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Post by Igor K Handel // Mar 16, 2008, 1:49pm
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Hi all and happy St patricks day for tomorrow.
In a flying hurry here so just some quick toons .
In honour of St Patricks days.. Heres a wee toon I wrote n recorded on my trusty Violin and keyboards
As Usual load page and wait 10 secs for button to stream direct, no download needed! ( to be sure )
http://www.4shared.com/file/40990381/4237bbf1/The_Clock.html
I was doddling today and my 5 year old daughter insisted she feature in my WIP toon I was recording.. Heres her voiceover.. LOL sounds like damien?
http://www.4shared.com/file/40988626/d8a3056c/emily.html
And finally heres some more of Classical meets er,, well not classical.. IK composed, played and recorded as ever... hope you like it..
http://www.4shared.com/file/40988974/4086d738/VlnMan.html
As ever
Yours
IK Handel |
Post by hemulin // Mar 17, 2008, 10:41am
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Brilliant as ever IK! |
Post by Igor K Handel // Mar 17, 2008, 1:14pm
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Cheers hem
I've just tonight got the hold of an awesome cello sample lol. Hmmm what to come up with next? Been doodling most of the night it's just that amazing. :jumpy: Always wanted to be able to play the Cello. So little time so much to do.
IK |
Post by Igor K Handel // Mar 18, 2008, 2:27pm
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Hey Butterpaw..
You just gotta check out this Cello sampler it's truly the most stunning sampling I have ever heard. Bowing, staccato, spicatto, harmonics, phrasing, portamento, expressive controllable vibrato. At last maybe technology is starting to do what I had always wished it could have for all these years.
Anyways heres a very short melody I knocked up this evening using the samples on my keyboard. Sorta chilled out. Very much the classical side of me.
http://www.4shared.com/file/41210847/f7740e9f/mellowCello2.html
Yours
Ik
If you are interested I can get you a link for a 30 day trial of the sampler for you. (Theres a strad violin version as well) |
Post by notejam // Mar 19, 2008, 9:33pm
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I ran across this virtual performer pdf file, and think most of you would enjoy it so here is the link to it. http://vrlab.epfl.ch/Publications/theses/J_Esmerado_Thesis.pdf |
Post by Igor K Handel // Mar 20, 2008, 10:18am
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Notejam..
The link below seems to come up with a blank page, is the link correct?
Cheers for the info
IK |
Post by mrbones // Mar 20, 2008, 10:20am
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http://www.booyippee.com/Pages/Lounge/loungeitems.aspx?id=mrbones&s=0
Howdy Folks,
Here is some of the music I have produced over the last 2 years since I started this thread.
Comments and criticism is welcomed.
Enjoy and Cheers |
Post by Igor K Handel // Mar 20, 2008, 10:54am
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Checked out all your mixes MrBones..
While it isn't my type of music I was well impressed with the production, how the heck you get such full mixes yet everything is so clear... thats neat!
Of the all the tracks I liked "Over Quick" the best followed by "Bang Bang".
Shame this type of music always seems to involve swearing though. Guess I am old fashioned? (Despite working on building sites that ain't exactly staffed by nuns :D)
You've inspired me to start trying to improve my mixing quality by miles. Cheers for that! Now I just have to work out how the heck to do it:cool:.
IK |
Post by mrbones // Mar 20, 2008, 2:37pm
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Thanks Igor,
The production process is quite involved and is indeed no easy task by any means, No matter how you slice it It was a lot of hard work coupled by an immense amount of blood sweat and tears, not to mention a phenomenal cast of artists.
I created the music in full by creating most of the beats and instrumentals including drums, guitars, keyboards and orchestral arrangements, recording and tracking all the vocals, then mixing in Protools audio software. followed up by mastering the final mixes with various vst audio proccesing plug ins.
