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Transferring tS to a new machine?
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Transferring tS to a new machine? // Archive: Tech Forum
Post by W!ZARD // Nov 29, 2006, 2:09pm
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Howdy folks.
I finally got myself a more up-to-date computer (:banana: ) which I now have networked with my old computer. As the new one is WAY faster I'm wanting to transfer my tS 6.6 onto it, along with all my models and textures and libraries etc.
Any suggestions as to the best way to do this would be most appreciated. I want to be able to open up old scenes and still have trueSpace able to find all the relative resources - any suggestions would be seriously appreciated!!
Thanks in advance
Stephen
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Post by splinters // Nov 29, 2006, 2:36pm
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Burn to a CD the entire contents of your 6.6 directory-install on a new machine and copy over all files from the CD-that is what I did-had full access to all scenes, shaders, plug ins within 5 minutes...:) |
Post by Morgan // Nov 29, 2006, 2:38pm
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I'd imagine your best chance would be to copy all your data (scenes, objects, etc.) to a CD, maintaining the folder structure, and copy from there to your new computer. Keep all the folders the same, and in theory it should be fine. |
Post by Steinie // Nov 29, 2006, 2:43pm
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I think you said you were Networked? Use Windows Explorer and copy them over using the same Directory structure. You will need to setup network rights first on that hard drive. |
Post by e-graffiti // Nov 29, 2006, 4:01pm
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I would use the network also. Not sure what version of MS Windows your running but the basic steps for file explorer are first share the drive which can be done with a right mouse click on the directory you want to share, then select sharing. On your new PC open file explorer and put in the new host/ip address like this \\hostname or ip\shared_directory_name. Select the files and copy paste to your new computer directory. |
Post by W!ZARD // Nov 29, 2006, 7:05pm
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Woo Hoo! Thanks guys, that was way easier than I imagined it would be! As everything is fully networked I just copied the whole file tree from the old machine to the new one as advised - piece of pie, easy as cake!
And my new machine runs WAAAY faster (dual core CPU):banana: :banana: . |
Post by Steinie // Nov 30, 2006, 2:17am
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Look E-Graffiti, one for you and one for me...thanks W!zard I think I'll make a Juego de Platano.:) |
Post by Steinie // Dec 1, 2006, 7:10am
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W!zard, I would still take this opportunity to backup TS to DVD. This way you have a snapshot of TS saved as you like it. I ask myself once a month "If my computer crashed right now what would I loose?" Those are the things I backup. I don't worry about the program itself since I have the original cds but all the data is what I worry about. Photshop jpgs, TS textures, models, scenes, family photos, Quicken data, Doc files, saved games etc all to cd or dvd. Then I date it with a permanent magic marker. This way I have one for each month.
I started doing this after a serious HD crash years ago. I learned my lesson!!! |
Post by W!ZARD // Dec 1, 2006, 6:58pm
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W!zard, I would still take this opportunity to backup TS to DVD. This way you have a snapshot of TS saved as you like it. I ask myself once a month "If my computer crashed right now what would I loose?" Those are the things I backup. I don't worry about the program itself since I have the original cds but all the data is what I worry about. Photshop jpgs, TS textures, models, scenes, family photos, Quicken data, Doc files, saved games etc all to cd or dvd. Then I date it with a permanent magic marker. This way I have one for each month.
I started doing this after a serious HD crash years ago. I learned my lesson!!!
Hey Steinie - excellent advice. As soon as I can afford some blank DVD's I'll do exactly that. I also intend to use my old hard drive (40 Gb) to back up a lot of my content. As my computers are all networked through a router it's a peice of cake to shift data about.
I also have reservations about optical disk storage - I've burnt altogether to much data to a CD only to find that it's unreadable 3 months later! :( As I've only just got a DVD burner I've yet to see if writeable DVD's are any more reliable or not. |
Post by hemulin // Dec 2, 2006, 4:03am
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I also have reservations about optical disk storage - I've burnt altogether to much data to a CD only to find that it's unreadable 3 months later! :(
That is a very unusual thing to happen.........that is, unless you put your cd's in the washing machine or something ;). |
Post by 3dpdk // Dec 2, 2006, 7:39am
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W!zard, I have the same problem. CDs burned on my old system are unreadable on my new one. A lot of times Windows can see the directory, but when I try to retrieve any data it wont read it. I've wanted to transfer the CD utility suite from my old system, but how to do it without burning it to CD! hummm.
