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Help! TrueSpace not working right!
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Help! TrueSpace not working right! // New Users
Post by MarieBergantz // Aug 25, 2008, 4:51pm
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My TrueSpace has stopped working! I installed Flash Player 11 on my computer today for another program, and when I opened TrueSpace, weird things started to happen.
#1) When I went to Workspace side and tried to change my camera angle, this is what happened:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v281/AnitaAngelo/Error1.jpg
#2) The Material Library looks like this and won't expand! (Plus something strange happened to my object)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v281/AnitaAngelo/Error2.jpg
I uninstalled the new Flash Player and restarted my computer, but it didn't help! Should I try uninstalling/reinstalling TrueSpace? I don't know what else to do! |
Post by trueBlue // Aug 25, 2008, 4:56pm
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Try this Marie:
http://forums1.caligari.com/truespace/showpost.php?p=78298&postcount=2 |
Post by MarieBergantz // Aug 25, 2008, 5:03pm
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No, that didn't work. Same things happen. |
Post by frootee // Aug 25, 2008, 5:18pm
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Try this Marie:
http://forums1.caligari.com/truespace/showpost.php?p=78298&postcount=2
In the top tabs, try clicking Default or 4 View; see if that kind of 'kicks things back in order'.
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Post by MarieBergantz // Aug 25, 2008, 5:23pm
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The workspace comes back temporarily, but goes out a again. I still can't expand that one window to show the material library. |
Post by Jack Edwards // Aug 25, 2008, 7:59pm
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The blanking workspace is an nVidia driver bug. Updating to the 177.xx series drivers solves the problem. |
Post by TomG // Aug 26, 2008, 1:01am
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Could be the same thing as in this thread as Jack says:
http://forums1.caligari.com/truespace/showthread.php?p=78749#post78749
Though it would be odd if it was working fine before (this would mean you updated your drivers at some point, but not to the most recent). Try updating to the latest drivers and let us know if it resolves the problem.
HTH!
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Post by MarieBergantz // Aug 26, 2008, 5:20am
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My drivers were updated on 8/23, but the problem didn't start happening until yesterday. Would that explain why the one window would not expand either? That was working fine until I installed that flash player which is now gone from my computer.
I go to Nvidia and have it do the auto check, and it says I have version 167.43, and that I have to download my drivers from the HP website. So, I go to HP, and I look to see what's available, and their last update was 11/8/2007, and that it's version 7.15.11.5665 A. I'm like, okay, that doesn't make any sense.
So, okay, let me ask you this: I have the GeForce 7150M/ nForce 630m. I the device manager, it says my current version is 7.15.11.6743, which is defiantly higher then the one on the HP site.
I mean, I looked at what you guys gave me, and they are just beta versions, and I don't want to download anything that's going to screw up my computer. I can live without working in the workspace side (I've been playing with just the model side anyway)
But that still doesn't explain why ONE window will not expand. It's the material library, I checked the other windows, and they all slide and change and expand with no problems. I am so confused! |
Post by TomG // Aug 26, 2008, 5:37am
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167 drivers I believe have problems. You dont need to install the beta drivers if you dont want to, though the ones from the NVIDIA site are usually pretty stable. However even the current NVIDIA releases (175 series) are better than the 167 series (though not sure how it applies to mobile cards for laptops, need to check the NVIDIA site and see what the most recent are for that card).
I'd try the update and see what works. To check your version r click on blank area of desktop, choose NVIDIA Control Panel, then Help in the menu, and System Information.
HTH!
Tom |
Post by MarieBergantz // Aug 26, 2008, 7:48am
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Well, I tried to install the updated drivers from the Nvidia website, and when it got to the setup screen it said "Nvidia setup can not detect any drivers that are compatible with your current hardware. Setup will now exit."
>.> I guess I'm stuck with what I have.
EDIT: Okay, I see what happened with the window that won't expand. When you click on the little file folder to load a different library, I can load other libraries. However, the Library that is "Materials" is empty, and that's why the window won't expand. If I load "metals" or "tiles" or any of the other ones, the window is back to normal. Any clue on how to get 'materials' back in the material library? |
Post by parva // Aug 26, 2008, 7:52am
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uh ah if I read GeForce 7150M/ nForce 630m it runs cold as ice above my shoulder :D
Is this a laptop where you running trueSpace?
Would be really strange if flash would cause such a thing. From the other point even deinstall can let files remain on disc but can't say for sure if this is also the case for flash.
Have you already reinstalled trueSpace?
