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Collaboration Broke...?
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Collaboration Broke...? // Roundtable
Post by foleypro // Oct 22, 2008, 7:08am
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Hey all..
I am wanting to make a Game level or two dozen with a friend and I cant seem to get it to work...
Is it Broke or am I just a little denser then yesterday..?
.........:confused: |
Post by mrbones // Oct 22, 2008, 7:11am
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Good Question Foley,
I too look forward to the colaboration aspect |
Post by TomG // Oct 22, 2008, 7:15am
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NOt sure what you mean by broke, can you give us some more specifics? What space are you trying to use (room number and portal name), what errors are you getting, etc?
Thanks!
Tom |
Post by mrbones // Oct 22, 2008, 7:25am
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When logging into thurday night live, room 1111,
Everytime I added an object from my library it would dissapear after 10 seconds?
How do we set up our own rooms or servers? |
Post by foleypro // Oct 22, 2008, 7:44am
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NOt sure what you mean by broke, can you give us some more specifics? What space are you trying to use (room number and portal name), what errors are you getting, etc?
Thanks!
Tom
I am wanting to setup my own Modeling room for me and a buisness Partner..
We will be designing Game levels and I want all involved to be able to meet in the level and collaberate in "Real Time"...
Do we need to do this by setting up a server and then useing trueplay or can we use tS alone and the collaberation...? |
Post by Délé // Oct 22, 2008, 8:45am
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Unfortunately Caligari have not truly made shared spaces available yet. The public spaces they have are great for hanging out and such, but not good for actual projects as you don't have full control over the space.
Tom did mention before that people wanting spaces should contact him. He might be able to help you out, but spaces are not officially available.
I've said it before and I'll keep saying it, I REALLY think Caligari is shooting itself in the foot with this. The shared space technology will NEVER be used if it's never available. IMO, people and businesses could be using it RIGHT NOW if it were available. I really don't understand what Caligari is waiting for.
I remember when Roman said that there would be rentable spaces available and that Proteam members would get a free space as a part of their membership. I believe that was when tS7.0 first came out. Now Caligari has had this technology for literally "years" and has done nothing to truly make it available to common folks and businesses.
I realize plans may have shifted a bit with the MS acquisition, but making these spaces truly available should be a top priority for Caligari and Microsoft. Especially now that tS is free. Offering rentable spaces could be a very lucrative means of income for Caligari. Caligari could transition into a new and possibly more profitable business model here. That is of course if shared spaces caught on, which they never will if they're never available. I think with the new collaboration with Microsoft, shared spaces could become very popular and a "rentable spaces" business model could be very successful.
Also, if Caligari offered rentable spaces, people would start using them. As people start using them, Caligari would get REAL feedback as to how to improve them. Instead of developing the technology in a vacuum, they could get real world feedback to drive the development. Also, as people utilize shared spaces, more people will start to see how they can be used, driving more people to use them. Plus rented spaces could provide more revenue for more development (which may be somewhat of a moot point now that Caligari has access to the very deep pockets of MS). Still, it seems logical to me.
I've been excited about rentable spaces ever since 7.0 came out. I've been anxiously waiting for YEARS for this to become available. I will keep pushing hard until I see it happen. I think Caligari is dragging their feet with this and is losing momentum in the process. I really believe this could snowball if Caligari were to get it going. It is up to Caligari to start the ball rolling though. The technology is useful RIGHT NOW! Caligari MUST make shared spaces available!
Until then I'll just keep chanting and hope they hear me.
RENTABLE SPACES, RENTABLE SPACES, RENTABLE SPACES! |
Post by foleypro // Oct 22, 2008, 9:23am
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Then I need to take the SDK and make a "Plugin" that will let us achieve this... |
Post by foleypro // Oct 22, 2008, 9:26am
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Why Pay when you can use your own server...? |
Post by Délé // Oct 22, 2008, 9:41am
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Caligari used to offer trueServe, which was the collaboration software that allowed you to run 3d spaces on your own servers. The problem with that was the cost was around $3,000/year (if I recall correctly). That was just the cost of licensing the software, the servers to run the software on would probably cost another $3,000 or $4,000. So that's a little steep for the average person or small business IMO. I think if Caligari or Microsoft offered affordable rentable spaces (about the same cost as a website), then folks like you and I could afford it. ;)
Perhaps Caligari or Microsoft could hook up with companies that already rent server space (websites). That would be interesting, to see a company like LunarPages offer rentable 3d spaces along with regular websites. :) |
Post by foleypro // Oct 22, 2008, 9:50am
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Same reply....
It may take 9 months or so but I so feel that we can produce a TSX that will let us build our own "ROOMS"...
Tis will be.... |
Post by foleypro // Oct 22, 2008, 10:03am
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Here is my Opinion on
this topic...
When I PAID for every upgrade to 7.6 I thought that I would be able to use the col(Collaboration for short)...
