whilst clean lifts without bending the ship gets points :) making holes in supply ships loses a life. Always did like a challenge.
Ok enough of this off topic wiffle
Regards
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Post by Woodclock // Oct 29, 2008, 5:36pm
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I think it would be safe to deduce from the number of readers of and responders to this thread, alone, that character animation is really on a lot of 3D users' minds these days. Whether or not difficulties with the current TrueSpace version's character tools are directly responsible for poor forum attendance and comment, is kind of irrelevant at this point. But, I hope Caligari's developers take notice of the interest in TrueSpace's character animation potential, demonstrated by the number of views and comments in this thread.
I hold to my original conviction that any solution to the current flaws in TrueSpace's character animation tools will result in a massive influx of new users and, consequently, new forum contributors as well.
Greg Smith |
Post by mrbones // Oct 29, 2008, 7:09pm
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The underlying irony regarding IK Handels lengthly, seemingly off topic post is that metaphorically speaking "Hard work builds character" |
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