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Rustic Dwelling
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Rustic Dwelling // Work in Progress
Post by MCW // Feb 27, 2008, 4:30am
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Hi,
I started trying to learn how to use V-Ray yesterday and this image is the result. I have decided to continue work on the image and use it in my portfolio.
http://www.montewolford.com/stuff/EastSmall.jpg
The things I currently dislike about the image are:
1 The bookshelf needs a few books.
2 The textures have some problems and need to be tweaked a lot.
3 The lighting still needs some tweaking.
Things I plan on adding:
1 Some table clutter.
2 An upstairs
3 A picture of a stern faced guy on the wall in a cheap plastic picture frame.
4 Shoes under the bench.
Any comments or criticisms would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Monte |
Post by Jack Edwards // Feb 27, 2008, 4:43am
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I like it a lot Monte! It has an almost illustration feel to it.
The textures and lighting look good. My crit would be that the wall and ceiling are a bit bare. You're idea about the photo should solve that. For the ceiling you may want to try a small iron chandelier or light fixture.
Great work here, can't wait to see it finished! :jumpy:
Welcome to the forums btw! |
Post by MCW // Feb 27, 2008, 6:52am
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Hi Jack,
Thanks for the input. I know just the thing to hang from the ceiling. Expect to see a cool light fixture in the next update.
Here are my latest changes to the ceiling and window.
http://www.montewolford.com/stuff/East2Sm.jpg |
Post by Jack Edwards // Feb 27, 2008, 7:13am
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Nice! Count me a fan, you've definitely got an eye for this stuff!
It's looking gallery worthy to me. Hopefully you'll enter it in the official monthly contest when it's finished. :) |
Post by jamesmc // Feb 27, 2008, 7:15am
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Stunning!
Definitely a contender for the monthly contest! |
Post by frank // Feb 27, 2008, 8:16am
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MCW,
This is really nice. You've done a fantastic job!
I agree with the others - this is certainly gallery-worthy. |
Post by MCW // Feb 27, 2008, 2:42pm
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Hi,
Thanks for the encouraging words. I may end up submitting it in the image contest once it's finished.
Here is an update with the new ceiling fixture, flip flops, and updated normal maps.
http://www.montewolford.com/stuff/East4Sm.jpg |
Post by kena // Feb 27, 2008, 5:50pm
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Looking good. Wish I was that good... :D |
Post by Steinie // Feb 28, 2008, 1:48am
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Welcome to the Forums Monte. I checked out your portfolio and it is quite impressive. It will be great having your talent around. |
Post by MCW // Feb 28, 2008, 4:58pm
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Hi Steinie,
Thanks for the welcome. It seems that most every one on this forum has a lot of talent. I should have joined years ago. It was all the news about Microsoft that got me reading the forum. I am trying to decide whether or not to stick with truespace or jump ship before I invest more time and money into the software. I am a pretty loyal user. I'm just concerned because of my past experiences. I started doing 3D back on DOS with a program called Imagine. I stuck with that program as it moved to Imagine for Windows and then it just up and disappeared.:mad:
I spent a lot of time today trying to get vray transparent textures to work. After thinking that I had lost my mind I found a thread on this forum explaining that while the manual covered the transparent shadow feature my new current version of vray dose not have the feature due to a bug.:confused: That really bugs me as I had planned on using that feature for this scene. I really hope they fix this soon!
Sorry to ramble on. Here is my latest update:
http://www.montewolford.com/stuff/East6Sm.jpg |
Post by rjeff // Feb 28, 2008, 5:23pm
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I am not sure..but I think you are lacking in some detail..there is just not enough of it...:) ...rockin' image..love it..and the stuff on your site... |
Post by kena // Feb 28, 2008, 8:28pm
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Nice!! I'm not sure that the owners of such a house would have a picture of Leonardo Da Vinchi in their room...
