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Domes // Work in Progress
Post by butterpaw // Oct 16, 2007, 11:24am
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W!ZARD, I love your style and your use of models to build a 'painting'.
I'm very much enjoying watching the development of this beautiful image, and reading the conversation that goes with it. This puts me in mind of the impressionist period - not the style, but by the fact that each artist is experimenting, trying to develop something quite different that expresses what is in their imagination ...
The conversations that take place here are at least as interesting, and even if they haven't quite the ambience of the 19th century Parisian cafes, it's probably better for our health that we're not drinking absinthe :D |
Post by W!ZARD // Oct 16, 2007, 11:35pm
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As you may be aware, many others are using Painter and Photoshop to enhance photos in a painterly manner. You seem to be doing a similar thing, but going in a more 3d enhanced fashion. That's cool.
Yeah I've dabbled with that sort of thing, using The GIMP, Ability Photopaint and Irfanview (all free graphic progs, the first two do layers much like Photoshop). I've run various filters and layer blends on some of my photos and on some of my tS Renders, added textures and colours and so forth - I figure that as long as you can get an interesting image then anything (apart from stealing other peoples work of course) that works is good!
I've played guitar for years and one day in 1989 I was in my music store. They had an Atari ST 1024 set up with Edit Tracks sequencer. As soon as I saw it, it made instant sense to me. I was used to programming synths and drum machines on little one line, 16 character led displays. Having all the midi and track info onscreen at once made perfect instant sense to me
Chuckle! Man I can SO relate to that! After figuring out how to program a 'simple' drum machine or a guitar multi-effects box doing stuff with music on a PC is a lot more intuitive thanks to the visual component - I remember reading somewhere that a developed musical ability depends on a strong visual awareness - something to do with being able to 'see' the difference between tones 'heard' in a melody. The high proportion of tS users on these forums who are also musical could be seen to corroborate that theory.
If I ever see another swooshy,swoopy car or a warrior with plastic skin; it'll be too soonLOL! The thing I find most disturbing is the vast number of naked woman armed with massive mammary's and very large swords! What is that all about? Subconcious projection of male feelings of emmasculation in an increasingly feminised society? Whatever the reason it's damn creepy in my opinion!
could you put the sky on a dome insted? maybe with cloud formations on alpha mapped planes? The dome option is one I've considered but I'm not sure how well alpha mapping will render with the volumetrics. I'm currently rendering out a batch of new mojo skies to experiment with as I'm thinking the sky problem is actually related to different "focal lengths" between the mojo rendered background and the tS rendered foreground. More experiments to come.
W!ZARD, I love your style and your use of models to build a 'painting'. Thanks BP, glad you like my work :)
it's probably better for our health that we're not drinking absintheChuckle! It's not the absinthe and laudenum that's bad for you, it's all that starving in freezing garrets because you've spent all your francs on absinthe and laudenum! |
Post by butterpaw // Oct 17, 2007, 12:26am
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heheheh, well, yeah, I was going to add something about it being nice not to have to burn your furniture to keep warm... :D |
Post by TomG // Oct 17, 2007, 4:51am
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I think it applies to the Mojo render too, but I think the effect becomes more exaggerated with the buildings in place (perhaps to do with the Mojo render "point of interest" being very far away, and the tS render point of interest being much closer).
Absinthe was quite nice, though of course I won't be drinking any more of that now I am in the US where it is illegal. Rather expensive though, so not something to drink often even back in Europe!
An Atari ST was exactly what got me into computer art by a long route - bought it for the music sequencing, eventually played around with some 2D graphics on it, and moved on to the PC where I got into 3D thanks to Half Life's Worldcraft editor. GJ Atari!
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Post by Improv // Oct 17, 2007, 7:10am
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LOL! The thing I find most disturbing is the vast number of naked woman armed with massive mammary's and very large swords! What is that all about? Subconcious projection of male feelings of emmasculation in an increasingly feminised society? Whatever the reason it's damn creepy in my opinion!
Nope, just large number of very confused and frustrated 14 year old boys that want to look at sort of soft porn. (Physical or mental 14 year olds)
The Poser site is very creepy-all those extra model packs-and many are of pneumatically endowed uber femme fatales. Gee-wonder who they think their audience is? :rolleyes: |
Post by butterpaw // Oct 17, 2007, 9:30am
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Gee-wonder who they think their audience is? :rolleyes:
LOL, that would be people making money off the "Physical or mental 14 year olds". :D
However, not all are like that .. the model at the left of my banner is one that I did in poser that I'm hoping will eventually be one of the two player characters in the game I'm designing/building.