Do you run Vista or XP? |
Post by Jack Edwards // Aug 26, 2008, 7:57am
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If you go to the site I linked, you can download a modified INF file to copy over the one that came with the driver installer. That will let you install the updated drivers on your computer.
http://www.laptopvideo2go.com/forum/index.php?showforum=94 |
Post by MarieBergantz // Aug 26, 2008, 8:03am
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uh ah if I read GeForce 7150M/ nForce 630m it runs cold as ice above my shoulder :D
Is this a laptop where you running trueSpace?
Would be really strange if flash would cause such a thing. From the other point even deinstall can let files remain on disc but can't say for sure if this is also the case for flash.
Have you already reinstalled trueSpace?
Do you run Vista or XP?
I have not tried reinstalling trueSpace yet. I run Vista, yes, it's a laptop.
Jack: I appreciate the link, but as I said earlier, I am not willing to risk my computer for a Beta version. I don't want to risk creating a problem I don't know how to fix, and then have to take it to the shop and it cost me an arm and a leg because I voided my warranty by downloading something that hasn't been officially released.
Not to mention that my graphics card is full integrated and customized for my laptop because of hot keys and lid closing and power modes, and I don't know how to reprogram all of that stuff when it gets changed. |
Post by MarieBergantz // Aug 30, 2008, 2:54pm
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Okay, I need some more help. I went to HP and I told them my problem (my Nvidia has decided to start crashing on me). So I get version 175.19. figuring it's the next release, I go through all the uninstall the old version, and restart the computer. I get to the point where I need to install the new, and it says that I'm not running Vista 32-bit (which I am) and that it can not install...>.> Okay...so, as I'm doing this, the computer automatically reinstall the version I had before. What's up with that!?
T.T Help? |
Post by Jack Edwards // Aug 31, 2008, 7:02am
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Marie, you're just going to have to install one of the beta versions with a hacked INF file. That the way it is with laptops. The Laptop vendors never support the drivers well and nVidia purposefully makes it so the "nVidia" versions of the drivers won't install on laptops. I know that sucks, but it's just the way it is. :(
Fortunately the current 177 series beta drivers are VERY good. So you're not risking anything radical, many here have already tested them. ;) |
Post by MarieBergantz // Aug 31, 2008, 5:03pm
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Fun. Will I have to re-program my hot keys if I do that? I know it can be done, but I have no clue how to do that. |
Post by splinters // Sep 1, 2008, 11:28am
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I had this problem with the last set of Beta drivers when I had a 7900GT...it simply would not accept I had a Nvidia card. The latest Beta's seem ok otherwise stick with WHQL library...:D |
Post by Mr. 3d // Sep 2, 2008, 11:17am
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Will this picture help ?.......
Also, I can help you to reinstall your original Nvidia Ge-Force driver if you wish...I have found that it's not a wise decision to update your Nvidia Ge-Force driver. Let me know if you're running Vista (also...always go online to view your HP update options....never use the automatic updater).....I have learned all this the hard way !;)
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Post by Mr. 3d // Sep 2, 2008, 11:48am
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I have an HP laptop....
To reinstall your original Nvidia GeForce driver:
-Type Search "Recovery Manager"
-Open "Recovery Manager"
-click "Advanced Options"
-Select "Hardware Driver Re-installation"
-Click "Next"
-Click "Next" again to go to hardware options
-Click on "Nvidia GeForce"
Never update this driver. |
Post by MarieBergantz // Sep 2, 2008, 2:38pm
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Thanks for the tip! I ended up contacting HP and they had me do the same thing. Everything seems to be working alright right now.
And as for the materials, I have those, this is the one that's missing:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v281/AnitaAngelo/Project1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v281/AnitaAngelo/Project2.jpg |
Post by Mr. 3d // Sep 2, 2008, 3:17pm
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I'm still new to tS 7.6 myself. I can, however, give you just as much (and probably more) information about your HP Vista than HP Tech support can.
My best suggestion would be:
-save your lava lamp to a seperate file
-re-download tS7.6 (I've downloaded it 3 times in order to fix my tS explorations !). Through these forums, I have learned how to fix most obstacles that I've encountered so far;)......(like loosing my screen, side bar, one time I found myself underneath the grid and couldn't get back on top !!!). Obstacles are going to happen when we explore. However, I cannot help you with this one yet.
