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New 7.6 Coming Soon?
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New 7.6 Coming Soon? // Work in Progress
Post by Steinie // Mar 30, 2008, 3:18am
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Caligari won't tell us yet but I caught a clue. In their latest add for "Collaboration" the last paragraph says
In a (very near) future, online participants, represented as realistic avatars will meet inside photorealistic 3D spaces to work, learn and play together, without the hassle of building brick and mortar buildings, without the cost and pollution from burning gas in their cars and planes, without the time wasted traveling to those buildings, and without the risks of travel accidents or terrorism.
Here is MY interpretation of "Very Near"
If a Spider was "very near" I would jump. Timing = immediate
If a Storm was "very near" I would have time to run home. Timing = minutes
If your eating at a bad restaurant and the food is "very near" ready Timing = hours
If a Mother in Law was "very near" I would sell the House. Timing = Months
TrueSpace 7.6 in the "Very Near" future?
1) Start watching for Beta Artist examples to start showing up.
2) TomG will answer questions directly.:rolleyes:
3) Captain's Blog will be used again every 3 weeks
4) Global Warming will be a thing of the past.
5) Is Light Years a measure of Distance or Time...:rolleyes:
6) When my funds are at their absolute lowest I'll receive the "Caligari Early Announcement for only $$$$$$$$":D
7) My Wife moves back to her Mother who now lives back in the other State we just moved from, where the weather is bad and they have spiders...edit:(this was a JOKE)
8) I now have a Computer with 7.6 but it is now located in the Dog House. |
Post by kena // Mar 30, 2008, 4:36am
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oops... I think you meant to put this in roundtable, not wip..
Anyway.... in the Software world, Very Near means in the next 10 months. It could be tomorrow, it could be next week. Then again, if that line of code is wrong, it could be 10 months. |
Post by RAYMAN // Mar 30, 2008, 6:20am
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Now that youve put this into the wips..... !
What are you working on ...... a divorse ?:p
Peter |
Post by Jack Edwards // Mar 30, 2008, 8:12am
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weeelllll..... #4 may already be true since the data is now showing an oceanic cooling trend. The scientist community says they need more time to "massage" the data, but much of the Church of Global Warming is in crisis at the movement. And with the oncoming global cooling Americans will likely be asked to take up the call and produce more carbon emmissions... :p
LOL sounds like a joke but here take a look for yourself:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,333328,00.html
http://www.washingtontimes.com/article/20071219/COMMENTARY/10575140
http://ibdeditorial.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=287279412587175
http://www.dailytech.com/Temperature+Monitors+Report+Widescale+Global+Cooli ng/article10866.htm
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,320431,00.html
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2008/01/06/br_r_r_where_did_global_warming_go/
http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Science/2006/08/25/russian_scientist_predicts_global_cooling/7556/
http://www.businessandmedia.org/printer/2008/20080304113132.aspx
http://motls.blogspot.com/2007/01/peer-reviewed-global-cooling.html
But fear not, the Church of Global Warming has taken precautions against this and you will notice that phrases such as "Global Warming" are now replaced with "Global Climate Change".... ;) |
Post by RAYMAN // Mar 30, 2008, 8:19am
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so global warming is outfoxed .... hahahahhahah:D |
Post by Jack Edwards // Mar 30, 2008, 8:24am
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Yup, from what I've studied CO2 has little to no correlation with global temperature. Global temperature is directly related to solar activity.
Of course, we Americans need the rest of the world to *believe* in global warming so that people will buy our overpriced "green" products. ;) |
Post by RAYMAN // Mar 30, 2008, 8:45am
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Green products from the dark side.......
yoda ........ |
Post by RAYMAN // Mar 30, 2008, 9:16am
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The smilie always wins ! |
Post by rjeff // Mar 30, 2008, 9:28am
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I have know the whole time that Global Warming is a farse...it is nothing more than a money maker for the liberal left. Just ask Al Gore and his crappy slide show that made him 40 mil |
Post by RAYMAN // Mar 30, 2008, 9:54am
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hahahahaha:D
He doesnt seem to be your friend |
Post by hultek43 // Mar 30, 2008, 10:29am
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LMAO :)
Space, "The Final Frontier"...
trueSpace, a "work in progress".