Even though we started recording 2 years ago, I thought I was a know it all of music production then, Boy was I wrong, Ive only recently dicovered in the last 3 months through 2 years of trial and error evolving into true techniques of making music sound good and it is not at all what you might think as far as just using tecnical knowledge or good software to make it sound that good.
it is in most part the use of applied knowledge of how acoustical sound works and the PHYCHOLOGICAL implications of how it is applied through the air to be recieved by your ears and brain. In short it is not a matter of making it sound good, it is understanding how to create the illusion of making music and soundwaves sound big and full. To make it sound that good it is 90% phycholgical and 10% technical Remember that to make any sound, sound big you need a little tiny sound in contrast. For example the little sounds make the big sounds sound bigger. but that is only one example...
Here are some links that might help acheive the sounds you desire.
http://www.kvraudio.com/ for vst audio plug ins.
http://www.digidesign.com Protools recording software.
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/oct03/articles/bobkatz.htm Bob Katz Audio engineer.
and this article was probably the most helpful for me.
http://www.moultonlabs.com/main/cat/Mixing/
Thanks again and Cheers |
Post by notejam // Mar 20, 2008, 5:17pm
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Notejam..
The link below seems to come up with a blank page, is the link correct?
Cheers for the info
IK
The link works but you do need the latest acrobat reader to see the pdf file appear. |
Post by Igor K Handel // Mar 25, 2008, 4:50am
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Thanks for the detail in your reply MrBones, I have saved the links to favorites, as it's becomming fairly obvious this could be a pretty long learning curve. On the face of it simple, but actually there is a heck of a lot involved, at least to get myself to your level of expertise. I guess now is as good a time to start striving for better quality as any. Sooner I start the sooner I get at least part way to where I'd like to be at.
Thanks for the info Notejam, guess I need to update my pdf reader then.
Yours IK |
Post by Igor K Handel // Apr 19, 2008, 11:08pm
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Just a quick post to consolidate the various links to IK's compositions
http://www.4shared.com/file/37342803/54d5a7ff/04_Track_4.html
http://www.4shared.com/file/37332574/3f08ebd8/08_Track_8.html
http://www.4shared.com/file/37332722/a8986ec6/18_Track_18.html
http://www.4shared.com/file/37332415/1f9716ff/20_Track_20.html
http://www.4shared.com/file/38124640/b28565d5/Belfast_Grand_Opera_house.html
http://www.4shared.com/file/38237545/69e8dbf3/Classical_Anarchy.html
http://www.4shared.com/file/40988626/d8a3056c/emily.html
http://www.4shared.com/file/38125588/aa117bd7/FanfareIntro.html
http://www.4shared.com/file/38237068/23a40727/IK_Acoustic_Guitar.html
http://www.4shared.com/file/41210847/f7740e9f/mellowCello2.html
http://www.4shared.com/file/40990381/4237bbf1/The_Clock.html
http://www.4shared.com/file/38125406/84b2b6ef/The_Gulls_of_Blackhead2.html
http://www.4shared.com/file/40988974/4086d738/VlnMan.html
Yours
IK |
Post by mrbones // Aug 18, 2008, 9:44pm
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A new music composistion in the works tenativley entitled "Shmoo"
Emphasis is on guitars and vocals are a bit rough (will probaly delete for something else).
I was thinking of creating a character animation to this soundtrack.
Something with an alein spaceship landing then taking off at the break (aka ELO, George Clintons mothership and or Boston album covers comes to mind.) Maybee a reincarnated alein Jimi hendrix appears then summons the audience to join him on his ship for a journey into space and the unknown. Bring your headphones though, because sound cannot exist in outerspace.
Comments and constructive critisism welcomed.
Thanks again and Cheers |
Post by Igor K Handel // Aug 19, 2008, 3:37am
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Daft question but why does your avatar have the B backwards on his hat?
Am downloading as I type
IK |
Post by Igor K Handel // Aug 19, 2008, 3:55am
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Fun piece, wish I could play the Guitar! Best mate is pretty hot but spends a load of time out of the country playing. Suspect my promised lessons likely will never happen.
For my money guitars are just punchy enough to drive it forward. everything moves forward and the progression leads the listener forward without any nasty surprises or dead spots. The drums at about 1:30 onwards are very dry. Personal taste thing maybe. For me they kinda sit outside the mix, rather than adding to the momentum and completeness of the overall sound?
Vocals really don't add much until about 3:30 when they get going. prior to that they are lost in the mix.
