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Muscle car Vol 1
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Muscle car Vol 1 // Work in Progress
Post by rjeff // Oct 23, 2007, 8:33am
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One point as well Prodigy. To me the car seems way to shiny. I have been around alot of these cars and yours seems very, very shiny. That is just my 2 cents., but I do like it so far |
Post by prodigy // Oct 23, 2007, 8:35am
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Thats because my car is very very new :D
thanks, i will change some values ;) |
Post by dave_k // Oct 23, 2007, 1:48pm
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Hi, Prodigy!
I don't want to come across as a know-it-all but I have fought with SDS on several vehicle models. trueSpace SDS can be problematic when you want crisp creases and panel seams combined with smooth curves.
To save the trial-and-error phase, you might want to start setting your chamfers at .0002. You'll find the exact effect you want by experimenting from there.
The attached example is made from extruded planes but the concept holds true for box models as well.
Hope this helped a little. BTW Your mesh is looking good!
And when will there bet more Spanish lessons in the blog? |
Post by prodigy // Oct 23, 2007, 2:19pm
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Thanks Dave! that is a very helpful information..
And thanks wikipedia to show me what means "Chamfer" hahaha.. :D
Now im colecting pictures from the Boss to get a better aproach to the real shape of the mustang..
I miss some important shapes from the body to follow just the blueprint..
Thanks for your kindness comment. |
Post by dave_k // Oct 23, 2007, 4:52pm
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Hi, Prodigy. I need to correct my last post. Bevel to .002 (Not .0002) for an initial try. I'm not even sure trueSpace will work at the 1/10,000 level.
Sorry for the mistake. It's been a loooooong day.:o
Oh! If you're looking for additional prints of the Boss, try http://www.smcars.net/. They may have what you need. |
Post by prodigy // Oct 23, 2007, 4:58pm
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Thanks Dave ;) |
Post by Jack Edwards // Oct 23, 2007, 6:11pm
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This is looking really nice Prodigy! Very cool to see you doing a car model. :) |
Post by prodigy // Oct 23, 2007, 7:42pm
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I think now it looks better, the mesh has more details.
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Hahahah
Jack, I think you are bored to see me makeing small projects on the smc! :D |
Post by Shike // Oct 23, 2007, 10:40pm
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Nice!
Hm, and here I though that Subdiv was mainly for organic stuff, but both you and i_maker seems to be able to get any type of shape you want! :D
Excellent result! :banana:
I'll make a promise, that within 10years (since I'm sliiiightly less productive than the rest of you guys) I'll also make a car using subdivs! ;) |
Post by rjeff // Oct 24, 2007, 3:27am
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http://www.the-blueprints.com/index.php?blueprints/cars/
check this place out ..man do they have blueprints, and they have them as line drawings. |
Post by splinters // Oct 24, 2007, 3:40am
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Hell yes! and not just cars either...want a PSP or Boba Fett?!?
What an amazing site...cheers...:banana: |
Post by TheWickedWitchOfTheWeb // Oct 24, 2007, 4:57am
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If we're sharing blueprint references you might also be interested in these; not just cars, also architecture, people, cartoons, vehicles, space ships, Star Wars (of course), etc:
http://www.tutorials3d.com/eng/blu_index.asp
http://www.bc.edu/bc_org/avp/cas/fnart/arch/default.html
http://qbranch.cottages.polycount.com/ref_links.shtml
http://www.cloudster.com/Sets&Vehicles/Sets&VehiclesIndex.htm#viper
http://www.frazmtn.com/~punstr/blueprint/
http://www.shipschematics.net/
http://www.suurland.com/ |
Post by blakeo // Oct 24, 2007, 12:34pm
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Wow - great links WWotW and rjeff. A good reference pic is a key thing I find.
Looking very nice on the muscle car Prodigy. My only crit so far would be the white light reflections from above seem to be over exposed - but I know this is a WIP not final image so , er, yeah.
B |
Post by W!ZARD // Oct 25, 2007, 4:01am
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W!zard! I think we can still save you!
What's better than owning a muscle car?
That's right, having a friend who owns one! (http://www.hotrodders.com/gallery/)
Now, go find that friend and spend the day with some real horsepower (http://www.woodwarddreamcruise.com/Photos.html) under your right foot.
Don't come back until you smell of gasoline and burned rubber.
(translation: petrol and burnt tyres)
Now, what was that silly question about Pious -er- Prius and electric scooters?!