Please forgive the temporary hijack of your thread, W!ZARD, it just stuck to my paws. :p Returning it right now! :rolleyes:
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Post by rjeff // Oct 17, 2007, 9:47am
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Wizard is MoJo a sky designer? I used Bryce because I do think that is makes nice sky for images, and I am familar with it, but I would be open to others. |
Post by TomG // Oct 17, 2007, 9:54am
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Mojo is a terrain / planet designer, so similar in some respects to Bryce - its main aim is to create landscapes, texture them, and render them with a nice sky and atmospheric effects :)
I think though the aim of Mojo is to create complete worlds / planets though?
HTH!
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Post by rjeff // Oct 17, 2007, 10:09am
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Ok I have looked and I can't find mojo's home site. Who makes the software. |
Post by jennylin // Oct 17, 2007, 10:21am
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I am new to Caligari but I have been looking at artworks from our community and external galleries, I have seen a lot of your great work. This is really spectacular! I am at my early journey of learning 3D design, I really hope someday I can create great artwork, just like you.
Bravo :jumpy::jumpy::jumpy::jumpy: Bravo
Jenny |
Post by Improv // Oct 17, 2007, 10:33am
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LOL, that would be people making money off the "Physical or mental 14 year olds". :D
However, not all are like that ..
Paws of butter, but you grasped it first time! lol!!!
I know the model packs are not all like that, but they are the ones most prominently featured-could have something to do with the safety bumpers they all seem to wear! ;-)
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Post by Improv // Oct 17, 2007, 10:36am
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Ok I have looked and I can't find mojo's home site. Who makes the software.
Actually, it's called Mojo World:
http://www.pandromeda.com/products/ |
Post by rjeff // Oct 17, 2007, 10:40am
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Thanks man..or gal.. not sure... I wonder how it stacks up to Animatek World Builder? |
Post by butterpaw // Oct 17, 2007, 11:06am
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Heh heh, thanks Improv - I did get rather sick of all the fluff-stuff associated with Poser .... cutesy animals, funny aliens, dinosaurs and whatnot - basically the software is set up so it's really hard to do anything much without buying other things to 'enhance it', the manual is pretty much incomprehensible to a newbie, and the whole thing is set up as a self-feeding moneymaker. I'll still use it sometimes (probably much more useful to me in conjunction with trueSpace, but haven't touched it in 2 years. :p |
Post by Improv // Oct 17, 2007, 1:39pm
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Thanks man..or gal.. not sure...
That's a stupid comment.
What's an rjeff-some kind of android? :rolleyes:
Improv comes from improvisation as in music. |
Post by Improv // Oct 17, 2007, 1:42pm
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Heh heh, thanks Improv - I did get rather sick of all the fluff-stuff associated with Poser .... cutesy animals, funny aliens, dinosaurs and whatnot - basically the software is set up so it's really hard to do anything much without buying other things to 'enhance it', the manual is pretty much incomprehensible to a newbie, and the whole thing is set up as a self-feeding moneymaker. I'll still use it sometimes (probably much more useful to me in conjunction with trueSpace, but haven't touched it in 2 years. :p
That was pretty much my take on it too.
As for the plastic babes, I prefer real women, thank you very much, not ones who are trying to get me to spend money on consumer goods! :banana: |
Post by jamesmc // Oct 17, 2007, 1:46pm
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I use another 3D software for landscapes, trees, water and etc. Not going to mention the name here. :)
It's designing of objects through polygonal manipulation is much more limited than trueSpace and it cannot support PSD layered format export in a full manner like trueSpace. It is good for landscapes and such though. heh |
Post by butterpaw // Oct 17, 2007, 6:34pm
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@ jamesmc - Yeah, I like to know about software that can coordinate with trueSpace in various ways - extends the reach..
@ Improv - It's kind of fun, standing around making small talk until the artist gets back... :D .. and I like real people too - I particularly enjoy interesting minds ^_^ |
Post by Improv // Oct 17, 2007, 7:45pm
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@ Improv - It's kind of fun, standing around making small talk until the artist gets back... :D .. and I like real people too - I particularly enjoy interesting minds ^_^
My shrink thinks so too, he keeps saying 'very interesting' over and over!