Reckon you got yourself a good solid start.
IK |
Post by mrbones // Aug 19, 2008, 8:05am
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The only daft question is the one that goes un-asked,
Answer: I had to flip the hat in photoshop to fit properly,
and it is a Detroit D, but I can see how it looks like a B.
good eye!
WIll try to flip later..
Cheers
Daft question but why does your avatar have the B backwards on his hat?
Am downloading as I type
IK |
Post by mrbones // Aug 19, 2008, 8:15am
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Hi Igor,
Thanks for checking it out and the review.
When you mention the drums being dry, is it a paticular instrument or the tone of the drums? not loud enough, or crispy enough? I thought the kick drum was punchy enough. Also I was trying to emulate a large live on stage sound.
Thanks again and Cheers,
P.s. some of the guitars in the start were played backwards. Maybee that gave a sense of progression.
Cheers
Fun piece, wish I could play the Guitar! Best mate is pretty hot but spends a load of time out of the country playing. Suspect my promised lessons likely will never happen.
For my money guitars are just punchy enough to drive it forward. everything moves forward and the progression leads the listener forward without any nasty surprises or dead spots. The drums at about 1:30 onwards are very dry. Personal taste thing maybe. For me they kinda sit outside the mix, rather than adding to the momentum and completeness of the overall sound?
Vocals really don't add much until about 3:30 when they get going. prior to that they are lost in the mix.
Reckon you got yourself a good solid start.
IK |
Post by Igor K Handel // Aug 19, 2008, 9:19pm
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For my money the drums need a tad of reverb added, particularly at the point around 1:30. Compared to the rest of the stuff going on they are too dry, which perhaps is whats making then sound like they are seperate from the rest of the track? Might be worth checking the stereo position and spread of the drums too, might have an impact on bringing them into the mix.
Of course all this is the black art of mixing and everyone has their likes and dislikes, their own way of working etc. All I can do is say it as I find it, others may have different ideas, really there is no right or wrong, just what works for the biggest no of listeners I guess.
Years ago I was a piano tuner/technician, and as part of that job I used to look after the pianos of a fair number of recording studio's. A bit like being a fly on the wall sometimes. I saw some right heated technical "discussions" on what a mix should sound like lol. Quite funny at times, though it's twice as hard to tune a piano with a verbal war going on in the background, used to drive me nuts if I had a limited amount of time to get the job done, which was usually the case.
Cheers
IK
Cheers
IK |
Post by mrbones // Aug 19, 2008, 9:42pm
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Hi Igor,
Now I know what you mean, Thanks for clarifying, I can add reverb to the drum drack, more specifically adding a snare, claps and hihats that are heavily reverberated then finely mixed into the current tracks may do the trick and also fix the stereo spacialization issue that you mentioned.
I trust your suggestions because like ross perot, you got good ears.:D
Must be from tuning those pianos.
No hurry on this project though..
Thanks again and Cheers!
For my money the drums need a tad of reverb added, particularly at the point around 1:30. Compared to the rest of the stuff going on they are too dry, which perhaps is whats making then sound like they are seperate from the rest of the track? Might be worth checking the stereo position and spread of the drums too, might have an impact on bringing them into the mix.
Of course all this is the black art of mixing and everyone has their likes and dislikes, their own way of working etc. All I can do is say it as I find it, others may have different ideas, really there is no right or wrong, just what works for the biggest no of listeners I guess.
Years ago I was a piano tuner/technician, and as part of that job I used to look after the pianos of a fair number of recording studio's. A bit like being a fly on the wall sometimes. I saw some right heated technical "discussions" on what a mix should sound like lol. Quite funny at times, though it's twice as hard to tune a piano with a verbal war going on in the background, used to drive me nuts if I had a limited amount of time to get the job done, which was usually the case.
