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Study in PSD Layers
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Post by jamesmc // Oct 11, 2007, 3:28pm
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Studying lighting and photoshop layers (hue, brightness, layers, etc.)
glass bottle and orange used as models. |
Post by trebs // Oct 12, 2007, 1:28am
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This is a 'finished artwork' ? |
Post by jamesmc // Oct 12, 2007, 7:48am
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This is a 'finished artwork' ?
You're right, it really isn't art and I shouldn't have posted it. It was my continued study in photoshop and trueSpace layers. I'll be more prudent next time. |
Post by 3dfrog // Oct 12, 2007, 8:28am
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I suspect Trebs would say this to a majority of the work at the museum of modern art as well. Maybe it is not finished artwork to Trebs, doesn't mean it isn't. Don't apologize for your work. Maybe you can explain a little what you were aiming for here. And maybe Trebs can make a constructive criticism and not a snide malicious comment. |
Post by trebs // Oct 12, 2007, 9:39am
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I suspect Trebs would say this to a majority of the work at the museum of modern art as well. Maybe it is not finished artwork to Trebs, doesn't mean it isn't. Don't apologize for your work. Maybe you can explain a little what you were aiming for here. And maybe Trebs can make a constructive criticism and not a snide malicious comment.
<sigh>
people are sooo sensitive.. we need cotton wool around everything and to keep sharp things out of view too?
Jeez. A pic is posted in Finished artwork. I ask a simple question.
I should said "WOW. AWESOME?... now please explain why it's here, what the benefit of layers was? and some sort of explanation?
I could say I was offended and back in therapy because I was confronted by a non-conformist view and personal interpretation of and orange and a bottle.
If it had been presented as such, I could have braced myself, taken a step back and then said.. Nice Art, man.
I didn't. I'm sorry. |
Post by 3dfrog // Oct 12, 2007, 9:45am
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Well Trebs, to me your comment seemed like a harsh jab. Maybe it wasn't intended to be that way, sorry if I misinterpreted it. You don't have to say great art or anything if that's not your feeling about it. I was just concerned that people starting out with art will feel intimidated posting their work for review for fear of mean comments. You can say whatever you want, I just see more value in constructive criticism. |
Post by splinters // Oct 12, 2007, 9:59am
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Maybe it is just that ongoing work or studies of anything; layers, materials or modelling etc. usually reside in the WIP section and this area is 'intended' for finished artworks. At least that is how I have perceived it over the years...:rolleyes: |
Post by 3dfrog // Oct 12, 2007, 10:12am
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Ok if that's all that was meant I apologize for jumping to a conclusion. Sorry for the confusion. |
Post by jamesmc // Oct 12, 2007, 10:20am
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Sorry for posting, it was my mistake and perhaps coming back to this forum as well - maybe for even buying tS 7.5 was a mistake.
I'll go back to my hole, everyone will be happier. |
Post by trueBlue // Oct 12, 2007, 11:05am
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Sorry for posting, it was my mistake and perhaps coming back to this forum as well - maybe for even buying tS 7.5 was a mistake.
I'll go back to my hole, everyone will be happier.
As soon as I seen trebs's post #2, I had a feeling that this what would happen. I really would not let one person bother you James. Life is far to short. Just ignore the bad & negative and go forward with the good & positive. We all make mistakes... especially me. :rolleyes: |
Post by jamesmc // Oct 12, 2007, 11:13am
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You're right trueblue, life is too short which is why I will be moving on to other software to do 3D animations. I've done thousands of 2D animations, so have that to fall back on for reference and to build.
Thanks Norm for taking a chance on me again, I guess I just don't fit in this community. Cya |
Post by splinters // Oct 12, 2007, 11:31am
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James I am sure that this was just an innocent question asking 'are you showing this as a finished piece rather than a WIP?' i.e. are you sure you want to post it in this section. No harm done either way but I guess a lot of users come here to view finished pieces or go to the WIP threads to see what is developing.
AS you said this was a study, I guess Treb wondered if it was intended to be posted as finished.
Still, you will read the responses as you wish. I wish you all the luck with whatever software you choose. Keep well...:D |
Post by trebs // Oct 12, 2007, 11:38am
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oh boy..
