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Little Cloud
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Little Cloud // Work in Progress
Post by Forcemaster2000 // Jun 10, 2007, 10:43am
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Coming along great Splinters! I like what you're doing with him, and the cloud too. I think you're on the right track about letting kids "fill in the blanks" as far as the details on the cloud character.
As for putting the bump on the plane crashing TS, just a thought, you might want to change the ground from a plane to the top of a very flat cube. I've found planes to sometimes cause weird problems like that and I've resolved it by simply changing to a very flat cube. |
Post by TheWickedWitchOfTheWeb // Jun 10, 2007, 11:59am
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I got into the spirit of your books
By posting my response in rhyme
Then you took the picture away
So people knew not what I meant that time
OK, so you put the picture back but I spent time composing that so you have to endure it. Though I promise no more rhyme, I'll leave that to those that can!
Anyway, I like the simplicity of the mouth and eyes, the shoes have just the right level of detail (in my opinion) - what I don't like is his face looks greasy and the shiny areas make his nose disappear. I think he needs a more matt skin material or a better defined nose, preferably both. (And hands that don't look afflicted with arthritis, but it's early in the defining process so I won't mention it yet... oh, oops.) |
Post by splinters // Jun 10, 2007, 9:01pm
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Not greasy WWOTW, it is the SSS shader which could do with a bit of work to remove the 'jelly like' look. Hands, yes, they need work...:)
These early attempts are all about setting the mood and style of the book...posing and detail comes with the story. |
Post by weaveribm // Jun 11, 2007, 2:02am
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Smashing two-shot Splinters really excellent
But now you've triggered :) thoughts of those lovely weather-predicting toys/devices with the Swiss maid coming forward in sunny weather and the farmer in a sou'wester on rainy days 'The Rainy Day The Swiss Maid Got It So Very Wrong' for another story on the back-burner. Arguments with the aneroid spring that's a little mischievious. Only you can do this we're counting on you no pressure or anything <runs away> :)
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Post by Nez // Jun 12, 2007, 2:01am
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The side by side shots are really useful, and the whole things is coming on really nicely. Noticed one slight anomoly in the rainy shot - the shadow cast on the ground is a bit strong for the weather, would expect it to be much softer or nearly absent. But that's a pretty minor thing. I like the hands behind the back pose too.
I forget who was talking about the string tension, but that could be quite neat to play with - obviously a helium baloon tends to loose buoyancy and starts to sink gradually (but would increasingly unlikley to fly away); as for a cloud - don't know, but how do you attach a string to a cloud anyway? ;) |
Post by TheWickedWitchOfTheWeb // Jun 12, 2007, 2:56am
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but how do you attach a string to a cloud anyway?
Chewing gum |
Post by splinters // Jun 12, 2007, 4:15am
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When we have a talking cloud as a character I think we have gone way beyond the physics of attaching a string...:rolleyes:
Search for the inner child inside yourself...you know, a bit like the moomins that are taking over the site...:D |
Post by splinters // Jun 12, 2007, 8:51am
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Ok, little update on the character. I gave him eyelids/eyebrows to help with expression but I am not sure it works. I also made the fingers pinch the string. SSS still needs work though...:rolleyes:
Better? |
Post by TheWickedWitchOfTheWeb // Jun 12, 2007, 9:32am
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When we have a talking cloud as a character I think we have gone way beyond the physics of attaching a string.
There's your answer - it's tied to a loose tooth.
Hmmm, not sure about the eyebrows. They work, but the earlier style seemed to imply a greater sense of innocence which I think is a greater strength, makes you care about him more. Or is it just me? |
Post by rrf // Jun 12, 2007, 9:52am
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I like him without eyebrows - and from the cloud's perspective 'Why do humans always have to assume that they must control things...I'd follow my 'buddy' around even without that darn string' (end of cloud's perspective) :)
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Post by Forcemaster2000 // Jun 12, 2007, 11:06am
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I like the eyebrows/lids! Certainly look like they'd make it easier to imply different moods.
Instead of having him pinch the string like that(looks a little odd) I'd just make a loop in the end of the string and have it hanging loosely from his wrist. |
Post by splinters // Jun 12, 2007, 11:25am
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Cheers guys. Ditched the eyebrows for a minute, changes the SSS details and gave the hair a little detail at the front. Cover WIP and balloon WIP...two more to follow. |
Post by splinters // Jun 12, 2007, 11:26am
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And updated happy/sad... |
Post by kena // Jun 12, 2007, 11:34am
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much better now... If you do decide to put the eyebrows back, I would make them thinner and just a dark blond to go with the hair. Not too blond, or it will fade into the face I think. The problem with them before was most "inocent" kids do not have eyebrows that thick or that dark. |
Post by jayr // Jun 12, 2007, 12:00pm
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the one with the sunset is brilliant, putting that type of background in really pulled it togther. |
Post by trueBlue // Jun 12, 2007, 12:21pm
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Looking good Mr. Splinters.
Maybe lose the cloud shadow? |
Post by splinters // Jun 12, 2007, 1:33pm
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Not sure why losing the shadow will help...:confused:
Besides the cloud is lonely for a reason...think sun....cloud.....:rolleyes: |
Post by TheWickedWitchOfTheWeb // Jun 12, 2007, 3:11pm
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Looking much better. The head placement and mouth shape convey the relative emotion; here we have wonderment, happy and sad - all without eyebrows!