Cheers
IK
Cheers
IK |
Post by MarieBergantz // Aug 20, 2008, 5:22pm
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Wow, you guys have some good stuff here! I'm not much of a mixer, but I am a composer, more classical style. I use Finale Print Music to write my music in. Here's two for you to sample ^_^
This first one is an orchestration of the alma matter of a school that I worked for last year. Sadly, it was just a long term sub position, and I won't ever get to hear the kids actually try to play it. :(
AlmaMatter (http://www.geocities.com/chiisaiko2001/WVAlmaMatterScore.mp3)
The second here is the first movement of a Requiem that I've been working on since 2001. It's unfinished, I've written out all the choral parts, and now it's just a matter of orchestrating the whole thing, but that takes a lot of time, especially since I keep playing with other things, XD Like learning how to do 3D art.
Requiem (http://www.geocities.com/chiisaiko2001/Requiem.mp3) |
Post by W!ZARD // Aug 22, 2008, 4:55am
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A new music composistion in the works tenativley entitled "Shmoo"
Comments and constructive critisism welcomed.
Thanks again and Cheers
Hi Joe - do you have a slightly more compressed version or somewhere else I can DL from? The DL from the forum times out at around 9mb so I've not been able to hear it.
@MarieBergantz - I grabbed your mp3's but I'm off to bed now - I'll give 'em a listen tomorrow and get back to you (I'll even turn on my lava lamp while I listen;). |
Post by mrbones // Aug 22, 2008, 8:44am
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Hi Wizard,
Here is the more compressed version.
Let me know if you get it ok.
Cheers
[FONT="Comic Sans MS"][COLOR="Purple"]Hi Joe - do you have a slightly more compressed version or somewhere else I can DL from? The DL from the forum times out at around 9mb so I've not been able to hear it. |
Post by Igor K Handel // Aug 22, 2008, 9:44am
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Marie I try both links
first one is 2 chords only. (short and sweet)
Second one is to unavailable page?
IK |
Post by MarieBergantz // Aug 22, 2008, 12:09pm
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*sighs* Geocities is a pain in my rear end....
I'll have to find another site to host them on and re-post with the links.
EDIT: Does anyone know a good site to host files like my music samples? I tried zShare, but I decided not to use that site 'cause all the ads there are for...adult entertainment...and that's not my cup of tea. |
Post by Igor K Handel // Aug 22, 2008, 8:48pm
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Marie try this link. it allows up to 1 gig online storage.. Free.
Will stream audio direct from the file after a few secs. have been using for about 6 months, it works really well.
http://www.4shared.com/
Cheers
IK |
Post by W!ZARD // Aug 22, 2008, 11:31pm
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Marie, Hi, I use http://www.4shared.com/ too (Igor put me onto it) - I'm fairly happy with it - the only real restriction is you have to visit your account there at least once a month - they email you a reminder.
I was able to grab both your toons - the first one, if I'm brutally honest, didn't do much for me. It sounded like a lot of other Christian Devotional music I've heard and was not that memorable - it sounded very MIDI if you know what I mean.
The second one (Requiem) also had that devotional vibe going on but I like it much better than than the first - it was truly atmospheric (especially in the opening movements). I thought it seemed a little busy in the middle but then I like simple music with lots of space in it. My partner (she's also a musician) also preferred the second piece.
Mr Bones - Thank you I was able to get the second file with no problems. Schmoo Guitars! My partner liked it better than I did - not that I didn't like it too. I'm a fan of melody and this piece did not seem to have a central melodic theme - the opening section felt a little too long though and I was much happier when the drums kicked in - like Igor I think the drums could be fattened up with some reverb, Some more repetitive funky bass would be the way I would go, just to give the piece a little more structure - it feels a tad too free-form for my preferences.
I did like the scales used with the guitar though, had a sort of Middle Eastern feel to it that was very cool (reminded me a little of some of Jimmy Pages Eastern flavoured music).
Overall, I liked it but after having heard it there was no 'hook' in my mind - which of course may well be deliberate on your part - usually after hearing a tune there is a piece of the melody that stays in your mind - this piece was too free form for that. Interesting stuff though, it'll definitely go into my tS Muso's Playlist :D |
Post by MarieBergantz // Aug 23, 2008, 6:49am
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Igor: Thanks!
W!ZARD: ^^; It sounds very MIDI-ish because it is MIDI. It's meant to be played by live musicians, not by a computer, and alas, I have no one to perform my work. The choral parts have actual lyrics that are meant to be sung, and would probably sound a heck of a lot better when you add the dynamic variances.