Yeah, a straight question, efficient in words, as was the topic starter.
Packing up the toys and going home wasn't what I expected, clearly other people didn't expect that reaction either.
Be prepared for tougher comments if you're going to other user forums, and good luck. |
Post by Steinie // Oct 12, 2007, 1:55pm
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No Trebs because you didn't have a clue about James your smug comment sent him packing. You did the same act before the first time you came. You try to come across harmless after your curtness has already caused the harm. Stop telling everyone to toughen up in one of your self glorifications and mellow your "words of wisdom" This "Artist should toughen up" crap is old. Did you hear me or is there wool in YOUR ears. Your bringing nothing to this table except your ego.
I could see a huge change in JamesMC trying to get a long with everyone here and I don't want him to leave.
Posted 8/8/2006 Trebs says this about another user here.
" It's hardly fair to praise people for posting something in the finished artwork section when the finished artwork is seriously sub-standard. I offered perfectly constructive advice."
This substandard crusade your on is old. Do you need the page for user submissions to the Gallery? You need an outlet... |
Post by trebs // Oct 12, 2007, 9:31pm
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No Trebs because you didn't have a clue about James your smug comment sent him packing. You did the same act before the first time you came. You try to come across harmless after your curtness has already caused the harm. Stop telling everyone to toughen up in one of your self glorifications and mellow your "words of wisdom" This "Artist should toughen up" crap is old. Did you hear me or is there wool in YOUR ears. Your bringing nothing to this table except your ego.
I could see a huge change in JamesMC trying to get a long with everyone here and I don't want him to leave.
Posted 8/8/2006 Trebs says this about another user here.
" It's hardly fair to praise people for posting something in the finished artwork section when the finished artwork is seriously sub-standard. I offered perfectly constructive advice."
This substandard crusade your on is old. Do you need the page for user submissions to the Gallery? You need an outlet...
And who are you to tell people what to say and how to behave?
My dad? Was I talking to you? You seem to like chasing around jumping into other people's matters.
Don't like it, don't read it. Easy. |
Post by jayr // Oct 13, 2007, 12:39am
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Whoa, has this got out of control.....
Something i've always thought a problem about reading peoples words rather than hearing them is the tone is missing and be easily taken the wrong way.
If trebs had said "is this finished or a wip?" would the reaction have been the same? If not then i think it's just the tone that's been mistaken.
James, leaving the forum just because of one comment really isn't the right thing to do, no-one wants you to leave. |
Post by Steinie // Oct 13, 2007, 3:43am
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Trebs,
I'm not a lurker and participate in these forums and galleries. Matter of fact I use trueSpace unlike yourself. I didn't come here from a hiatus beating my chest, you did. So the tone here changed when YOU arrived not when I got here. Two people have been effected by YOUR comments. Keep the facts straight.
Since you don't read this stuff you'll never change. Sorry I'm not your Dad, believe me you wouldn't be acting like this around me.
At least read this one to find out more about the person you criticized.
http://forums1.caligari.com/truespace/showpost.php?p=21027&postcount=9
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bipolar_disorder
This case and young kids do not deserve critiques you flaunt. |
Post by trebs // Oct 13, 2007, 6:47am
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Trebs,
I'm not a lurker and participate in these forums and galleries. Matter of fact I use trueSpace unlike yourself. I didn't come here from a hiatus beating my chest, you did. So the tone here changed when YOU arrived not when I got here. Two people have been effected by YOUR comments. Keep the facts straight.
Since you don't read this stuff you'll never change. Sorry I'm not your Dad, believe me you wouldn't be acting like this around me.
At least read this one to find out more about the person you criticized.
http://forums1.caligari.com/truespace/showpost.php?p=21027&postcount=9
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bipolar_disorder
This case and young kids do not deserve critiques you flaunt.
'This is a 'finished artwork' ?' was a simple question. Still can't figure who promoted you to be someone to tell me what to do. Oh well.
I'd agree to differ, but it seems the only agreement you're pleased with is your own.