Hmmm.......
:p |
Post by Shike // Oct 17, 2007, 10:44pm
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Hm, my primary complaint about this image is the size...come on Caligari, make an exception for Wizard and let him post 2000x2000 images, I want to look at the details! ;)
Nice touch with the character right in the sunflare, makes me curious if it's a statue or a someone who daringly climed all the way up there, prodly looking down. :D
EDIT: After another clooooser look, I noticed it's statues... ah, love how there's always more to your images than what first caught the eye!
About the clouds, I both agree and disagree with the other speakers. Clouds are probably the strangest thing to recreate, since even in real world I've on many occasions looked up and thought: "hey, thats not realistic!" ;)
If it's easy to make changes to the clouds in Mojo, just crank out a couple of different examples and see if another one looks better. |
Post by butterpaw // Oct 17, 2007, 11:54pm
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Yeah, good point Shike, I like those details too.. would also like to see the image much larger - wish there was an arrangement allowing us to link from regular size to a much larger size image. I think it's important for quite a few of the works displayed in these forums, and particularly this one.
@jamesmc - oops pardon me for misaddressing my comment - sometimes my brains slip - buttered brains :o (I've edited that post) - I notice many people add a variety of software to their workflow with trueSpace in order to enhance variety and quality of results.
@rjeff - in order to avoid embarrassment it's useful to address comments to the person's avatar name 'til you get it figured out (unless you're like me and get it all scrambled (oops, pardon me), LOL) :p
@Improv - My shrink thinks so too, he keeps saying 'very interesting' over and over! Heeee - Oh goody! :D |
Post by W!ZARD // Oct 20, 2007, 12:04am
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How wonderful that you've all been talking amongst yourselves till I got back! And such an interesting conversation too.
Nope, just large number of very confused and frustrated 14 year old boys that want to look at sort of soft pornChuckle! I have no problem with soft porn or naked women, it's the (usually extremely large) swords and bladed medieval weaponry they all seem to carry that weirds me out!
Please forgive the temporary hijack of your thread, W!ZARD,No problemo BP - I have a tendency to hijack the occasional thread myself :o
I think it applies to the Mojo render too, but I think the effect becomes more exaggerated with the buildings in place (perhaps to do with the Mojo render "point of interest" being very far away, and the tS render point of interest being much closer).Thanks Tom - Having done a few more Mojo renders I am fairly convinced the effect is a result of differing 'focal lengths' between the Mojo cam and the tS camera. Mojos camera is calibrated in degrees of view (where 50 degrees equals human vision). tS cameras are marked differently and I'm not sure if the default camera is related to approximate human vision or not.
@JennyLin - Welcome to the forums Jenny and thank you very much for the kind words. I know that not everything I do is everyones cup of tea but it's always nice to hear that someone else is also getting some pleasure from the stuff I make.
@rjeff and others - The skies in these pictures are made with a combination of softwares. Firstly, MojoWorld 3 Pro, which is an extraordinary landscape generator renderer that uses fractal mathematics to create entire planets with infinite levels of detail. It's an odd program in my opinion but can create some fantastic images. In addition to MW3 these skies and mountains were made with a plugin called Dmetry's Volumetric plug-in which works within MW3 and can produce very realistic clouds.
Hm, my primary complaint about this image is the size...come on Caligari, make an exception for Wizard and let him post 2000x2000 images, I want to look at the details!Thanks Lars - once I get a final picture out of this - which will be when I get the meteorological details working to my satisfaction I'll post a bigger version in my Renderosity Gallery - though it won't be 2000x2000!
Yep they're statues which will hopefully be clearer in the final render.
Improv comes from improvisation as in music.Ah! And I thought Improv was just something you made up ;):D !!!!! Seriously I really could not agree more with the remarks you and Butterpaws have made regarding the 'interesting minds'. I recall reading that the secret of success was not to be 'interesting' but to be 'interested'. That may be so but I'm confident that a good question is more valuable than a dozen mediocre answers.
Hopefully I'll be able to post some further updates for this WIP sometime tomorrow. I've made a few adjustments, a new sky, new sun position and various other tweaks but I'll say more about them later.