It does not appear to be the house of an inventor or artist. ;)
Maybe one of these instead?
http://wagonized.typepad.com/wagonized/images/old_man_with_pilot_pen.jpg
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/20625/20625-h/images/pg071_th.png
http://glennfletcher.com/hiramwright.jpeg
http://www.zionism-israel.com/bio/moses_hess.jpg
or maybe because they like books....
http://www.finboroughtheatre.co.uk/images/arthurconandoyle.jpg
http://artfiles.art.com/images/-/William-Gates/Portrait-of-Sir-Arthur-Conan-Doyle-20th-Century-Giclee-Print-C12260948.jpeg
or
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/18045/18045-h/images/img-front.jpg
http://www.notablebiographies.com/images/uewb_06_img0410.jpg
http://wondersmith.com/scifi/kipling.jpg
HTH! |
Post by rjeff // Feb 29, 2008, 4:11am
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Now Kena..lets not judge people by their dwelling...maybe he/she is a renaissance inventor or aritis. |
Post by W!ZARD // Feb 29, 2008, 11:32pm
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Howdy - I took a lead from Steinie and checked out your portfolio - nice work. I like the architectural styles depicted. It was also interesting in that I had no idea what software was used for creating the images.
So often the 3d art we see is defined as being made with a certain application or other, leading to predetermined judgments of an artworks merits based on the viewers prejudices for or against a certain app.
Whilst there is a need for this it was also refreshing to look at a series of interesting pictures with no idea as to what apps were used. This allows the art to stand as art rather than as the output of a specific software package.
We can look at the Mona Lisa and see it as great art without knowing what sort of brushes were used to paint it!
Nice work and welcome to the forums
WZRD |
Post by MCW // Mar 1, 2008, 5:09pm
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Kena,
Thanks for the list of picture suggestions. I looked through them all and really liked some of them. The image has kind of taken a new turn and because of this I have changed the picture to a Arabian horse.
W!zard,
I totally agree with you that art should not be defined by what program you are using. My program of choice so far has been trueSpace. I do over 90% of my work with it. I really do not like the fact the vray in trueSpace can not do transparent shadows. I guess I will have to check out dribble.
Here is the latest update:
http://www.montewolford.com/stuff/East7SM.jpg |
Post by kena // Mar 1, 2008, 7:16pm
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Ah.. an Arab in Germany? Must be a visiting dignitary. ;)
The horse is a good choice with your Arabian reading a book there.
The rest of the room is distinctly western. so obviously this is a visitor. could be an interesting story behind this picture. |
Post by W!ZARD // Mar 1, 2008, 11:31pm
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I don't know about which part of the 'west' you're from Kena but I would have said the decor looked distinctly Moorish/Arabian. Persian style carpet and the carving around the window frame, flagstone floor - Morrocco maybe?
I love the Arab guy but I have an issue with the horse picture. Arabian folk are usually also Moslem folk who usually do not go for pictorial representations of anything. Thus their art usually lies in such things as the decorative carving around the window and in beautifully flowing lines of script from the Koran - representational pictures are a big no-no - hence all the fuss over those Allah cartoons a while ago.
Other than that minor technicality it looks great. |
Post by kena // Mar 2, 2008, 5:54am
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I dunno... Judging from the outside and inside together, it looks like a combination of Italy and Germany. Ir an Asian concept of England I saw once. :D The reason I said he looked like a visitor was the very reason you gave about the picture. Whoever his host is could have put that picture up in order to make his/her guest feel more at home.
Don't that happen often? You do something to make your guest feel more at home, and the guest doesn't even recognize the gesture because it is foreign to them. |
Post by parva // Mar 2, 2008, 6:56am
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Interesting picture.
I had just taken an other color for the carpet and replaced the Caligari chair ;)
Have also took a look at your site.
The first part and the final from your Realtime Video is fantastic.
I wished trueSpace would create such results in realtime :D
Can I ask what for an engine you used for it? |
Post by rjeff // Mar 2, 2008, 10:09am
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not sure about all the customs of countries..as I love where I am, and probably will never leave. The only thing I see is the detail in the window. Some of the detail is not attached to other parts. There is some floating pices of wood. Is that supposed to be? |
Post by W!ZARD // Mar 2, 2008, 9:10pm
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I agree the outside looks more... temperate, than the desert-like surroundings one would expect.