Like I said.....It's probably best to save your project and re-download tS7.6 for a clean slate (and erase any possible bugs from your Nvidia GeForce adventure)......Also (very important), you can update the N-force....but never try updating the Ge-force!!!:D |
Post by MarieBergantz // Sep 2, 2008, 3:56pm
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>.> Joy. So I have a crap-tacular graphics card, which I believe is fully integrated, or I would consider getting something better. Ever since I've gotten this thing, I've had problems with watching videos; my DVD player will randomly crash in the middle of the movie. When HP sent the update of QuickPlay, it seemed to work better, but it still skips when there is a lot of action. When the update came for the graphics card, and I installed it, I started crashing when watching videos on the internet as well. Since rolling the card back to the factory setting, the internet videos seem to be working again, but I haven't tried a DVD yet. I supposed I should do that tomorrow sometime.
I will try the reinstall sometime tomorrow too. |
Post by Mr. 3d // Sep 2, 2008, 5:02pm
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I noticed you brought up QuickPlay. I hate to say this, but I've found that QuickPlay is a bad HP program. I am, however, running 64bit (compared to your 32bit), but I still feel that you are or will experience performance issues with your computer as long as you have it installed (especially when you decide to start utilizing webcam chats).
Here's what I had to do:
-uninstall Quickplay (Programs and Features)......you will not be loosing this program, as you can always re-install it through the "Recovery Manager" under the "Software Re-Installation " option........You were just there re-installing the original factory sent Nvidia GeForce (however, trust me, you will not want to re-install it). Also, don't be discouraged about not updating the GeForce driver...it works great (and really doesn't need improving......I felt the same way you do now when I experienced what you're going through......especially since I initially invested $3000 in this custom made laptop ordered through HP Home & Office online just one year ago this month).
I hated to see the updated QuickPlay version go from my computer, because the new layout (color graphics, etc...) was a nice change. You do not need QuickPlay to view your videos....They are actually diverted (from QuickPlay) to your Windows Media Player. You do, however need QuickPlay to view your webcam options........which leads me to your next step.....
-Go online and purchase Cyberlik YouCam. When you do, make sure you "SAVE" the application (not RUN). Then burn the "SAVED" link application to a DVD for a back-up copy (also, find the "APPLICATION" file after you RUN the program---I always save my applications in my "Downloads" folder, but in case you forget to select a file location and need to find it...right click on the icon, click "open folder location", search for the Cyberlink YouCam "application" file, and burn that to your same backup DVD.......that way you know you have the software application for sure !!! They don't offer a CD backup...only a "product key" which unlocks your newly purchased program (make SURE you copy down the product key...or either print out the Cyberlink email response for your records). This is a positively needed software addition to replace QuickPlay in order to utilize your webcam and increase computer performance (for one example: slow startups). Once I got rid of QuickPlay, all my computer performance issues were solved, and I'm willing to say that yours will be too (video viewing).....Just don't update the GeForce either !!! Once you remove Quickplay (and start refreshing yourself with Windows Media Player), you'll begin to see what a waste of time and space QuickPlay really is !!! Then you'll fall in love with your HP laptop all over again (trust me)!!! I also have more tips for improving performance.
If you have any questions, please feel free to ask.....I enjoy sharing what I do know to help others (even though I can't offer as much so YET for trueSpace 7.6)!!!;):D
Just saw a glimpse of Zelda's Quest.........I LIKES IT !!!!;) ^_^
....Thought I'd visit and offer you a lift !!!
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Post by MarieBergantz // Sep 6, 2008, 3:45pm
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Hm...I will have to try that. >.> What's the worst that can happen? (I don't use my webcam that often anyways)
^_^ I'm glad you like ZQ! XD I love the pic! |
Post by MarieBergantz // Sep 8, 2008, 8:48am
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Okay, I took out QuickPlay, DVDs are running fine, no choppyness in the playback, no random crashing....but now I get a constant shaking of the screen. It's like trying to watch TV on a graded road. It's giving me a headache @.@ Remember 'tracking' on old VHSes? It's like I need to do that, but I don't know how! |
Post by Mr. 3d // Sep 8, 2008, 11:11am
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WOW....I've never experienced those problems... : (
But........here's what I'd suggest:
Go to your Windows Media Player:
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---Make sure that you restart your computer after making software changes (QuickPlay) to let the computer reconfigure.