The first one was a school's Alma Matter, just a simple orchestration for that one because it was a for a middle school orchestra. I would have made it much more complex, but I was limited by the abilities of the students it was written for.
^^; If the Requiem sounded devotional, then I did my job right. It's actually the first movement of a much larger work, entitled "Requiem", based on the Latin mass for the dead, usually found in the catholic church. A traditional Requiem mass is about an hour long, and many musicians over the course of history have set them to music. Some of the most famous one's are by Mozart (well, actually, one of his students did most of the work, as Mozart himself died before it was finished...it's a big debate among music scholars), Dvořák, Fauré, Verdi, and even Andrew Lloyd Webber. ^^ If you do the research, you'll discover that there are thousands of different musical settings of the Requiem, dating all the way back to the days of Gegorian Chant.
I've been trying to do mine in a late classical period, early Romantic period style. If you want an idea of what that style should sound like, look up anything by W.A. Mozart.
*deep breath* For everyone else who like to sample my music, here are the new links for 4shared.com. Please note, as I have said above, they are MP3 format, but they are recordings of the MIDI from my computer, and are limited in sound quality. I hope to someday have these actually played and recorded by live musicians, and when that day comes, I will be glad to share the recordings with you. I just wouldn't hold my breath 'cause that's not likely to happen any time soon.
WVAlmaMatterScore.mp3 (http://www.4shared.com/file/60156755/b9109eb4/WVAlmaMatterScore.html)
Requiem.mp3 (http://www.4shared.com/file/60156756/2019cf0e/Requiem.html) |
Post by Igor K Handel // Aug 23, 2008, 8:34am
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hooray. I could stream the audio directly from those new links.
Marie the compositions are fine it's the midi and keyboard that isn't showing off your music to it's best.
Been a long time since I messed about with midi. If possible its better to record each track on your PC with you playing it live. Makes it less robotic. us humans don't keep time so good, so that is what adds life and expression to a piece. We also hold back or accelerate a little to accent particular moments in music. Unfortunately midi recorded through maybe score writing software, (Sibelius springs to mind) always sounds very regimented, without hours and hours of manual tweaking... a royal pain! I have that T-shirt and it's a terrible way to get a good performance. It can be done, but its exceptionally hard to breathe life and soul into a piece using this method.
As we all are, without the full orch and choral ensemble we have to rely on keyboards or samples etc. (I'm still trying to find a high quality choral sample synth, been looking for probably 20 years on and off) Unfortunately for you the keyboard also doesn't help. Again it's like the midi, trying to get a believable simulated "live" performance from any keyboard is difficult, but trying to get it from a lower end keyboard is never going to work (for anyone, not just you) IF you have the money I recommend looking at PC software "synths" as a close as it might get sound alternative, they can be triggered from your midi keyboard, so no new keyboard is needed
As a classically trained orchestral player I know EXACTLY what you are trying to achieve in your compositions, and the actual writing is spot on, its how to translate it into something you can record yourself is the problem (that we all have).
Ok so for what it's worth have a listen to the recordings that can be achieved on a pc using software and a midi keyboard.
IF you have lots of money(unlike me) "Miroslav Philharmonik" is an excellent orchestral simulator.
Heres a link to the audio demos for it, take a listen you will be impressed!
That's what £500 of software can do for you. (there is a 10 day free trial if you want to download it)
http://www.philharmonik.com/Main.html?prod_MP
There is a very good cello sample disk out in internet land too. For the life of me I can't remember it's name. Begins with G lol.
Anyway hope that gives you some ideas. At the very least you can have 10 days of free real orchestral recorded samples to trigger from your midi keyboard. SO get those tracks recorded and real fast :D
Hope that helps
IK
ps here is a link to a rough theme I played with using pc cello samples
was only a trial of the software.
http://www.4shared.com/file/41210847/f7740e9f/mellowCello2.html |
Post by W!ZARD // Aug 24, 2008, 12:37am
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W!ZARD: ^^; It sounds very MIDI-ish because it is MIDI. It's meant to be played by live musicians, not by a computer, and alas, I have no one to perform my work. The choral parts have actual lyrics that are meant to be sung, and would probably sound a heck of a lot better when you add the dynamic variances.Yes I can sympathise. It's a little easier for me as I compose my MIDI stuff with a 'Piano Roll' editor which I think allows you to be a little more reckless than writing from notation (something I can only do in a rudimentary fashion).
