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Autodesk buys Softimage
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Autodesk buys Softimage // Roundtable
Post by teamonkey // Oct 23, 2008, 12:39pm
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Good news for Truespace:
http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/item?id=12022457&siteID=123112
Looks like Truespace will now be one of the few 3D apps not owned by Autodesk.
Could be a golden opportunity... |
Post by Burnart // Oct 23, 2008, 12:45pm
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Cinema 4D is that still around? Houdini? How long before they are bought out? Z-Brush? Mudbox? etc. With Autodesk capturing the big end and DAZ the low end - what remains but open source and free apps. What does it all mean for the future? |
Post by teamonkey // Oct 23, 2008, 12:47pm
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Cinema 4D is that still around? Houdini? How long before they are bought out? Z-Brush? Mudbox? etc. With Autodesk capturing the big end and DAZ the low end - what remains but open source and free apps. What does it all mean for the future?
Houdini is very much around.
Mudbox was already bought out last year by Autodesk.
One of these days Autodesk is going to buy out itself! :banana: |
Post by noko // Oct 23, 2008, 1:05pm
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naa, Microsoft needs to buy out Autodesk :p. |
Post by Burnart // Oct 23, 2008, 1:06pm
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One of these days Autodesk is going to buy out itself! :banana:
Sounds suspiciously like disappearing up its own fundiment. :D |
Post by teamonkey // Oct 23, 2008, 1:47pm
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Sounds suspiciously like disappearing up its own fundiment. :D
And this would surprise you because...???
Or maybe it wouldn't? ;) |
Post by transient // Oct 23, 2008, 2:22pm
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Cinema 4D is that still around? Houdini? How long before they are bought out? Z-Brush? Mudbox? etc. With Autodesk capturing the big end and DAZ the low end - what remains but open source and free apps. What does it all mean for the future?
It wasn't too long ago that microsoft owned softimage. I wouldn't have thought that c4d would be on autodesk's radar as they seem to be buying the major hollywood apps, but you never know. |
Post by aidanodr // Oct 23, 2008, 4:40pm
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AND .. then their is LIGHTWAVE.
Still developing away nicely moving toward v10. www.lightwave3d.com
Cheers
aidsn |
Post by transient // Oct 23, 2008, 5:51pm
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I think Caligari's sale to Microsoft was prescient in light of current events. It's going to take time for this carnage to abate, Microsoft is a nice friend to have in these circumstances imo. |
Post by parva // Oct 23, 2008, 10:41pm
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Autodesk buys Softimage
that's imho not a good sign :(
... we'll see for the future.
Cinema 4D is that still around?
Maxon is part of the Nemetschek Group mainly focused on Architects/Ingenieur planning stuff due to the Nemetschek Allplan software. With Cinema4D it offers a full solution.
It's a bit similar to Autodesk (AutoCAD <-> 3DS Max).
So I doubt that this would fit into product portfolio of Autodesk. |
Post by RAYMAN // Oct 23, 2008, 11:18pm
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Well its an indicator that not very many people are into creating 3d work !
The copies that are sold dont pay off the large overhead so more
products have to move under one roof !
Compared to photography the people involved are very few !
When I go to the different 3d sites and forums I stumble over the same
few people all around !
Even this site with Ts for free now doesnt grow exponentialy !:o
Its better to have buy outs then products disappear as such from the market !
And we are going to see it even more in the next few years to come !
Why is the market limited ?
Because its not that easy ..... and there is a lot to learn !
And learning is not everyones cup of tea ....
Peter |
Post by jayr // Oct 24, 2008, 12:03am
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The whole industry has really changed the last year to year and a half.
AutoDesk now has 3DMAX, Maya, XSI, Image Modeler, Stitcher, Matchmover, VTour, MotionBuilder, MudBox...
Maxon has up'ed it's price upgrade and people that do not follow the yearly upgrade path have to pay a substantial upgrade price.
E-On has just announced it's new pricing scheme. new lower priced options while the 2 flagship products recieve a very hefty upgrade price...
Rich
i was a bit shocked by the prices for infinate and xtream too, thought i'd save money waiting till the new version came out and upgrading but now i'm not so sure. |
Post by Johny // Oct 24, 2008, 12:52am
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AA, now Autodesk leader on 3D and Adobe on 2D :D |
Post by RichLevy // Oct 24, 2008, 2:02am
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Well its an indicator that not very many people are into creating 3d work !