Good to see the nose detail coming back, defines the face better. Still think the skin looks too oily in the sunny pics and the lower half makes him look like he has a five o'clock shadow and needs a shave - five year olds tend not to!
Great looking character though. Similar to the style used in some of the childrens TV stop motion progs - so you know it's a winner! |
Post by spacekdet // Jun 12, 2007, 5:45pm
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I know you're ignoring physics, but there's something bass-ackwards about that string. If the cloud/balloon is up, the string shouldn't be headed down and then back up. |
Post by nowherebrain // Jun 12, 2007, 5:53pm
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Why not? It could be just enough weight to hold the cloud at that level. It would pull the cloud closer to it's fulcrum(where is the fulcrum on string anyway?) though...This is just a picture(or conveyance) though. Not worth getting too critical about physics. |
Post by kena // Jun 12, 2007, 7:41pm
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I thought it was that way because the cloud is just attached, and not trying to get away. ;) |
Post by splinters // Jun 12, 2007, 8:54pm
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Correct...and I remember a film from my childhood called 'the red balloon' and the balloon just sort of bobbed along rather than straining on the string...I always liked that.
I guess there are two types of 3D artist; those that feel compelled to conform to physics such as correct tension on a string :rolleyes: etc. and those who care not for such constraints.
I was the former for many years and I have to work hard to be happy with three fingers, a talking cloud, a head that could not possibly fit through the neck of the t-shirt etc. etc.
But it just looks cuter....and the string was drawn in quickly here so I will see how the whole thing looks once the scene is set up. If only I could get a texture on the floor without Vray crashing....:( |
Post by Nez // Jun 12, 2007, 10:37pm
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When we have a talking cloud as a character I think we have gone way beyond the physics of attaching a string...:rolleyes:
Search for the inner child inside yourself...you know, a bit like the moomins that are taking over the site...:D
:D I was just yanking your ch... er, string! :p
Besides, I've figured it out at last - I know where the 'lost' balloon ended up! :D Somewhere white and fluffy... gee that cloud was desperate for attention! ;)
Besides, I'm well in touch with my inner child, being a classic 'kidult' - having two toddlers helps of course... |
Post by W!ZARD // Jun 13, 2007, 4:06am
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When we have a talking cloud as a character I think we have gone way beyond the physics of attaching a string...:rolleyes:
..:D
"Talking cloud"? Oh no! Not religious allegory raising it's ... er... head again?
(Hurriedly changes subject) Wonderful and charming work once again Splinters. There is a delightful whimsicality to having a cloud on a string that appeals to my taste for the bizarre. I like the shape of your cloud and the direction you seem to be taking it but I have reservations about the cloud texture - it looks great in the rainy day picture but the sunny day picture ? Well it looks a little like a blob of milk in zero gravity I'm afraid. This is due to the hard edged look - I feel there should be some attenuation at some of the cloud edges so it fades a little although I don't know if Vray supports ant alpha transparency or not.
Hope this helps. |
Post by Stickman // Jun 14, 2007, 1:44am
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Wouldn't it be more logic if the rain came from the cloud? :rolleyes: |
Post by splinters // Jun 14, 2007, 3:13am
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Mmmm...logic.....mmmm...talking cloud??
As for the rain...the story is in very early stages but this is a cloud that breaks away from the 'crowd' as he loves to watch people playing in the sun.
When the other clouds get together they block out the sun...sometimes they argue and make a lot of noise (thunder?) and the rain starts.
Still, we are definitely into fantasy here and logic really has no place...:D |
Post by Rareth // Jun 14, 2007, 3:47am
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"I have reservations about the cloud texture - it looks great in the rainy day picture but the sunny day picture ? Well it looks a little like a blob of milk in zero gravity I'm afraid."
eh.. I don't think it looks like a blob of milk in zero-g. liquid in zero-g forms a sphere (surface tension and all that).
it looks perfectly fine as a cartoon cloud. :) |
Post by splinters // Jun 14, 2007, 3:56am
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I was biting my lip on this one....but I do actually like the cloud.
Still, it is early days for the scene...:D |
Post by Ambrose // Jun 15, 2007, 7:05am
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I like this alot, don't change to much, if I could decide that is ;)
Your work have allways reminded me of something, those cartoons on tv so don't take this negative, it's supposed to be flattering hint hint :p
So today I found it watching the childrens programs with them, really nice way of spending some time get relaxed and not to stressed, no reason really to be stressed just a syndrom and lots of things helps not just alcohol ;)
This is the guy indeed, and he's made some, wooaw had no idea but now reading it all makes sense as usual ;)
http://www.shaunthesheep.com/
and da man:
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Academy/1267/nick.htm
Pretty cool if I can say so, and so is yours ;)
SeYa/Ambrose... |
Post by Steinie // Jun 15, 2007, 8:34am
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I actually like the cloud as it is. I see the creative potential of it transforming into different animals or shapes the child wants to see. An amusing shape or a serious shape like a long lost pet for example.
This may or may not apply to your story line. |
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