So I figure its M$ and tS time to step up and make this a reality because us who have supported tS/Roman all these years should have the right and the ability to make our own rooms via our own servers...Why should we pay m$ or even M$...?
Sorry but thats me talking who have supported tS since tSse...
So Bottom line is thanks for the SDK because we will make a TSX....
I personally see that the future is in the ability to have a customer or worker in the same scene at the same time in "REAL TIME"... |
Post by Délé // Oct 22, 2008, 10:17am
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I could be wrong, but I don't think a tSX is practical. First you have to own or rent a whole server (which is different than renting server space, much more expensive). The reason you would need your own server and not just rented server space is that you would have to install your software onto the server. If you're renting server space, your hosting company would be extremely unlikely to allow you to install software on their server.
So even with a tSX, you would still need your own server which would be very expensive. Also, I have doubts as to how good it would be. Caligari have been working on shared spaces for years with a team of developers. I highly doubt anyone is going to make a tSX that will work good within 9 months.
I personally think Caligari already has the software ready, we just need a means of using it. Rentable spaces would be the most affordable option for the average person IMO.
I could be wrong though. If you think you can make a tSX, I say go for it. If it works good and Caligari doesn't have anything out by that time that would compete with it, and if I had a server, I'd buy it. ;) |
Post by foleypro // Oct 22, 2008, 10:20am
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The TSX only activates the software...
having your own server is totally different...
So I am told... |
Post by foleypro // Oct 22, 2008, 10:21am
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Making Both "Talk" is different totally too.. |
Post by foleypro // Oct 22, 2008, 10:23am
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I could be wrong, but I don't think a tSX is practical. First you have to own or rent a whole server (which is different than renting server space, much more expensive). The reason you would need your own server and not just rented server space is that you would have to install your software onto the server. If you're renting server space, your hosting company would be extremely unlikely to allow you to install software on their server.
So even with a tSX, you would still need your own server which would be very expensive. Also, I have doubts as to how good it would be. Caligari have been working on shared spaces for years with a team of developers. I highly doubt anyone is going to make a tSX that will work good within 9 months.
I personally think Caligari already has the software ready, we just need a means of using it. Rentable spaces would be the most affordable option for the average person IMO.
I could be wrong though. If you think you can make a tSX, I say go for it. If it works good and Caligari doesn't have anything out by that time that would compete with it, and if I had a server, I'd buy it. ;)
Dude get OFF the rentable spaces....
We shouldnt have to Pay if we have "OUR OWN SERVERS"...
It should be as easy as LINKING....
Thanks and sorry if sounding Pissed..But hey many users got hosed in the M$ deal...Me included and now its pay back time...
Can you say Freebies all around....hahahhhahahahahaa |
Post by Délé // Oct 22, 2008, 10:54am
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Dude get OFF the rentable spaces....
We shouldnt have to Pay if we have "OUR OWN SERVERS"...
I bring it up because that is what Roman promised us back when 7.0 came out. He promised rentable spaces. That's what I've been waiting for. Caligari never promised us free "private" spaces so I'm not sure how you got screwed over in that aspect. They've been promoting the use of shared spaces, but other than the very expensive trueServe option, they've never offered an affordable solution for private spaces. I don't own a server, so rentable spaces would be the most affordable for me and probably for most others.
If you do own your own server, you might want to ask Tom about trueServe. That was what Caligari had been offering. TrueServe allowed you to use your own servers. Like I said though, that was terribly expensive, and I don't know if they still offer it or not. Unfortunately, all this went top secret after the acquisition.
Tom also did mention that people can contact him if they needed spaces too though. So maybe they will offer you a space for free to work in. I don't know, you'll have to ask Tom about that.
Other than that, there are the free public spaces that Caligari has provided.
So there are some options available. I'm just looking for an across the board solution that most people can afford. The one that was initially proposed when 7.0 came out. |
Post by foleypro // Oct 22, 2008, 11:00am
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Yes..
But why should we rely on m$ or tS...?
option to use our own is better... |
Post by foleypro // Oct 22, 2008, 11:02am
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Yes tS Promised us alot of thangs...
But Money Talks and BS walks... |
Post by transient // Oct 22, 2008, 1:57pm
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I think renting spaces is an excellent idea. There's no way I would want the hassle of maintaining my own server, and as you said Dele there's no way a web host is going to let you run it.
I was skeptical about collaboration in 7.5, but I'm warming to it. If I could rent a personal space for the purposes of meeting clients online and showing them my creations, and nothing else, it would be pretty cool. I was thinking that it would be good to use them as a teaching tool as well.
Roman hinted something big was happening in the next update, maybe it has something to do with this. |
Post by foleypro // Oct 22, 2008, 5:05pm
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Would be awesome if what I am wanting now...Is going to be thy next update...If NOT then a TSX will have to be made... |
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