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Panel text TS7.5
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Panel text TS7.5 // Archive: Tech Forum
Post by Wigand // May 11, 2007, 10:37am
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I find it hard to read the texts of the panels and libraries, because there is only a few difference of contrast between white (characters) and grey (background).
Is it possible to change this? |
Post by stan // May 11, 2007, 10:44am
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I haven't got truespace7.5 yet, but I was hoping the same thing..to be able to change that colour scheme for a higher contrast one :confused: |
Post by Délé // May 11, 2007, 10:54am
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Unfortunately no, it's not possible to change the colors. I too have always had more trouble reading white text. I don't know if it's my glasses or what, but white text always blurs on me. With the darker scheme of 7.5 I don't know if any other color would work good though. It looks nice but functionally a little harder for me. However, I am getting used to it now that I've used it for a while. Once you get used to where things are it gets easier. :) |
Post by Wigand // May 11, 2007, 11:07am
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Once you get used to where things are it gets easier. :)
When I first saw the new colors, I thought oh nice. But now I find it hard to read. Maybe after some years, when I know by heart what I should be able to read...:rolleyes: |
Post by stan // May 11, 2007, 11:08am
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I hoped it might have the old colour scheme as an alternate for those who can't use that one easily at least ..that new colour scheme is fine if you have great vision, otherwise is just makes using the program harder for nothing :(
maybe we need to start a petition to have the old scheme brought back as an alternate to the [sexy?] new one Wigand |
Post by Bobbins // May 11, 2007, 11:41pm
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There were long and passionate debates about colour schemes for the interface and in the end democracy won. |
Post by xmanflash // May 12, 2007, 2:18am
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There were long and passionate debates about colour schemes for the interface and in the end democracy won.
Perhaps user selectable colours might be a worthwhile addition in future?.. |
Post by W!ZARD // May 12, 2007, 9:02am
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Perhaps user selectable colours might be a worthwhile addition in future?..
This would probably be the ideal solution. You should however bear in mind that the human eye (and in fact all human nerves) reacts to changes in stimulus. As far as your nerves are concerned I don't think there is any differences between white text on a black field or black text on a white field. Your eye responds to the fact that there is a change from one colour to another.
Colour vision is apparently more generalised than black and white due to different quantities of the relevant types of cells involvedf - rods and cones.
Even when staring at a sigle spot the eyes are continuously making very small movements back and forth scanning the area focused on. This exposes different nerves cells to the point of focus. This allows any boundaries, changes in colour contrast and brightness to be registered as changes in stimulus which is then transmitted to the visual cortex for interpretation.
Try taking a screen shot of truespace and desaturating it in photoshop or The GIMP. Whilst you will lose some information due to the loss of colour you will find that you can still see each visual element. Look at any 'problem' areas of the interface and see if they are still blurry or hard to see. Now invert the desaturated screen grab and look at the 'problem' areas. If these areas are still blurry or hard to see then I suggest the problem lies with your glasses and not with the interface.
Beware of your own mind playing tricks on you. We tend to see what we expect to see and thus if we approach a new set of visual stimuli with negative associations our brains will quite happily look for and create reasons to support those negative associations. This is actually a handy and necessary survival trait but when used unconsciously and inappropriately, the strength becomes a weakness.
Hope this helps. |
Post by stan // May 12, 2007, 3:13pm
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Wizard, you are not seeing the problem some people have..you obviously don't understand...there are more issues to eyes than those you mention. ..not everyone has near perfect 20/20 vision [like me, I don't] but they still have a desire to be creative..for others thier glasses may distort things ..
I will never find your choice of font colour in the forum easy to read but it suits you..
Bobbins, then many people lost to the majority which is a shame..because this is a toolset that should be useable by all ...colours like those in the new scheme don't allow all users ease of use..customizable colours would [at least the old scheme as an alternate] |
Post by Délé // May 12, 2007, 3:45pm
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Wizard: I don't know. I have much more trouble with white text on darker background. It is worse on a computer then in print though. So I assume the blurriness that I get with white text likely has something to do with the fact that a computer screen emits light. Not sure how or why exactly it happens, but it happens. I seem to recall hearing that studies showed that black text on white background was the easiest on the eyes. I have no idea if a study was actually done or not, I just recall hearing it over the years.
Stan: You make me think of a local Minnesota artist. I can't remember his name but he's legally blind and paints outstanding wildlife art. He uses a BIG magnifying glass to let him see little sections at a time. People are astounded to hear that he's legally blind because you would never know considering the quality of his work. I suppose that is in part why his artwork sells so good. |
Post by Jack Edwards // May 13, 2007, 12:33am
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I wonder if (excluding Stan) some of the problems people are having viewing the white on gray, might be the difference between CRT and LCD monitors. Or maybe even LCD monitors not at native resolution.
An LCD monitor is much crisper at native resolution than CRT and my guess would be that the TS developers are using LCD monitors.
In anycase, while in my opinion the new color scheme is VERY cool and I like it a lot, customizable UI colors would be boon to many I think.
-Jack. |
Post by xmanflash // May 13, 2007, 2:54am
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As far as your nerves are concerned I don't think there is any differences between white text on a black field or black text on a white field. Your eye responds to the fact that there is a change from one colour to another.
While this may be technically and/or biologically correct, I have to agree with Dele and say that I find white text on black backgrounds much harder to read than the inverse. I assume this is the normal experience for most people, and would extrapolate that living during the day instead of at night would pre-dispose us to such. I wonder if a night watchman, or vampire would find white on black easier! ;)
Apparently if you wear a pair of glasses upside down for a week or so, your brain normalises the picture and you eventually see everything as the correct way up. Which of course creates havoc again when you take them off ! |
Post by Emma // May 13, 2007, 3:21am
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some of the problems people are having viewing the white on gray, might be the difference between CRT and LCD monitors
Since I still only have Betaversion of 7.5 I don't know if the difference is so much. But anyway, above is most important. For myself I have an LCD with contrast 3000:1 and brightness 300:1 (according to data sheet) which makes it look OK for me. At work though I have to care for more than 200 peoples PC and there I experience every time when I have to exchange an old tube monitor against a new LCD how people are frightened about the difference, even if they already have an LCD at home.
Tube monitors loose theír contrast (because of chemical processes happening inside) but as people work dayly with it they just don't notice the change.
I can imagine that there is a great difference of monitors that are used by customers and of course also by the developers.
Perhaps a chance of kind of an "optical information exchange" to satisfy everyone, should be something to be initiated ? ? ? |
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