"Lost in Space" a real old TV program.
Are any of the above statements true? Be sure to provide 'proof which is indisputable'. |
Post by Burnart // Mar 30, 2008, 11:20am
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Funny thread...
The history of the planet IS a history of climate change - just ask the dinosaurs! The question is to what extent its happening now and whether or not humans are the cause. If a bit of panic causes us as a species to clean-up our polluting act then frankly I'm all for it. |
Post by RAYMAN // Mar 30, 2008, 11:37am
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Yes here we ask the dinosaurs...... |
Post by Jack Edwards // Mar 30, 2008, 11:55am
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LOL Peter! :D
I don't think that the United States is the evil empire that you envision. The U.S. is actually reducing greenhouse gas emission already. (Something that most European nations are failing to do, btw.) We just prefer to do it our way instead of being told what to do by UN bureaucrats.
You probably don't believe anything that comes out of the American WH press releases but here you go:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/05/20070523-8.html
Here's a related article:
http://thefraserdomain.typepad.com/energy/2007/05/us_carbon_dioxi.html
My personal opinion of the Kyoto treaty (which China is exempt from btw) lies more along these lines:
http://www.eagleforum.org/psr/2001/july01/psrjuly01.shtml
And if you are a follower of the church of global warming then China should be one of your main concerns:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6587493.stm
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/06/20/1996/
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4176/is_20070621/ai_n19327845
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2007/06/mnp_estimates_t.html
Not to mention the higher gas prices (mainly caused by economic expansion in China and India) is finally putting a serious hurting on the U.S. economy. So we'll likely see further decrease in U.S. emissions as more companies go out of business or scale back their productions. Of course, a protracted U.S. decline will likely crash the entire world market (as we're seeing already with the whole "sub-prime" mess) so that may help reduce the world-wide global emissions, though likely at the consequence of returning many nations back into poverty. One thing will be certain, we'll at least be able to say that we live in interesting times... ;)
@RJeff, I think you'll like this article:
Ultra-Rich Cash in on Global Warming Hoax (http://newsbyus.com/index.php/article/94)
Personally I'm all for energy innovation and efficiency. The U.S. needs a goal to strive for and a new product to sell to the rest of the world. An "energy boom" like the "dot-com" boom could generate a lot of jobs and revive our stalling economy. Because oil has been so cheap, there had been little interest in alternative fuels, now with the prices up we're seeing a lot of interesting innovation. And if people buying into the Global Warming hoax helps produce funding and buyers for new technology then that's all well and good.
On the other hand, what we need to avoid is economy crippling idiocy that believes that "evil corporations" producing products and creating jobs (industry) is a bad thing. Basically that we should return the era of ox carts ... oh yeah that reminds me cow flatulence is a major contributer of green house gasses... guess we can't have those either....
The problem here in the US with alternative energy is as follows:
Ethanol - polutant, made from corn, special chemical foam needed to put it out if it catches on fire. Food prices go up.
Windmills - noisy, kill LOTS of birds.
Solar Panels - Toxic components, expensive to produce, the batteries emit toxic gasses during use.
Nuclear - (I'd like to see more nuke plants personally) No emissions, waste storage is a problem, environmentalists have made it impossible to license a nuclear plant for construction in the U.S. (Been something like 30 years since the last one was built.)
Coal - Cheap, fairly dirty. The U.S. has developed "clean-coal" technology to make this cheap resource more environmentally friendly.
Oil - moderately dirty, the U.S. government and environmentalist have made it very difficult to drill for oil in the U.S. Forcing us to rely on cheaper imported oil. The recent environmental law passed also prevents the US from buying oil from Canadian "oil sands" because they do not meet US emission standards for "alternative fuels".
