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Post by xmanflash // Apr 21, 2007, 9:16pm
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Have you used it yet for the online jamming capabilities? :banana:
-3dvisuals dude
Hi 3DVD - No - I just used it to postprocess a wav rendered mix with VST plugins (Ozone) but it gave me a good idea what this is capable of.. I have never seen so many options in almost every function before!
I might try the jam at some point but I'd need some time and some Jack Daniels! |
Post by 3dvisuals dude // Apr 22, 2007, 3:42am
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Hi 3DVD - No - I just used it to postprocess a wav rendered mix with VST plugins (Ozone) but it gave me a good idea what this is capable of.. I have never seen so many options in almost every function before!
I might try the jam at some point but I'd need some time and some Jack Daniels!
Ahh yes... I remember Jack...
I was sippin Jack one night at a little pub in Marthas Vineyard while I was doing a set of James Taylor songs, I knew he came from there and the crowd seemed right at home with that stuff. There was one tall skinny dude in the audience that seemed to be paying an unusual amount of attention to the style I was injecting into the JT songs on the fretboard (which I recognize in a fellow guitarist when I'm doing a set). This guy stayed for the whole set and at the end as he was leaving took the time to tell me how much he enjoyed it and that his name was Livingston Taylor... James's brother.
One of several little brushes with fame over the years... oh well.
Anyhow, when you try out the jamming features of Ninjam be sure to let us all know here what it was like for you, I have an idea it will be strange at first but a good thing as you get used to it, and it would be great to see it utilized here within a near-live trueSpace setting for fellow TS musicians.
Be sure to check out The Loft Audio Video Lounge WIP in the WIP section of these forums by the way and let me know what you think about the idea in general, I think it could become a very popular and fun truePlace.
http://bestsmileys.com/music1/19.gif
- 3dvisuals dude |
Post by Chester Desmond // Apr 23, 2007, 4:26am
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Cool story, live acoustic was something I always wanted to do but lacked the disciplne to get there(stupid Truespace haha). My brother and I both installed REAPER (he lives 8 hrs away from me) and within minutes we were jamming together.. all you have to do is load Ninjam as a vst (plugin) in a track in Reaper (fully functioning shareware with a $35 fee for non-commercial use after 30 real days of use)
I had 2 softsynths and a hardware synth running at the same time and we jammed for 2.5 hours straight with not even the slightest hiccup. It recorded everything in 1 bar chunks and each of our streams on separate tracks for later mixing. I added effects, changed programs on the synths, enabled\ disabled synths and it handled it all seamlessly. It handles whatever you put in, so you theoretically could stream a live band if you had enough mics and mixer inputs; in fact there is a plugin to broadcast your ninjam session realtime to internet radio!
It was the most fun I've had with a PC in years especially since my brother and I had been looking for something like this for a long time. We were just freeform jamming with keyboard sounds (old Tangerine Dream style) but there is a metronome for more structured jamming; I think the one bar delay would take some getting used to if you were trying to actually play a "real" song. There is no latency to speak of other than the intentional as 3DVD quoted above.
It's funny to think of jamming in the same sense as joining a multiplayer game with a bunch of strangers. Especially when you hear about a jazz pianist ending up with some heavy metal guy wanking away at light speed on his guitar while some drum circle in Idaho tries to keep time to it all.
An incredible piece of software.
PS flashman, what are your thoughts on Philharmonik so far? I've been eyeing that and the Garritan Personal Orchestra for a long time. |
Post by xmanflash // Apr 23, 2007, 4:54am
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Well - that makes ninjam sound really cool - I'll have to give it a go...
Re Philharmonik, I got it for $200 second hand so for me it was a no-brainer.. I want to do some soundtrack work and it was the cheapest medium quality solution available. I am happy with most of the samples, although I noticed quite a bit of aliasing in the violins, along with some weird harmonic distortion, enough to be annoying on a sustained note..
Hope its not another Dual Core VST issue like the one I had with the geforce Oscar!
I'll have to work with it some more... the pre-defined positioning is great, you can play a full orchestra with each instrument in the correct spacial position (pan and reverb wise) which saves a lot of time and knowledge!
The normal 499/599 price would have been out of my price range, but if its in yours, then try the demo (available online) and see what you think :-)
p.s. - just got back from a Herbie Hancock gig.. He was in Sydney, and with Vinnie Colaiuta, Nathan East and Lionel Loueke - it was excellent! |
Post by 3dvisuals dude // May 1, 2007, 2:43am
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Hi again Chester, Xmanflash, and the rest of you trueSpace Musicians,
I have a treat for you, your new Loft Audio Video Lounge and Park is ready for your vote in the following thread:
http://forums1.caligari.com/truespace/showthread.php?t=2718
What do you say we actually make this happen? :D
Thanks for your support,
- 3dvisuals dude |
Post by 3dvisuals dude // May 7, 2007, 10:21am
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<snip>
It's funny to think of jamming in the same sense as joining a multiplayer game with a bunch of strangers. Especially when you hear about a jazz pianist ending up with some heavy metal guy wanking away at light speed on his guitar while some drum circle in Idaho tries to keep time to it all.
