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Post by rjeff // Aug 8, 2007, 5:05am
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Ok guys thanks I will work on this..so it may be awhile with updates..this may take some time. |
Post by brianalldridge // Aug 8, 2007, 3:58pm
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Personally, I'd like to see the crown of thorns in barbed wire, tangling around the cross. I'd make for some awsome t-shirts. Also, I checked my Bible and couldn't find anything that says "thunderbird" wings are evil :p |
Post by W!ZARD // Aug 9, 2007, 12:52am
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Personally, I'd like to see the crown of thorns in barbed wire, tangling around the cross. I'd make for some awsome t-shirts. Also, I checked my Bible and couldn't find anything that says "thunderbird" wings are evil :p
Chuckle - I'm no expert but I suspect the Thunderbird was the exact opposite of evil! I'm not surprised there's no mention of them in the Bible - I don't think the writers of the bible had a lot of contact with the North American indigenous peoples.
Re the Crown of Thorns - I think that would be too much - it would obscure all that nice detailling in the cross. Additionally, by leaving out such explicit references to the crucifixion your symbol would have a greater pan-denominational relevence - (although of course that may not be the intention!). |
Post by Nez // Aug 9, 2007, 3:11am
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I agree with W!zard - I think the thorns would be too much, another set of symbology/iconography in addition to the 'sun-rays' on the cross, etc. Almost like too many ideas at once. I like the basic design you've got going - the cross is great and a little final tweaking of the wings to give them some depth should finish it off very nicely. The last set of wings looked a bit cartoony with the yellow with black edges, but I guess they're still in development anyway, so we'll have to see how they turn out... |
Post by Morgan // Aug 9, 2007, 5:59am
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Re the Crown of Thorns - I think that would be too much - it would obscure all that nice detailling in the cross. Additionally, by leaving out such explicit references to the crucifixion your symbol would have a greater pan-denominational relevence - (although of course that may not be the intention!).
I agree it would probably obscure the detailing on the cross. Though I will say you don't get a more explicit crucifixion reference than the cross itself, as that is the source of the cross as a religious symbol. :p |
Post by rjeff // Aug 9, 2007, 7:55am
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Yeah Nez they are still in development. The coloring that I put on them was just for contrast to show the detail. I do have other plans..I just hope I can pull it off. As much as the crown would be cool I do want to keep it simple. I am very much a fan of clean lines and clear ideas. I have plans to put a shield at the bottom of the cross which is another symbol mentioned in the Bible. Do you think what would be to much? |
Post by brianalldridge // Aug 9, 2007, 5:40pm
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I don't know about the shield, a logo usually is just on object, to clarify what I meant about the thorns, I meant around the top and then out behind like tribal style artwork, thought that could look cluttered too |
Post by W!ZARD // Aug 13, 2007, 12:20am
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I agree it would probably obscure the detailing on the cross. Though I will say you don't get a more explicit crucifixion reference than the cross itself, as that is the source of the cross as a religious symbol. :p
Crosses in many forms have been among the most prevelant of religious symbols (probably equal with circles) since well before the crucifixion refered to in the Christian bible. Generally they are representative of the Sun with arms of the cross signifying rays of light spreading from a spiritual or cosmic centre (which is one of the reasons I like your sun imagery at the top of your cross). A cross represents a source of light and inspiration and is thus an excellent symbol to apply to the figure of the Son of God.
A great deal of Christian religious symbology existed well before the time of Christ - core concepts like the idea of a God or Maker deity, ideas about good and bad, right and wrong, sacrifice, death and rebirth were adapted from earlier schools of religious thought.
It may help to put it into perspective to remember that human civilisation goes back at least ten thousand years - Christianity and the events reported in the New Testement occured only two thousand years ago.
When the earliest Christian missionaries went about trying to convert the largely uneducated (and therefore presumably stubborn) people of the time it was 'easier' to sell the New Religion by talking in terms of existing religions - thus supposedly Christian festivals such as Christmas and Easter already existed and were widespread across much of Europe before the time of the crucifixion. This why you find no reference to Yule Logs or Easter Bunnies in the bible. The word "Easter" itself comes from the word Oestre who was a fertility Goddess of the Springtime who oversaw childbirth.
Christian thought is so widespread in our Western Society that it's easy to think it's been around for ever - it hasn't. In fact Christianity in it's many variant forms is a relatively young religion. The bible that the modern Christian faiths are based on was not compiled into it's present form until 333 AD under the instructions of the Roman Emperor Constantine - who was arguably a politician and not a holy man and so, in order to 'sell' the New Religion it was vital to put a 'political' spin on it. For this reason many existing religious ideas were incorporated into the new doctrine.