Oh, and that bit 'Sorry I'm not your Dad, believe me you wouldn't be acting like this around me.' is more threatening than anything I've ever said. Sad.. very sad that you need to talk like that. I can deal with it though, that's the difference, you don't seem to be able to.
That's life. Render on. |
Post by Norm // Oct 15, 2007, 12:56pm
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People, like PSD's have many layers. Steinie and trebs seem fixated on the wrong layers at the moment, but we are all hopeful they will step out of the darkness and into the light. Which btw trueSpace can do by rendering your PSD by light :):cool: |
Post by butterpaw // Oct 15, 2007, 3:25pm
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@jamesmc -
I'm really hoping you'll get back to read this, because I want you to know there are people here that do understand about the issues that plague you.. and appreciate your liveliness and creativity in the face of these obstacles. My eldest daughter, now 42, has struggled with it for many years, and it has had a devastating effect on her life, and been hard for those who love her too, as she persists in self-medicating with alcohol, making herself vulnerable to some fairly nasty sorts. Also, it shadowed the life of a very dear friend, who at the same time had one of the finest, most creative minds I've encountered - her early passing was due to other, insurmountable physical problems - I miss her).
I'd just like to say, trust in your abilities to continue developing new skills - it's clear to me that you have many already (I'm attempting a similar transition) and keep in mind there are lots more people out there (and around here) who will be more supportive than you might imagine. I hope you'll come across my post when you're in a cooler frame of mind, and decide to continue work on your modeling, hopefully using trueSpace, and also post here in these forums - but honestly, anywhere is good, just do it. :) The world is very imperfect, and there will always be people who either deliberately, or even by accident, hurt our feelings.. it's just another bump in the road, we need to remind ourselves there might be something really nice beyond such bumps.
I did not get to see your piece, as I guess you removed it, but I do know that artists (and composers) often call their completed works 'studies' .. so it might not have been a WIP (remember I didn't get to see it)... but even if it was, well no biggie.. just post in WIP ... they are just forums after all, places to talk about things.
Anyway, I'd really like to see it and hear what you have to say about what you're doing/have done... you have interesting ideas which is why I started reading this thread! Oh, and while you're at it, have a look at my banner below... see that nice trueSpace7.5 uSer logo in there? A creative fella (calls himself jamesmc) made that, and I really like it! :)
^_^ |
Post by rjeff // Oct 16, 2007, 3:46am
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is it just me guys..cause I ain't seeing nothin' |
Post by butterpaw // Oct 16, 2007, 4:09am
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I think james removed his image, rjeff. |
Post by rjeff // Oct 16, 2007, 6:57pm
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well that is a shame..I wanted to see. Because after my castle is done the next thing I am going to toy with is layered textures in PS. |
Post by W!ZARD // Oct 17, 2007, 12:28am
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My Mum always taught me that 'Manners Maketh The Man'.
I believe that the person who choses to NOT act like a gentleman is no better off than the person who CAN"T act like a gentleman. My question for Trebs is, which one are you?
If you CAN act like a gentleman then please do so - effective communication is marked by it's ability to clearly convey meaning. Your comment about James artwork is demonstrably ambiguous given that it caused James to get upset and 3dfrog and Steinie to both react strongly. If your words were truly well meant then why is there so much doubt about their meaning?
There is no doubt about this though; you COULD have chosen to word your response to James more kindly and thoughtfully - you didn't. Additionally you have been repeatedly called on this behaviour before - whilst it's none of my business you might want to think about asking yourself if there is a lesson you could be learning here - just a friendly suggestion ;). |
Post by trebs // Oct 17, 2007, 1:11am
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My Mum always taught me that 'Manners Maketh The Man'.
I believe that the person who choses to NOT act like a gentleman is no better off than the person who CAN"T act like a gentleman. My question for Trebs is, which one are you?
If you CAN act like a gentleman then please do so - effective communication is marked by it's ability to clearly convey meaning. Your comment about James artwork is demonstrably ambiguous given that it caused James to get upset and 3dfrog and Steinie to both react strongly. If your words were truly well meant then why is there so much doubt about their meaning?