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Post by RAYMAN // Mar 30, 2008, 12:17pm
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No not the evil empire ... just have my funny day !
When it comes to protecting our enviroment .... things are not that
easy. Global warming is not a hoax . What we see including some places with
lower temperature is not based on a theory.The United states is a big poluter but not the only one. With Chinas rapid growth we are having a big one coming up fast.Even agriculture produces CO2 !
There are some measures to be taken right now before it is to late.
Computer technology and people working from at home and not driving miles per day is just one of them.
Come on people .... its common sense that we have to do something !
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Post by jamesmc // Mar 30, 2008, 12:20pm
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An interesting statistic that not many know, read it somewhere - that the U.S. economy has grown faster than the EU during the past decade and at the same time reduced CO2 at a higher percentage rate than the EU who signed the Kyoto Treaty. :) |
Post by spacekdet // Mar 30, 2008, 12:22pm
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Help reduce C02:
"Don't just do something, sit there!"
This thread wins the 'Off-Topic Award Of The Day' |
Post by RAYMAN // Mar 30, 2008, 12:40pm
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An interesting statistic that not many know, read it somewhere - that the U.S. economy has grown faster than the EU during the past decade and at the same time reduced CO2 at a higher percentage rate than the EU who signed the Kyoto Treaty. :)
The EU arent realy masters at saving the enviroment !
The question is not who´s fault it is and where we have faster
results its that measures are taken as such and fast everywhere.
WE and I am talking about the whole world cant go on like that ....
It just wont work !;)
And Spacekdet......... Off topic award No because 1. it was part of Stenies statement
2. Killing the enviroment is a work in progress
Peter |
Post by Steinie // Mar 30, 2008, 1:03pm
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And Spacekdet......... Off topic award No because 1. it was part of Stenies statement
2. Killing the enviroment is a work in progress
Peter
I liked that !:D |
Post by rjeff // Mar 30, 2008, 1:31pm
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The way I see it AL "green" Gore shot himself in the foot when he did not approve of the Koyto when he was in office..and now when it suits his bottom dollar he is all for it. He is also has a house that has a huge "carbon foot print"..I hated to even type that. All Global warming is, is a way for the UN to Tax the US to death..they have so much as said so...if you want a different view point..if you stive to be openmided like Liberal treehuggers claim to be...the pick up "An Incovinent Book" by Glenn Beck. It is a good read about alot of topics..from GW to the Extreme Muslim terrorist threat to the world..that Europe knows all to well about now. |
Post by Burnart // Mar 30, 2008, 1:47pm
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rjeff, this whole "leftist conspiracy" approach to global warming that ties in the UN (and, no doubt, anyone else you don't like) is completely ridiculous and totally paranoid. Honestly I find it laughable. The crux of your argument seems to be that its all an anti-capitalist plot but the smart capitalists are jumping on the band wagon. US businesses have the potential to do very well out of a changeover to a cleaner, greener approach - I emphasise once again - if they are smart. |
Post by rjeff // Mar 30, 2008, 1:58pm
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It may be laughable but..it is nothing more than a way to get more money from us..The UN is trying to push a global tax for "global warming". The only people over here that are for this stuff is the Left..democrats..and some liberal republicans. It always results the same..more tax on the middle class breaking our backs...and all the politicans do is "talk" about it and say they are going to fix it..but they never do..they they would hurt them selves.. The enviroment is the last stand for the socialist, because hey who don't want to help the enviroment. Belive it or not..but most of the envior gropus are socialist..just like the ACLU is. |
Post by kena // Mar 30, 2008, 2:39pm
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OK… gotta step in here. And this is going to read like an attack, so try not to read too much into it.
I am not a socialist. And I doubt that any socialist would appreciate being called a money grubber. Which is what you are saying when you say that only socialists are for taxing the U.S.