The copies that are sold dont pay off the large overhead so more
products have to move under one roof !
Compared to photography the people involved are very few !
When I go to the different 3d sites and forums I stumble over the same
few people all around !
Even this site with Ts for free now doesnt grow exponentialy !:o
Its better to have buy outs then products disappear as such from the market !
And we are going to see it even more in the next few years to come !
Why is the market limited ?
Because its not that easy ..... and there is a lot to learn !
And learning is not everyones cup of tea ....
Peter
I am not so sure that 3D creation being a small market, unfortunately I think the biggest percent of customer's are studios, and all 3 of those products I am sure represent 95% of what all of the studios are using. Asking a frelancer or independent contractor to pay a 3K to 8K buyin and yearly update/maintanence fee of 1K to 1.5K is one thing. A studio will just write it off to doing business.
Max, and Maya development has slowed considerably since being brought under AD, I will doubt if XSI will flourish any better. One forum user from another forum also brought up a great point. Those 3 applications hold a large number of patients, how long before AD starts enforcing it's patients to all of the rest of the industry? It would represent a large amount of money for them. Stiffle the growth for any small developer's looking to get started and develop a foothold in the industry...
We'll see what happens in the coming years.
Rich |
Post by RAYMAN // Oct 24, 2008, 2:33am
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Rich !
I dont get grey hair over all that because i got what i need !
plus that update of Vue infinite is all I am going to invest this year anyways !
( just got Modo for a special price a few weeks ago) !
For 99 % of what I am doing all that is overkill anyways....
Plus there is still so much free and low priced around the market is just clearing up.....
I do expect much from Adobe in the 3d field in the future though !
Extended is being developed fast into a bridge from 2d to 3d !
Thats some fresh air into the market !
Plus there are some newcomers in the low price segment like Moi3d
and Bonzai (from form Z)...
Peter |
Post by transient // Oct 24, 2008, 4:09am
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I can't rememeber the last time a 3d company enforced a patent. They would be quite foolish to do this imo, as they may end up taking on many of their own clients who routinely manufacture in-house tools and proprietary software.
Autodesk and microsoft were sued for violating a patent not too long ago, although I can't remember how that turned out.
Anything is possible from Autodesk, though. Glad I don't use max anymore, that's for sure. |
Post by holm // Oct 24, 2008, 9:05am
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Wow, what for a history ! And we are right in the middle. The older people under us remember probably the small kinetix group in Autodesk, developing a MS-DOS (!) tool called 3D Studio in the early 90's . Other UNIX (SGI) work station users, who worked with the predecessors of Maya and Softimage (and payed a medium car for it) probably smiled about this little competence. Many are now history, 3D SGI workstations , Amiga, ElectroGIG, Reflections ... and for sure AD will probably not maintain three 3D apps. So i'm happy that my favoured 3D apps (Truespace and Blender) are alive an that for free ! |
Post by teamonkey // Oct 24, 2008, 9:45am
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that's imho not a good sign :(
... we'll see for the future.
Maxon is part of the Nemetschek Group mainly focused on Architects/Ingenieur planning stuff due to the Nemetschek Allplan software. With Cinema4D it offers a full solution.
It's a bit similar to Autodesk (AutoCAD <-> 3DS Max).
So I doubt that this would fit into product portfolio of Autodesk.
There is another reason why Autodesk might buy it though: to kill the product off to reduce their competition. :rolleyes: |
Post by moogaloonie // Oct 24, 2008, 1:40pm
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Lower end guys are TrueSpace and BLender... ? ashame what has happened to the industry in this short period of time, the world economy can not help this whole situation out any.
Rich
There's still Carrara (Daz I know, but it is a good program), Realsoft, and for Mac users, Pixels and Cheetah. |
Post by transient // Oct 24, 2008, 5:12pm
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I can't rememeber the last time a 3d company enforced a patent. They would be quite foolish to do this imo, as they may end up taking on many of their own clients who routinely manufacture in-house tools and proprietary software.
Uh oh............ (http://www.fxguide.com/qt/502/assimilate-responds-to-autodesk-lawsuit#more-502);) |
Post by RAYMAN // Oct 25, 2008, 12:31am
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I realy dont understand why you can NOT use your old version of
the software ? Plus I cant understand why it shouldnt be possible to
update to a newer version now ???