Sorry Space - I think I'm beyond saving! If I want a speed thrill then a car just doesn't cut it for me - I want my speed thrills direct and in my face and you can only get that from a motorbike IMHO.
Additionally, in my city there is a thriving car culture that seems to successfully kill at least one or two kids every weekend - boy racers with souped up cars, no brains, and an erroneous belief that they're going to live forever cause regular carnage on our roads. These guys suffer under the mistaken idea that the ability to push an accelerator pedal down somehow equates to their levels of virility and 'cool'. Sadly I've seen too many good people killed or maimed by speed to be able to see any glamour in it these days.
I can certainly appreciate a finely crafted machine as a good piece of engineering art - and as an excellent subject for a 3d modeling project - but the culturally endemic glorification of the privately owned motorcar - especially a big bore muscle car (translation = penis substitute) - strikes me as a shortsighted and ultimately destructive indulgence that the world can really no longer justify.
Ecologically, socially and culturally the big privately owned petrol-driven motor vehicle has no more future than the dinosaur. The car has shaped western culture to a huge degree and has been one of it's greatest acheivements - but a great strength mis-applied becomes a greater weakness and so it is with the car- pollution, gridlock, traffic fatalities, artificial status symbolism and suburban isolation are social costs that any truly self aware society must recognise as unjustifiable.
As another example of the negative downside of the private motor vehicle, I can still remember my fathers words of advice the first time I was permitted to borrow the family automobile some 34 years ago: "Remember, Son", he said, "A lot of people are caused by accidents in cars". ;)
Coming back on topic though - nice modeling Augusto, as usual. I'm looking forward to seeing this in a scenic setting. |
Post by prodigy // Oct 25, 2007, 4:24am
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Im agree with you Wizard, is all about how you use a preaty car for.. If you use your muscle car for drive over 150mhp and you kill a kid thats no preaty or funny at all..
I belive the real spirit of a Corvette, mustang, or any another car is enjoy driving from a road breathing fresh air (something imposible inside a city)
About the polution, yes, is a big problem.. and thats why (i think) US. are in Irak right now.. don't you think ;)
But, we (whole world) must find another solution yes or yes, or we start to use again 1 "horse" power... :p
Seeya
Hi ho silver.. Away!! |
Post by rjeff // Oct 25, 2007, 4:27am
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Hmm..Wizard with all due respect..I think you are really looking way to much into muscle cars. And thoes little rice burners that thoes boys in your town and towns across the world modify are not muscle cars. The cars of ther 60's and 70's are just to me pieces of art on wheels. You see I don't buy into all the global warming crap and put down these cars. I love to see them, hear them and well, ride in them. I epsecially love the art-deco cars of the 40's and 50's. All the "eco" cars are, are just a way to make a person "think" they are doing good when really they are not doing anything. |
Post by rjeff // Oct 25, 2007, 4:30am
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Oh an Prodigy.. we are in Iraq to 1) free a depressed people who have been enslaved to a evil dictator for too long. and 2) to try and supress an sect of people , muslim extremist, who would rather see you dead than have a debate of muscle cars. |
Post by prodigy // Oct 25, 2007, 4:46am
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Don't want to start a politic debate here. maybe the blog is the right place for a gentle politic discusion. |
Post by rjeff // Oct 25, 2007, 4:57am
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My apologizes. I just get defensive when people question why we are over there or bash my prez. |
Post by W!ZARD // Oct 25, 2007, 5:24am
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Well Rjeff you're entitled to your political opinions although I tend to think there is some validity to Augustos remarks. However I fully agree with your comments about some cars being 'works of art on wheels' but I wouldn't let that blind you to the facts that the modern world is shaped socially and economically by our dependance on (and addiction to) powerful cars of any age or country of origin.
Some, or even much, of that shaping is beneficial, particularly on a personal level - a car gives one a degree of independance and choice that other forms of transport don't.
But balancing that good is the downside - it doesn't matter how flat you make the pancake it's still got two sides. And it's indisputable that cars kill people - both by direct contact and by the emission of harmfull gases. Additionally there is a 'car culture' that has an addictive allure that, like all addictions, is also toxic. We're all familiar with the idea that "a man ain't a man unless he's got wheels" and there's a massive advertising industry based on that obviously false idea. A man is a man because of his genes possibly and because of the choices he makes and how he defines himself. Take away all the cars and how is a man to define himself then?