An incredible piece of software.
<snip>
Thanks for the details Chester, this software combo (Ninjam and Reaper) sounds amazing.
I have got to go get an electric guitar and try this myself (I could cry over selling my old ones over the years, including a vintage Les Paul Custom Deluxe... argh!!!).
Listening to you talk about strangers jamming brings back some pretty funny memories for me, I suppose we've all had our share of strange jam sessions!
One night I was down at the beach in Rhode Island, for just one instance, and I was jamming with this dude on the side of the road near an all night food place... he had driven by earlier - saw me jamming away alone there - went home and brought back his acoustic bass and started jamming. So there we were... small crowd gathering... this dude doing killer delta blues riffs all over a fretless bass and me there with this Gibson 12 string just having a blast cutting my fingers to the bone... and up somes this long black limosine...
This capped driver steps out and opens the door for this -VERY VERY OLD black man in the back... he asks if we mind if he sits in for a few minutes (I asumed he meant he just wanted to listen since he was so old, but no...
...he says thanks, produces a glass slide from his vest pocket and a capo from his pants pocket... grabs the twelve string and flips it backwards (he was left-handed) and starts doing some of the most amazing delta blues variations I have ever heard or seen... I mean jaws were dropping there, this guy was truly great. Afterward I asked him who he was and he just grinned as he climbed into the limo... after his driver closed the door for him he said the man's name was "Tarzan Jones." None of us there had ever heard of him, but none of us who were there that night will ever forget him either... I still wonder to this day about him.
I also used to have a friend in Connecticut I built a stage in my lakeside house just to jam with, he played at least 24 jazz instruments fluently, his name is Alex Pekham. He used to be in a jazz group you may have heard of, Spyro Gyra.
Have you guys got more jamming stories too?
- 3dvisuals dude |
Post by rj0 // Jan 8, 2008, 8:56pm
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For the musicians out there, perhaps an interesting event, some sort of escalating sale on WusikStation:
http://www.wusik.com
rj |
Post by Igor K Handel // Feb 9, 2008, 9:46am
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Hi guys n gals
About 30 years ago I trained as an orchestral violinist, at the Royal Academy of Music, London. By default we also had to learn the piano. As luck would have it there were no jobs to even apply for the year my four year performers course finished. So I have actually made a reasonable living after all ;). And I had met all those lovely young ladies too, so it definitely wasn't wasted lol.
After further training I became a piano technician and for 15 years owned one of the best known Piano shops in Ireland. Pretty well any big name band of the times, playing in Ireland, had their concert piano tuned by me. U2, UB40, the Communards, Chris Deburgh etc etc I would sometimes spend weeks on tour, only having to actually work 2 hours a day.. loads of fun but man I always needed a holiday when I go back.. parties were much more important than sleeping lol. Oh I also got arrested busking outside NotraDame cathedral, whilst on a gig in Paris amongs other adventures .. And they didn't even give our money back.... grrh We were raking it in too. It was working out about £100 an hour, and this is years ago!
Though completely out of the music business for some years I have always kept some sort of keyboard and electric violin in the house, and when the notion takes me I compose some toons in my very basic bedroom setup.
About 15 years ago I hooked up with a singer/songwriter and we got to the finals of All Ireland Entertainer of the year (I orchestrated his acoustic ballads) with my self playing at that time my trusty Korg Trinity. Unknown to us the 1st prize was a week gigging at Butlins.. lol its as well we lost!
The classical background sorta creeps in sometimes, but to describe my music beats me.. see what you think?
Anyways please find links to 3 of my many instrumentals below, none are larger than 4.4 meg.
Bedroom Productions presents (rofl):-
http://www.4shared.com/file/37332574/3f08ebd8/08_Track_8.html
http://www.4shared.com/file/37332722/a8986ec6/18_Track_18.html
http://www.4shared.com/file/37332415/1f9716ff/20_Track_20.html
Yours
IK Handel |
Post by splinters // Feb 9, 2008, 9:53am
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Good to see this thread resurrected Igor, and I continue to be amazed at how many tS users are musicians.