I would have less lush looking vegetation and go for a yellower green for the leaves. I'd also go for a yellower light - assuming this Arab is in a traditional Arab country and not visiting somewhere more European as Kena suggests.
MCW - don't get disheartened by the comments here - we all want your pictures to be a good as possible and we're trying to help! |
Post by Finis // Mar 3, 2008, 4:15pm
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Really good picture. Lighting, textures, overall look and mood are awesome. I'm eager to see what you do with the window.
Did you make and pose the character model? Is he from MakeHuman or a similar program? The way the cloth folds or drapes on the bench and the man is excellent. Is that some light shining through the cape?
Another book and another pair of sandals? Another person is or was here!
I see elements from various places. The light fixture looks like an oriental paper lantern. The carving on the benches looks Celtic or Scandinavian while that on the window looks oriental. The Persian carpet with a little less detail could be Native American. The large rough floor tiles and simple, massive, unfinished chairs look like old furniture here in the southwest US. The stucco could be southwestern but the walls aren't thick enough for an old adobe house. The crackled road means a climate hot enough to quickly dry the dirt but it has rained recently or the road would be sand. The gun makes me think of India in colonial times. The walls across the street look middle eastern.
While numerous these suggestions are about very minor things. The picture fame could be wood. The diagonal ceiling beams should extend to the corners of the room. Great how those beams have a shape. I like that. The furniture could show more wear near the ground where it gets scuffed and dragged. There appears to be a door knocker on the inside of the door. The thin wagon wheels wouldn't last long without metal outer surfaces.
Speaking of metal. We are all accustomed to metal and glass in our modern lives. You could give this an interesting mood by having no metal or glass anywhere.
Finis |
Post by MCW // Mar 9, 2008, 6:37am
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Hi,
I have been busy doing paid work, so I have not had the time to work on this picture until this morning. I do have a few more touches planned for this image before it finished.
Parva:
I use the Quest3D engine for my real-time work.
Rejeff:
Thanks for pointing out the floating wood. I fixed that.
W!zard:
I have not become disheartened in the least .Thank you all so much for the great input. I really appreciate it. Congratulations on your latest animation. It was very entertaining.
Finis:
The Body is from MakeHuman. The cloth is nurbs modeled in trueSpace. The light fixture is from Yemen. Actually almost all of the textures in the image are pictures that I took while on a trip in Yemen. The Gun was modeled after an antique Egyptian gun. Thanks for pointing out the door knocker problem.
Here is the latest update:
http://www.montewolford.com/stuff/East9.jpg |
Post by parva // Mar 9, 2008, 7:49am
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Parva:
I use the Quest3D engine for my real-time work.
thank you.
so my suspicion was right :)
Great tool indeed! |
Post by Finis // Mar 9, 2008, 9:55am
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Just keeps getting better. Now, with the plant, there is an interesting transition from the bright light and warm colors outside to the shady and cool colors of the plant area.
Finis |
Post by kena // Mar 9, 2008, 10:00am
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Definitely looking more toward the east there. Good going! |
Post by Steinie // Mar 9, 2008, 3:17pm
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I really like your artwork however you have a ghost lion statue that comes and goes in your renderings.
Another mystery question...if the guy has sandals on and there is a tropical plant in the background, why the coat rack? |
Post by Jack Edwards // Mar 9, 2008, 4:17pm
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erh... did you mean *cloak* rack... :p
Hmm... could replace the coat rack with a bookshelf...? Or maybe put a towel on it and add a small entry table with a metal water basin? |
Post by kena // Mar 9, 2008, 6:36pm
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I like the water basin idea... give it the proper design for a well-to-do person in the correct part of the world and you should be ok. You know he is well-to-do because he owns books! |
Post by W!ZARD // Mar 10, 2008, 12:55am
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We're not in Kansas anymore Toto! No doubting the Arabic location now - this is excellent, I really like it.
I like the cloak/coat rack - it can get plenty cold in the desert at night plus there is plenty of other things that could be hung on those hooks - a water skin, a horses bridle and so forth.
I like the cool lighting over the plant - adds drama and makes the sunlight through the window that much warmer by comparison. You're well on your way to a killer picture here.
(And thanks for the kind words about my animation). |
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