I never thought of a local area net.
I think you've solved a MAJOR problem of mine!
Thanks!
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Post by Steinie // Dec 2, 2006, 8:19am
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3dpdk, you do know that some CD readers read only certain formats? It could be how it is formated too.
Look here for some ideas:
http://kadaitcha.cx/cdr_cdrw.html
The Networking idea is a great alternative.
W!zard, I have been burning cds and dvd forever. The only case were I couldn't read one later is when my kids decided to apply GLUE to the surface.:D
Don't buy cheap DVDs or CDs. I have used Fujifilm with no problems....ever....cross my fingers.....
Another lesson I learned from other's experience is the habit of burning at very fast speeds. I like to slow it slightly to get a better burn. |
Post by 3dpdk // Dec 2, 2006, 10:18am
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That's what I figured (a format incomparability) and why I thought if I transferred the CD utilities from the old system to the new would solve the problem. But I understand (and didn't think) that the problem could be in the hardware itself!!!!!
I think the LAN idea of W!zard's is the way to go for me. |
Post by W!ZARD // Dec 2, 2006, 6:43pm
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That is a very unusual thing to happen......... ;).
Ah if only that were true! I had heaps of audio data from a load of multi tracked songs I was mixing for some music CD's - the data was mostly WAV files - and the files were all quite readable from the backup data CD's at first but then when I went back to the CD's 3 or 4 months later they were unreadable in any of the 3 CD ROM drives I had available at that time.
I was told that the dyes in writeable CD's can fade over time and that the data becomes corrupted - this may be due to a batch of dodgy CD's of course but the net result is that I'm a bit uncomfortable about the reliability of CD data storage.
And no there were no washing machines involved!!;) The discs were stored in cool dark surroundings in jewel cases which would lead me to think it was not caused by environmental conditions.
As the files in question were simple everyday WAV's I am inclined to think it's not a format issue as such.
Re networking - this is such an efficient and easy way of doing things I don't know how I could operate without my little LAN. I have:
1) An old pentium 2 348 Mhz machine with a 10 Gb HD I use as a server for my scanner, printer and modem,
2) My original computer which is an AMD 64 1.2 Ghz machine with 256 Mb RAM, an NVIDIA RIVA TNT 64 PRO GPU, a Soundblaster Platinum soundcard and a 40 Gb HD - this machine was intended for digital sound processing and for recording my original music for which it was, and still is, ideal. But then I discovered 3d and found this computer wasn't capable of what I wanted so I got my new machine,
3) AMD Athlon 64 Dual Core 4600+ CPU, 1GB DDR2 Memory, Radeon PCI-E X1650 256MB Graphics card, 300GB 7200rpm SATA Hard Drive with dual 17 inch monitors
and 4) my partners machine, an AMD Athlon 2.2 Ghz, 256 Mb RAM, 40 Gb HD.
All these machines are connected through a hub router. All 4 machines run on Windows XP Home edition which makes setting up the network a piece of cake.
We have the family mp3 collection on my partners machine but usually play them through my old machine with the good soundcard and speakers. She (my partner Witchy) makes greeting cards and stuff using my artwork so she has access to all my graphics files and this setup works like a charm for us. Mind you it takes up all the space in our spare bedroom for all the beige and black boxes and the room looks like NASA's mission controls younger brother!!
Getting back to CD/DVD storage I think Steinie has hit the nail on the head - get a good brand of disk. I've used Fujifilm colour film for years due to it's high quality so I would expect that quality to carry over to the dyes in their optical disks too. I've also heard the advice to burn at less than your burners top speed as it results in cleaner burn. |
Post by hemulin // Dec 3, 2006, 5:59am
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I was told that the dyes in writeable CD's can fade over time and that the data becomes corrupted - this may be due to a batch of dodgy CD's of course but the net result is that I'm a bit uncomfortable about the reliability of CD data storage.
And no there were no washing machines involved!!;) The discs were stored in cool dark surroundings in jewel cases which would lead me to think it was not caused by environmental conditions.
I have heard about this sort of thing before, and from what I understand, originally when CD's were first created they quite often used to 'self destruct' over time. However nowadays we do not have the same problem because CD's are made in a different way - or something like that (i am no expert). But going back to whatever you were saying before :rolleyes:, yes networked storage/transfer is a good idea.