In the meantime, please feel free to continue chatting amongst yourselves :D |
Post by butterpaw // Oct 20, 2007, 1:37am
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Nice to have you back in your thread, W!ZARD .. looking forward to the developments.. |
Post by Improv // Oct 20, 2007, 9:20am
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How wonderful that you've all been talking amongst yourselves till I got back! And such an interesting conversation too.
No problem, I talk to myself all the time-some call it mumbling -or worse! ;)
Chuckle! I have no problem with soft porn or naked women, it's the (usually extremely large) swords and bladed medieval weaponry they all seem to carry that weirds me out!
Neither do I, I'm not some religious zealot. i do however have a real problem with the use of such as fodder for the marketing mill. Rather exploitative of women. Teens may get a cheap thrill out of that, but they only want you to buy something. Sex sells if you're dumb enough to fall into the trap.
But that's a whole other can of worms.
Ah! And I thought Improv was just something you made up ;):D !!!!!
Always did like a good guitar solo/improv. Just don't get me started on drum solos! <shudder>
In the meantime, please feel free to continue chatting amongst yourselves :D
Hey Butterpaw-did ya hear about the incident with the dragon? W!ZARD claims that he was hardly involved-all he did was give Bilbo a push out the door!
Why I bet he isn't even a white wizard-probably one of those mail-order grey wizards. A dime a dozen, those sort are! :banana: |
Post by W!ZARD // Oct 20, 2007, 2:20pm
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Why I bet he isn't even a white wizard-probably one of those mail-order grey wizards. A dime a dozen, those sort are! :banana: LOL - Guilty as charged! And there are a lot of wizards in this city (Christchurch) - in fact for a while there was an official Wizard employed by the city council but he subsequently became the Wizard of New Zealand (http://www.wizard.gen.nz/)and has since retired or possibly even reincarnated!
Meanwhile, back at the topic...
Here's the latest and hopefully last version of this picture:
It has a new sun position and a different sky which I think looks more natural. The background plane is actually an arch to try and counter any 'flat background' issues.
Once I had a good colour version I painted everything black and did a render of just the volumetrics and then another using ground fog. All three renders were then combined using the layer function in The GIMP to create the final image.
As always feedback is highly valued and appreciated.
Thanks in advance..... |
Post by Dragneye // Oct 20, 2007, 3:09pm
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Awesome work Wiz. Shoot, the layers look great on their own! |
Post by W!ZARD // Oct 20, 2007, 11:22pm
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Awesome work Wiz. Shoot, the layers look great on their own!
Chuckle! Yeah I thought the same thing - I was starting to wonder why I'd bothered going to all the trouble of texturing everything!
Just for interests sake heres the fog layer and volumetric layer combined - I thinkit looks quite effective in a surreal sort of way. |
Post by butterpaw // Oct 21, 2007, 1:53am
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WOW! I love it! :) - mail-order wizard or not .. (from the Seers catalog?) seems to me you've got the right stuff :cool:-
Now, I want to 'sit for a spell' and enjoy that painting :D
... truly beautiful work, W!Z
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Post by Nez // Oct 21, 2007, 10:22pm
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Always did like a good guitar solo/improv. Just don't get me started on drum solos! <shudder>
Hey! Nothing wrong with a good drum solo! (Although I do confess that such a thing, whilst not an oxymoron, is extremely rare....):p
Nice job W!zard - althogh ironically I think I prefer the 'layers' to the final image - I really liked the volumetrics-only image and the combined volumetrics/fog image is really nice too! Funny how these thinks work - [erhaps you could submit several to the monthly gallery and find out which Roman likes best?! We know he likes atmospheric lighting, right?;) |
Post by W!ZARD // Oct 22, 2007, 1:12am
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Nice job W!zard - althogh ironically I think I prefer the 'layers' to the final image - I really liked the volumetrics-only image and the combined volumetrics/fog image is really nice too! Funny how these thinks work - [erhaps you could submit several to the monthly gallery and find out which Roman likes best?! We know he likes atmospheric lighting, right?;)
LOL! I suppose it was inevitable that someone would like the layers better than the finished piece! Though great minds think alike Nez as I was thinking of entering one of the layer pix as well as the finished peice.
@Butterpaw - Thanks BP, glad you like it (BTW I was confessing to be a grey wizard rather than a mail order wizard - a mail order wizard puts me in mind of some shady internet operation providing Russian husbands for lonely western Witches or something!) |
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