---Try re-installing your Nvidia GeForce driver again in "Recovery Manager"
---Type search "Windows Update" / Select 'Change Settings" / Then reconfigure so that your computer does not automatically install your updates (including the HP GeForce driver update). You will then be able to select through your updates that are prompted and install the ones you wish (not all updates are needed on your computer...this is a Vista issue). :
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--- Also, turn off your "System Restore" point option. This is only used for troubleshooting and is initually ON with your computer. When not utilizing it, the backup copies of updates /installed programs / etc keep compiling and unecessarily use up your HardDrive space. It also can backup viruses (which you definitely don't want): Type search "System Restore":
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These are some tips to clean up yor computer:
---Type search "Disk Cleanup" . This tool removes unessesary junk files that are not needed (I check them all, except for downloads).
---Type search "Disc Defragmenter". Unselect automatic and run at your terms / I run this program constantly while I'm on the computer.
---In your Internet Explorer page: Go to tools (lower right side of Header Bar) / Select "Delete Browsing History" / Clean up everything (except passwords...but only if you wish). This will, however remove your temporary personalized page (Your Google Page, Your Yahoo Page, etc.), but just retype your password when you wish to visit. This will remove unseen junk files that complile on your computer.
Anything you can do to eliminate the headache that the computer has to remember will increase performance......You could also uninstall backed-up software that you never use (and re-install it when ever you wish to use it). The same goes with photos, videos, etc.......videos eat up alot of storage bytes on your HardDrive.
------IF ALL ELSE FAILS...... You could always do a full System Recovery;
-You must burn all of your important document, applications (software without a CD back-up), photos, etc - as you will loose all information during this process. Your computer will then be restored back to its original factory sent condition (thus removing all viruses, progran flaws from experimentations..like un-installing /reinstalling drivers without the proper steps, etc).
If you decide upon this, you must follow my previous instructions (no automatic updating, etc) to keep from falling into the same hole again !
-----You can do a full System Recovery by:
a. constantly click on the F11 key when restarting your computer (the System Recovery will take about 2 hours).
b. OR / insert your purchased Recovery Disc from HP at the computer startup / This process takes much longer (4 hours +/-) but does a more thorough job of cleaning and re-issuing the factory sent settings.
---Once you get sorted out....I also use a Registry Cleaner (CleanMyPC does an outstanding job for me..... / not the free advertisement version).
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Post by brotherx // Sep 9, 2008, 1:43am
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Em....you should never ever turn off the system restore checkpoints. windows update often uses them so you can recover if it goes wrong and some drivers also create restore points. It has saved my ass more than once.
Doesn't affect performance either except when sometimes updating.
The amount of times I've had to sort a computer out, usually by rebuild and often with loss of data, because they were told to turn it off....don't do it...trust me.
i've been supporting PCs on and off for about 14 years now and seen my fair share of this since XP was released.
it's like someone saying, oh, you don't need a virus checker. My brother ignored me and listened to a friend who told him this but his machine was getting slower and slower...Installed a virus checked found he had root kits, viruses and trojans all over his machine and had to do a complete wipe. Luckily they were non-destructive but still.... |
Post by splinters // Sep 9, 2008, 2:02am
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A compromise is to periodically (when your PC is running fine) delete the restore points. I regained over 40GB of storage doing this in Vista. Not sure about XP but if you run a disk cleanup (R-Click on your main HD and choose properties) there is a tab for further options. Here you can delete system restore points but only do this if you have not made any significant recent changes and everything is running OK.
Like BrotherX said...don't actually turn the feature off...:) |
Post by Mr. 3d // Sep 9, 2008, 4:49am
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Sytem Restore points are only used for troubleshooting. The computer does not require it to function normally. The computer does not require a backup for drivers or updates (or viruses). If your computer does not have an update, your updater will prompt you for this (regardless if System Restore is on or off). Try creating your own restore points (after changing your computer's configuration and everything is running OK) as Splinters suggests. Once you become more proficient with the computer, you will get tired of always creating new restore points and will eventially turn it off (realizing that you can solve any problem without the need for this to always run).
When trying out a new computer configuration, turn your System Restore back on to make sure you can restore your computer to its configuration (before the newer configuration) in case it is incompatible with your computer.
Sooner or later, you will realize that this is only used as a troubleshooting tool and is not required for the computer. |
Post by brotherx // Sep 9, 2008, 5:28am
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nope. not true. there have been a few occasions that updates, be it a virus checker update or whatever else has caused problems and when windows update runs, it generally creates a restore point. This is critical, particularly in a business environment when you could be losing 1000's a day because someone stupidly disabled the restore points and now the machine is dead.
Seen it happen.
Personally, if it were my company and a user did that, they'd be disciplined with an aim to dismissal.
If it wasn't needed after installation, why put it there?
just my opinion of course. |
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