However, you ARE correct about who bears the burden of increased taxes. The rich can afford lobbyists that keep getting them tax breaks, and you cannot increase the tax on the poor, because they have no money to take. So it is those of us who actually work to reduce pollutants - Produce one bag of garbage every 3 weeks, live across the street from work, walk to the grocery store and do all those other things – who actually have to pay taxes for the big businesses that cause the problem.
Honestly… How far do you drive to work every day? How often do you drive to a grocery store that is only 1/2 to 1 mile from your house? Do you buy the light bulbs that are 60 watt incandescent? Or do you buy the ones that are half again as expensive – last 3 times as long and use half the energy?
And for you other people.. not in the U.S.?
As far as I know there is not one city in the US where you have to wear a surgical mask to filter out the cancer causing haze you find in other countries. If you look at the TV lineup here, you will see at least 3 shows per day that deal with the consumer reducing waste. How many do you get? How well do you follow it when you do?
The way to reduce the “carbon footprint” is not to “tax” anyone for not following a plan they didn’t sign up for, but to Provide economic solutions for doing so that are better than the wasteful ones.
To misquote a proverb:
Force a man to fish, and he will butcher cows behind your back to get steak. Provide the fish at a better price, and he will beat a path to your door to save money. |
Post by spacekdet // Mar 30, 2008, 4:58pm
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I'll paraphrase Instapundit (http://www.instapundit.com/):
'I'll believe it's a crisis when the people telling me it's a crisis start acting like it's a crisis.'
And just a little comparison between 'action' and 'results' (http://sfcitizen.com/blog/2008/03/30/earth-hour-comes-to-san-francisco-lights-out-for-one-hour/)
Do what you can and just enjoy the ride. |
Post by Jack Edwards // Mar 30, 2008, 5:27pm
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While in general I agree with you Kena, there's two points of quibble:
"Big business" is providing products to us the consumer. The pollution they produce is the cost of providing the product at a specific price point. If we the consumer are not happy with a companies policies we should buy from a different company. This happens all the time for example when you hear about boycotts, and in the age of the internet the threat of boycott is extremely dangerous for companies.
I also agree with your point about Americans generally being good stewards of their local environment. With the few exceptions of parts of New Jersey and California, the United States is a fairly clean place.
Also of consideration is that as far as global warming goes, the power plants are one of the largest contributers to "green house gasses" and "we the people" directly affect that with our consumption of electricity. The solution isn't to ration peoples electricity, but rather to allow competing companies to develop cheaper, cleaner, and more efficient ways to produce that electricity. Some of that legal/contractual infrastructure is already in place for that here in the US. For example if I install solar panels on my roof and produce more energy than I consume, my electric company has to pay me fair market rate for that power that I produce. I had a friend in college who installed a power turbine into a waterfall in his backyard and made a fair bit of money selling power back to his electric company. I think this agrees well with the thrust of your post.
My other quibble was the fluorescent lightbulbs. Which I suppose are now the official light bulb of the USA now that incandescent lightbulbs have been outlawed by congress and everyone is now mandated to phase over to fluorescent lightbulbs over the next few years. The problem is that the fluorescent light bulbs provide crappy light which is awful for lighting your house or doing any kind of art work. And, they contain a fairly large amount of mercury which is considered a hazardous material and has special disposal restrictions because of it's toxicity... Much better are LED lightbulbs which use a very small amount of electricity and produce a much more pure light.
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BTW, nice one Spacekdet! :)
Also steering the thread back to TS: I think Stienie's got a pretty good track record for predicting these TS release dates....He was dead on with 7.5 when I was beta testing via proTeam and didn't have a clue that it was even close to being released. It'll be interesting to see how close he is this time. :D |
Post by kena // Mar 30, 2008, 5:56pm
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the LED lights give worse light than the florescent in my opinion. For a four foot lamp, they use milligrams of mercury... I cannot find out how much exactly, but all my research agrees it is milligrams. For the light bulb replacements, the amount is about 1/10 of that 4 foot overhead. It's a small step, but it's a step.