I am very surprised you managed to get XP running at a sensible speed on your Pentium2, even if you have turned off all the fancy graphics. |
Post by Steinie // Dec 3, 2006, 7:54am
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Networking is great until you get a Trojan horse or virus. Thats why I recommended DVD/CD backup also. |
Post by W!ZARD // Dec 3, 2006, 8:16pm
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I have heard about this sort of thing before, and from what I understand, originally when CD's were first created they quite often used to 'self destruct' over time. However nowadays we do not have the same problem because CD's are made in a different way - or something like that (i am no expert). But going back to whatever you were saying before :rolleyes:, yes networked storage/transfer is a good idea.
I am very surprised you managed to get XP running at a sensible speed on your Pentium2, even if you have turned off all the fancy graphics.
Ah that's interesting to know - Thanks Hemulin. Re the Pentium 2, I've had another look instead of just relying on my notoriously dodgy memory - it's a P3. It doesn't get much work though, just shuffling data between the Printer, the scanner, the modem and the rest of the network. It's certainly not speedy but it does the job fine. I wouyldn't try to do anything complicated or memory intensive on it though. |
Post by Alien // Dec 3, 2006, 8:50pm
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Then I date it with a permanent magic marker.
Under no circumstances should an ordinary marker pen be used. You should only ever use pens specifically marked/branded as intended for use on CDs/DVDs/optical media. This is because conventional markers can use chemicals that will damage the area you write on [isn't always instant, can take time for the chemicals to eat away at the stuff on the CD]. Whilst it is sometimes possible to repair damage to the clear side [the 1 you can use as a mirror :)], if you damage the label side there's nothing you can do about it.
That is a very unusual thing to happen.........that is, unless you put your cd's in the washing machine or something ;).
or used the wrong kind of pen. ;)
As for dyes, IIRC, Taiyo Yuden (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiyo_Yuden#Recording_media) is generally considered to be 1 of the best. Some places that sell optical media will state when a disc uses Taiyo Yuden based media.
I am very surprised you managed to get XP running at a sensible speed on your Pentium2, even if you have turned off all the fancy graphics.
My mum's old machine [P2/450, 128MB RAM, 16MB TNT1] used to run it ok. Granted, it was really slow at some things, but it managed Max Payne 1 ok [admittedly not at full quality settings]. |
Post by Steinie // Dec 4, 2006, 2:09am
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Alien, I didn't know some of these facts...good catch.
http://www.tapeonline.com/articles/disc-care.aspx
Of course I find it very hard to believe that the chemicals continue eating at the plastic once it dries. The chemicals for plastics I'm familiar with evaporate very quickly.
Is a "Sharpie" safe?
So (after the ink has dried) the chemicals are eating through the laquer coating, then through the Ploycarbonate Substrate to get to the data. Sounds like an episode for Myth Busters. |
Post by Morgan // Dec 4, 2006, 6:14am
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Unsure about the marker issues, but I appreciate the diagram;goes some of the way to explaining why I have so much more trouble with scratched DVDs than I do with scratched CDs. |
Post by Alien // Dec 4, 2006, 7:25am
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Alien, I didn't know some of these facts...good catch.
http://www.tapeonline.com/articles/disc-care.aspx
I read an article that was written about a big survey & test of optical media. In that, with some discs, even the ink the manufacturer used to print their logo damaged the reflecting layer! The testers had some special software to map the data integrity of the discs & on some [older/cheaper/poor quality] discs the map of working & non working areas was an almost identical match for the logo etc that the manufacturer had printed on the CD.
Of course I find it very hard to believe that the chemicals continue eating at the plastic once it dries. The chemicals for plastics I'm familiar with evaporate very quickly.
Is a "Sharpie" safe?
TBH, unless it says that it's suitable for using on CDs/DVDs/optical media, either on the pen or on the packaging it comes in, then you wouldn't catch me using it on a disc.
If you're feeling really paranoid, either get 1 of those PressIt kits, or buy a LightScribe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LightScribe) capable drive & LightScribe media. :D
So (after the ink has dried) the chemicals are eating through the laquer coating, then through the Ploycarbonate Substrate to get to the data. Sounds like an episode for Myth Busters.
That may apply to a DVD [I've never tried the following experiment on a DVD], according to the image you attached, but CDs are a different matter. Find an old CD that doesn't work anymore, especially 1 with a silvery label side that doesn't have an extra printed layer on top, then scratch away at the label. Instead of seeing something else below what you've scratched away to reflect the beam coming from the other side you'll see clear plastic. |
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