I read all the links to the buyout now and all the faq and pdfs that
I could get from the link (email and link from Autodesk to me)......... nothing says
its going to cost you 3x as much or lots more !
The last update was a hefty one (price) and no more bargain version
but thats old news !
I remember when TS moved into the MS house everyone here was
irritated..... but then we all got Ts 7.6 for free.....
2 companies moving together is pretty normal in these days and if
its a way to outlive then its viable !
If a company aquires 3 programs and makes 1 good one of these 3
whats so wrong about that ?
Things change in time nothing stops......
Most of us dont use Amigas any more .... did the world stop because of that ?
What all companies have in common is the fact that if prices are to high they are not going to sell the product !!!!
Same with the quality or userfriendlyness.....
I think in the whole 3d buisness everything is going to regulate itself ...
Peter |
Post by transient // Oct 25, 2008, 2:57am
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Again none of this is going to matter too much on these forums, but they do echo in the halls outside these forums.
Yes, no one here knows as much about 3d as you do Rich.:rolleyes: |
Post by RAYMAN // Oct 25, 2008, 5:54am
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http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1021&message=29783328
If you read this its realy funny the people at dpreview see prices going down for the future and that is for digital cameras !
The world cant be that much apart !:o
Peter |
Post by Steinie // Oct 25, 2008, 11:23am
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I think an arm wrestle could solve this!...:D
Autodesk states that it will continue to support and grow the product of Softimage. There all too expensive for my blood so it doesn't effect me.
There is lots of software out there that is affordable for the average 3D Artist.
Silo, Headus UVTools, 3D Coat future versions of trueSpace etc. to keep us busy for a very long time. Really how many users here are planning on working for Pixar? I've always said that the talent of the Artist is whats important, not the software. |
Post by RAYMAN // Oct 25, 2008, 5:02pm
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Nuff said.... it's tough being in the minority here...
Rcih
Its actually pretty interesting to talk about economics.....
This all has a great impact on all of our lives.....
It has an impact on Truespace too (and why it is free now !)!
Rich your not in the minority ... your just laying out one of the possible
scenarios on what could happen.You might be right.....;)
I´m in no way trying to defend any companies position just looking at
the other side of the coin....
I just feel lots of fatalism today some people even think its the end of the world some say we have a recession like in 1920 !
One thing is for sure if we all dont have some optimism for the future and if we dont think that things will change for the good we wont get out of the vicious circle ! Things most of the time are not so bad as they look like !
Peter |
Post by Mr. 3d // Oct 25, 2008, 5:53pm
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[quote=RAYMAN]:
One thing is for sure if we all dont have some optimism for the future and if we dont think that things will change for the good we wont get out of the vicious circle ! Things most of the time are not so bad as they look like !
:)EXACTLY....
I lost $65,000 in 4 days by playing Wachovia at the wrong time (9-24-08)..... but yet I'm still playing hard and waiting to bounce my way back up and beyond what I lost. I just wish more poeple had the same confidence (as life is full of ups and downs...and ups again)..... then maybe we could help turn the Market around in our favor (on a quicker rally) ! |
Post by Johny // Oct 25, 2008, 5:54pm
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After AD bought Maya and Softimage. Now they can control the market, control the price and buy other small 3D software company that look promise.
simple word -> monopoly :( |
Post by trueBlue // Oct 25, 2008, 6:34pm
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Subject: Wise investment
If you had purchased $1,000.00 of Delta Air Lines stock one year ago you would have $49.00 left.
With Enron, you would have had $16.50 left of the original $1,000.00.
With WorldCom, you would have had less than $5.00 left.
But, if you had purchased $1,000.00 worth of beer one year ago, drank
all of the beer, then turned in the cans for the aluminum recycling
REFUND, you would have $214.00 cash.
Based on the above, the best current investment advice is to drink
heavily and recycle.
It's called the 401-Keg
A recent study found the average American walks about 900 miles a
year.
Another study found Americans drink, on the average, 22 gallons of
alcohol a year. That means, on average, Americans get about
41 miles to the gallon.
Makes You Proud To Be An American! :rolleyes: |
Post by Mr. 3d // Oct 25, 2008, 7:33pm
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[quote=trueBlue]Subject: Wise investment:
...Makes You Proud To Be An American! :rolleyes:
trueBlue.........and Red -n-White too !!!
15954 |
Post by noko // Oct 26, 2008, 1:28am
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lol, beer maybe cheaper then gas too! |
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