Car culture is so common that we often fail to notice just how harmful it can be. Statistics show that within the next ten years over half the western world population will be clinically obese - if they all started walking to work instead of driving.... well, you do the math!
Getting back to the Corvette and the Mustang, they were and are beautiful instruments - but, like the steam driven cars of 100 years ago, their time is over and soon they will be museum peices, as common as the horse drawn cart is today simply because technology will supercede them. I foresee a time when the ordinary guy in the street will only be able to experience those beautiful cars in a virtual way - by using 3d models such as Prodigy's in future versions of the X-box and Playstation. |
Post by spacekdet // Oct 25, 2007, 6:37am
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This thread has veered off the road and splashed down into a great big pond of silliness.
My apologies to Augusto if I started the chain reaction collision.
(hey, at least I threw a couple car-related links in there.)
Let's save the sermonizing and psychobabble for the blogs.
I'll help (http://auto.howstuffworks.com/larry-shinoda.htm) you get your car (http://www.mustangmonthly.com/featuredvehicles/mump_0710_1971_ford_mustang_boss_351/index.html) back on the road. (http://www.boss302.com/)
(and this thread back on topic with the links above)
EDIT: Adding another link (http://www.plan59.com/) for fans of mid-century advertising art only!
(Lots of cars and trucks) |
Post by rjeff // Oct 25, 2007, 7:01am
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Naa.not you kadet..I can't let you take the fall.. I will take some resopnsiblity for this as well. I can be..well annoying when it comes to poltical stuff, ask my wife,. So with that Sorry to Prodigy and Wizard. This wip is about Prodigy's cool car. Back to the show! |
Post by prodigy // Oct 25, 2007, 7:13am
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Lol.. I'm enjoying reading this :)
Go forward! :D |
Post by W!ZARD // Oct 26, 2007, 1:13am
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Chuckle - there's certainly no need for anyone to apologise to me Rjeff - everyone is entitled to their opinions and from what I can see everyone's opinion is that Augustos car is cool.
At the risk of reinforcing Spacekdets opinions about sermonizing and psychobabble I suppose it could be interesting to ask where (and if) the line is drawn when discussing a WIP. I think we can all safely discuss the technical and artistic aspects of the modeling - but can we discuss various aspects of the thing being modelled? And if we can discuss the artistic and engineering aspects of the thing being modeled - in this case a car - can we not also discuss the sociological and historical aspects of the subject?
Personally it's my opinion that any lines drawn between these aspects of the model and the subject being modeled are arbitrary. I find any discussion has some merits - and observations about the historical, socio- and psychological aspects of any topic hold some interest for me - and apparently Augusto who seems open and appreciative of all viewpoints offered.
Spacekdets opinion, if I understand him correctly, is that such discussions are veering into "a great big pond of silliness". I don't understand his reasoning for saying that but I certainly recognise his right to that opinion , even if I don't particularly agree.
If our conversations here are limited to technical discussions about 3d modeling then Space is correct and any discussion of real-world aspects of the modeled subject rightfully belongs in the blogs or the Rants and Raves. I guess that in the absence of a clearly specified framework for discussion any contribution to these threads by way of the offering of a personal opinion is acceptable. |
Post by Tugar // Oct 26, 2007, 1:25am
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That is one nice piece of work. The rear quarter panels seem to bulge just a bit too much though. |
Post by Steinie // Oct 26, 2007, 1:34am
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I think Elephants as a means of transportation is not right, they have big poop.:rolleyes:
Prodigy, how about an update, Mustang Sally? |
Post by prodigy // Oct 26, 2007, 3:48am
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Steinie,
Here you are... :rolleyes:
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Post by Steinie // Oct 26, 2007, 4:12am
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Your Mustang turned into a "Low Rider"!:D |
Post by prodigy // Oct 26, 2007, 6:10am
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no... It need a better suspension ;) |
Post by RAYMAN // Oct 26, 2007, 6:52am
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no... It need a better suspension ;)
The Mustang never had a very special suspension !
There is something wrong about the whole thread....
The Mustang was never a "MUSCLE" car.
The Dodge Charger was !
The Mustang was never designed to be more then a sportive
mid-class coupe or convertible and was pretty cheap when compared
to some other models.Plus the fuel consumption was pretty average too
at that time.
The muscle variation of the Mustang was the Shelby !
Most famous of them all the dark Eleonor.
Apart from the shape it had nothing to do with the Mustang! ; )
Anyone who drives an Eleonor today is a ....ut !
They belong into a museum.
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