I keep looking at the LED lights, and once they are affordable for what I get, then I will gleefully switch to them. Even though their construction requires gallium, arsenic, and/or phosphor in order to operate. so their construction does not actually have a zero footprint either. |
Post by Jack Edwards // Mar 30, 2008, 8:02pm
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Hmm... guess you're right on this one Kena. I did some searching and it looks like the CFLs have improved quite a bit while LEDs with good white color are expensive, dim, and hard to find. Looks like we're still some years away from getting decent LEDs at an affordable price:
http://www.1000bulbs.com/LED-Light-Bulbs/34846/
This online store did have a lot of variety and some non-full spectrum options in the $10-$15 range though:
http://ledlight.com/LZHousehold.aspx
I bought a 6 pack of CFLs back about a year or two ago. 4 of them died in the first 60 days, the last two I'm wishing would die because the light is such an awful harsh greenish. One finally found a home outside on the front porch where it can pain the neighbors eyes instead of mine... lol. So I guess that experience has biased me against CFLs a bit. :p |
Post by W!ZARD // Mar 30, 2008, 8:40pm
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Things are so quiet on the software news front that everyone is discussing the weather!
FWIW I tend to take a fairly Buddhist approach to global warming/conspiracy theories by taking the Middle Way. The 'truth' actually lies somewhere between both extremes. All human behaviours are driven by positive intentions - even if the outcome is not always positive for someone else. The polluters have a positive intent to sell cost effective product that improves life for others and themselves. The greenies have the positive intention of wanting to protect the environment. Both are worthy intentions and aren't necessarily in mutual opposition to each other.
We are most comfortable at the median between the extremes of ... say heat and cold, wet and dry, hungry and overfull etc. Seems to me we are also most comfortable between the extremes of ecology versus economy. Too much of one is bad for the other.
I also expect that the real threat to life on on Earth or life as we know it will be something we didn't even see coming. Personally I believe the greatest threat to humanity is the all-too-human tribalistic attitude of 'Us or Them'.
To me the key word is 'global' climate change or 'global' economy. All the time that we speak about the UN and the US, or The East and the West or mess around making time wasting references to who is at fault and where they live we are missing the global perspective.
10% of the 'global' waste is produced by the tiny percentage of the 'global' population that happen to live in one location - is this an equitable and fair or reasonable situation? The fact that that geographical - or geopolitical location is California USA is actually irrelevant. If the situation was located in a different part of the globe - say Mozambique or Portugal - the equation would be the same.
Nationalism, the essentially arbitrary sub-categorisation of groups of humanity leads to militarism, terrorism, exploitation of one group by another (Tibet anyone?) is potentially the biggest problem facing mankind.
We talk about America not signing Kyoto, we talk about China's emerging industrialism and EU regulations and so on - all of which disguises and obscures the fact that it's bunches of people doing stuff that impacts on other people. You can't be an American without first being a Human. You can't be European without being Human and you can't be Chinese without being Human. (Even being human creates a distinction between one specific life form against all the others - but that's a whole other conversation)
In the end it all comes down to mathematics - to be able to resolve fractional problems you must find the lowest common denominator and work from there. It seems clear to me that it is the fact that we are all now a global society, we are all human beings, that is the lowest common denominator. The path through it the middle path through the extremes.
"Moderation is the silken thread running through the pearl chain of all wisdom"
Many Muslims are OK - it's the extremist that cause the problem - many Christians are OK, it's the extremists that cause the problems - many economist/industrialist are OK, it's the extremists and many conservationists are OK, apart from the extremists.
Ah damn - I was going to keep this post short and sweet but it appears I've had another Leo Tolstoy moment :D - Apologies for that. |
Post by RAYMAN // Mar 31, 2008, 1:45am
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I think this is the appropriate place and right time to
WISH AL GORE HAPPY 60 BIRTHDAY TODAY ! |
Post by RAYMAN // Mar 31, 2008, 1:48am
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OK OK wrong place wrong smilie and I promise I
wont do it again ! |
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