What I try to do a break up the strict uniformity of MIDI sounds. As I use MIDI to create accompaniments for my Guitar and Keyboard playing I can get a more Human feel by recording .wav files along with the MIDI.
Also, some MIDI instruments just work better than others. One thing I do a lot is compose a MIDI track - say I want some String sounds. Once I have the melody sorted I copy the track and change the instrument to add a different texture. So I might start with a Sting Ensemble MIDI track and copy from it a Church Organ track which I turn right down in the mix. This gives a subtle richer quality to what sounds like a Sting Ensemble. You can add any number of additional voices this way.
Another technique I use a lot is to record the individual MIDI tracks to wav files which can then have a range of digital processes applied to make the sound richer - reverb, delay, some subtle flanging and duplicating the wav with different EQ settings, compression - all these things can take a tinny MIDI sound and beef it up.
I'm a fan of duplicating the wave file and putting slightly different effect levels on each copy, so one sounds more bassy and has a longer reverb while the other sounds more trebly with a touch of flange or wah. Mix 'em back together with a dash of additional delay or reverb, and a smidgen of dynamic compression and your flat original MIDI sound has taken on a whole new personality.
Try using different reverd and delay settings for different tracks that are copies of the same original track - this works well with strings and simulates the effects from an orchestra where on violinist is closer to the wall than another so each instrument or group of instruments in a reall orchestra will have it's own reverb characteristic depending on where it's positioned in the auditorium.
Applying these techniques too heavily will just create a muddy MIDI sound of course so experiment and try different combinations - even ones that seem quite radical - to break up that dry MIDI feel.
You can do this sort of thing with free software but of course the more you pay the better the options are - for me, MIDI is always the start of the process, but never the end.
Hope this helps |
Post by mrbones // Aug 24, 2008, 8:58am
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Hi Marie,
Can you post the midi file?
Igor: Thanks!
W!ZARD: ^^; It sounds very MIDI-ish because it is MIDI. It's meant to be played by live musicians, not by a computer, and alas, I have no one to perform my work. The choral parts have actual lyrics that are meant to be sung, and would probably sound a heck of a lot better when you add the dynamic variances.
The first one was a school's Alma Matter, just a simple orchestration for that one because it was a for a middle school orchestra. I would have made it much more complex, but I was limited by the abilities of the students it was written for.
^^; If the Requiem sounded devotional, then I did my job right. It's actually the first movement of a much larger work, entitled "Requiem", based on the Latin mass for the dead, usually found in the catholic church. A traditional Requiem mass is about an hour long, and many musicians over the course of history have set them to music. Some of the most famous one's are by Mozart (well, actually, one of his students did most of the work, as Mozart himself died before it was finished...it's a big debate among music scholars), Dvořák, Fauré, Verdi, and even Andrew Lloyd Webber. ^^ If you do the research, you'll discover that there are thousands of different musical settings of the Requiem, dating all the way back to the days of Gegorian Chant.
I've been trying to do mine in a late classical period, early Romantic period style. If you want an idea of what that style should sound like, look up anything by W.A. Mozart.
*deep breath* For everyone else who like to sample my music, here are the new links for 4shared.com. Please note, as I have said above, they are MP3 format, but they are recordings of the MIDI from my computer, and are limited in sound quality. I hope to someday have these actually played and recorded by live musicians, and when that day comes, I will be glad to share the recordings with you. I just wouldn't hold my breath 'cause that's not likely to happen any time soon.
WVAlmaMatterScore.mp3 (http://www.4shared.com/file/60156755/b9109eb4/WVAlmaMatterScore.html)
Requiem.mp3 (http://www.4shared.com/file/60156756/2019cf0e/Requiem.html) |
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