There is no doubt about this though; you COULD have chosen to word your response to James more kindly and thoughtfully - you didn't. Additionally you have been repeatedly called on this behaviour before - whilst it's none of my business you might want to think about asking yourself if there is a lesson you could be learning here - just a friendly suggestion ;).
If you want me to be blunt and brutally honest, it can be arranged.
If people choose to read my very simple question as something deeply offensive then to me that shows clearly that some people lead a sheltered life.
Note: big statement in another thread declaring 'i'm leaving tS', then running back to the comfort zone because another forum is full of nasty people.
Quite frankly, being told by everyone here that my manner is rude is in itself very rude and judgmental of people. Why should I fit to the norms of others if others are offended when I even hint at the same. Namely trying to raise the bar of output quality produced by tS.
I'm sticking around, in between my jobs and things. I'll continue to drop in my comments and observations too. I know already that many have thanked me for them. So thanks for your input.
btw, why's this thread still open anyway? topic started chose to remove the image and now it's just try to hound out trebs thread?
bzzzt. failed. :) |
Post by rjeff // Oct 17, 2007, 3:20am
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Hmm this is a dicey situation. I do howerver have to side with Trebs. He can't try to appease everyone. That is what is wrong with this world anyway,people wear their feelings on their sleeve. I did not think what he said was all that bad. I think maybe some what valid. How is he to know who may have a illness and who does not. People need to read the surface more and read into the depth of a puddle less. So that is just my two cents..anybody need change. |
Post by splinters // Oct 17, 2007, 3:39am
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Honesty is good, tact is a bonus...:D
I thought the exact words that Treb said; 'Is this a finished piece?'
But I thought a little and didn't ask that, preferring to question if it was in the right section. If it had been a WIP then constructive criticism would have been offered.
Considered as a finished piece (which is what I expect to find in this section) it was pretty poor...blunt, honest.
So a series of unfortunate event that lead us to where we are. If James is around I hope he reads this thread and accpets all the comments for what they are.
But, if he really has gone, is there any benefit to the rest of the forum users by batting this out any more? |
Post by W!ZARD // Oct 20, 2007, 2:30am
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If you want me to be blunt and brutally honest, it can be arranged.I'm all in favour of honesty and I certainly wouldn't expect you to be dishonest for anothers sake - but I do question the need for bluntness and brutality. When do these qualities ever serve a useful purpose? (See comments on Game Theory below)If people choose to read my very simple question as something deeply offensive then to me that shows clearly that some people lead a sheltered life.Well that's a perfectly valid opinion and you of course are not responsible for how other people choose to react to your words. However if such a 'simple question' has provoked others to take offense then to me that shows clearly that the simple question (and it's tone) is ambiguous. That's not some big crime it's simply not overly effective communication.
Quite frankly, being told by everyone here that my manner is rude is in itself very rude and judgmental of peopleThat would be true if that is what is occuring. Personally, I have not said your manner is rude, just that it's ambiguous. The comments I made about gentlemen and manners were not directed at you as such. They were intended as a observation about relevant principles and I stand by them.
I certainly have no desire for you to "fit to the norms of others". It's not something I do nor would I ever advocate it. My interest is to facilitate clearer and more effective communication. This is something that is often hard to acheive.
Glad to hear you're sticking around Trebs - your input (even the blunt and brutal bits) is far preferable to your silence.
I do hope that my observations here have not contributed to you feeling that this is a "try to hound out trebs thread". I would not wish for you to take offence at any of my words ;).
He can't try to appease everyoneUm, why not? I do - within certain limits. Providing I'm not being dishonest, and providing I'm aware that it'd very unlikely that I can actually appease everyone, that does not and will not stop me from trying.
This does not make me a peace-loving, knit-your-own-muesli, hippy mung bean muncher - it makes me a follower of sound scientific thinking. Studies in Game Theory show conclusively that 'always nice' is the most effective strategy in any social context. Not only that but it's just more pleasant! |
Post by Johny // Oct 21, 2007, 2:34am
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Hey!
What happened here???
I think we also need some members comments like Trebs's here, for push us for make more good scene :D
PS: Trebs's feel free for comment my finished images ;) |
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