The cross can obviously refer to the Crucifixion of Jesus Christ but to anyone with the necessary historical knowledge and a basic understanding of symbology the cross symbolises so much more.
Incidentally it's possible that the Crown of Thorns also existed as a religious symbol before the time of Christ. Many pagan practices in Europe revolved around the idea of a sacrificial "King" whose health was directly connected to the health of the land and the crops. Certainly the supposedly more civilised Romans were wearing wreaths of Laurel to signify leadership and wisdom. Given that, I was actually wrong to suggest that the Crown of Thorns refers specifically to the Crucifiction of Christ.
Getting back to your model - at first I was not sure about the idea of a sheild. As a symbol it seems more medieval to me than specifically Christian - although the Crusades are arguably about as Christian as you can get. But having given it some more thought I did think that having a sheild behind your winged cross could work very well - as though the winged cross was a device or symbol on the sheild that is standing out in 3d. Just a thought of course. I'm thinking that having a sheild under the cross would detract from the cross but a lot would depend on what symbol or motiff was on the sheild itself.
Hope this helps. |
Post by rjeff // Aug 22, 2007, 2:38pm
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Wow thanks for the detail on the history..I am very aware of the Christian "lore" as I am one. The shield in respects of the cross is to represent Christ as our protector. The placement of the shield would actuall be on the bottom of the cross itself opposite of the sun. As to be apart of the cross and not seperate. |
Post by rjeff // Aug 22, 2007, 2:40pm
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Ok in modeling the wing I have one the way I want it. Now I want to put that wing on the other side of the cross as in the example. I though mirror model would well do what it says, but It appears as not. |
Post by TomG // Aug 22, 2007, 3:25pm
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For an exact symmetrical duplicate of an object I use this approach (for years):
Ensure all the objects are built around the origin (use Normalise Location on the group of them all if not)
Select the object to be copied; reveal its axes; normalize location of the axes
Hit Mirror tool (this is in Model side, not workspace, and Mirror and not Mirror Model)
Rotate the object 180 degrees by using grid snap
Voila.
HTH!
Tom |
Post by rjeff // Aug 22, 2007, 4:17pm
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ok here is v6 of the cross. I added the shield and a crown of thorns around the center circle. |
Post by W!ZARD // Aug 22, 2007, 10:48pm
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Hey yeah! Nice work! You have a real feel for the symbology I think - I really like the subtle and understated way you have incorporporated the Crown of Thorns and the sheild motiffs. My cheif concern was that they might detract from the dynamics of the shape - the winged cross in silhouette could easily represent an angel or other heavenly personage which I think is a cool design feature - good work |
Post by rjeff // Aug 23, 2007, 4:04am
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Hmm..you do have a good point there Wizard. I may do 2 renders to see which one fits better. Now that I am coming to a close on the model side of things I just have to texture it..and well that is a whole can of worms unto is self as I really know very little about that or even where to start. |
Post by W!ZARD // Aug 24, 2007, 1:39am
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You seem to have plenty of cool design ideas of your own so I'm sure you'll be able to come up with some appropriate textures.
FWIW I would first determine what render engine you are using (sorry I don't recall which tS version you are using). Then I would think about what sort of background I want to render against - a plain colour? A light or dark background, perkaps a starry night sky or a stormy sunset or a subtle fractal or patterned background. Remember the end result will have two components - your central object is obviously one but the background is another.
Also think about lighting - will the cross cast a shadow or float in the 'air'. Will the light come from the front or the back, the left or the right - will there be more than 1 or 2 lightsources.
Once you've settled on these 'setting' settings you can start to texture the subject itself, seeing how different textural approaches work. The tS LW renderer does really good looking metallic textures IMO and the relief modelling you have on the cross would look great in shiny gold for example. Equally effective could be a stone finish, like polished marble.....
Lots of possibilities - good luck and have fun! |
Post by rjeff // Aug 25, 2007, 4:50pm
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would somebody teach me how do do the blooms and glows..I have no idea how to do them. |
Post by Finis // Sep 16, 2007, 7:21am
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I hadn't visited this thread in some time so I had not seen your latest wings. The wings you have now are certainly the right ones for this project. Great job. The whole design looks great.
Before I saw your latest I tried NGPlant and saw that many good non-plant shapes can be made with it. When I made feathers I thought you could use them. Maybe for some future project.
Here is a file with TS objects and NGPlant files for anyone to use. There is a feather with ribs and a single plane for the surface between and one with ribs that each have their own planes fitted to them.
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Post by rjeff // Sep 16, 2007, 7:32am
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well thanks. you had to dig way back in the forum to get this post. |
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