:banana::banana: |
Post by Igor K Handel // Feb 9, 2008, 10:02am
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update
I have just checked the files from the links posted below.. and amazingly for a FREE web file server... its streaming audio straight from the page. Check it out excellent freebie find.. up to 5 gig storage, 100mg max per file, and now streaming AND ITS FOR NOTHING.. woohoo. The connect times are fast too, a streaming file 5 secs from page opening.
yours IK |
Post by Igor K Handel // Feb 9, 2008, 10:03am
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I am beginning to think you live in here lol |
Post by splinters // Feb 9, 2008, 10:10am
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Maybe I do....:rolleyes: |
Post by Igor K Handel // Feb 9, 2008, 10:46am
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Following on from 3DVisuals
Years ago I met this polish Guy who was staying In Ireland for just 6 months as his Irish Wife had been homesick.
He was the atypical heavy metal guitarist even down to the way he dressed and his long hair. He lived to play, and the idea of a job was a completely daft concept to him.
Me as I said I have a classical background, we should have been like chalk and cheese, but something just clicked and we had an absolute ball.
Now Yarek had a BIG drink problem, but I have never played with such a good Guitarist before or since, his Guitar was just an extension of his body as far as I can tell.
So anyway here we are one sunday morning in my home studio. Its 10.30 and already Yarek has polished off 3/4 of a bottle of vodka. Me I am severly struggling to keep up, stand or even see out. Even he is slurring his words, despite apparent years of practice (Drinking that is)
He writes down about 5 chords on a scrap of paper. Says to me lets busk it, change chord when I nod.. it goes like this... and what came out was the following.. no edits just a fade at the end.. no practice just a straight jam..
I was like an octopus between the keyboard fill pedals and the keyboard, and checking the mixer etc.. OK he has the voice of sandpaper, but man could he play that guitar.
To this day I don't know if it was his busk or even his song, I still don't know what the heck he was singing as I don't speak Polish. But I am really glad I recorded it as we played for that one time.
Unfortunately Yarek went back to Poland shortly after our impromptu session, I miss the laffs we had.
I was so Ill for days after that. I thought I was going to die lol
Anyway heres the link.. no practice no edits just a final fade as it goes pear shaped after that, mainly because Yarek stumbled and knackered his effects unit lol .Heres the Busk
http://www.4shared.com/file/37342803/54d5a7ff/04_Track_4.html
IK |
Post by W!ZARD // Feb 9, 2008, 5:49pm
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Impressive resume there Igor - and great sounds too!
And learning of your classical background just makes your 'IK Handel' handle even funnier than it already was! (Please god don't tell me that's your real name!;))
Thanks for sharing the cool sounds - and thanks for highlighting your file sharing site too - I may just have to sign up myself.
Oh yeah, and if I haven't already said this - welcome to the forums. |
Post by Steinie // Feb 9, 2008, 6:44pm
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Igor,
I really enjoyed all three of your songs. Nice Violin work!
GDAE
Steinie |
Post by Igor K Handel // Feb 9, 2008, 10:44pm
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Thanks for the comments guys
LOL No I am not saddled with Igor K Handel as a real name.
My real name is Bezier spline Handel, but it just doesn't roll off the tongue :p
Thankfully I didn't get my cousin's name. He is in the army. General Protection fault. I mean what a mouthful!
I pity my sister her name is Poly Edit Handel lol
ok ok enough :D
IK |
Post by hemulin // Feb 10, 2008, 4:53am
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I've only listened to the first one so far, but it sounded great. If only all violinists played like you do. :rolleyes: |
Post by Délé // Feb 10, 2008, 5:34am
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Yes, I like the music too IK. Good stuff. :) I liked the stories too.
It's interesting what a tight knit group musicians are. Perhaps the fact that there are so many in the tS forums helps make it the tight knit community it is here. I know I was friends with all kinds of other musicians. Everything from folk singers to death metal guitarists. Music just has a way of bringing people together I think, and a lot of musicians just like jamming, no matter what the style.
It's also cool how everyone kind of has their brushes with famous artists. When you get out and jam, you just end up running into people I guess. I can't say I've meet anyone super big, but I did get a chance to jam with one of the guys from the Bodines once. That was fun. I also met a studio musician when I was in Colorado Springs that had performed on some really famous albums. I don't remember all the artists he mentioned, but I remember he said Janet Jackson was one of big names he had worked with. I had an opportunity once to jam with Prince's horn section too (sorry, the artist formally known as Prince :p). They used to jam weekly with a band named Primal Groove that was a friend of ours. I don't remember why it fell through, but I missed out on that one.
Still, it's fun when you have a brush with some of the folks that "made it" in the industry. Although just having a good jam session is a good time in and of itself. ;) |
Post by W!ZARD // Feb 10, 2008, 5:46am
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Yes, I like the music too IK. Good stuff. :) I liked the stories too.
It's interesting what a tight knit group musicians are. Perhaps the fact that there are so many in the tS forums helps make it the tight knit community it is here. I know I was friends with all kinds of other musicians. Everything from folk singers to death metal guitarists. Music just has a way of bringing people together I think, and a lot of musicians just like jamming, no matter what the style.
;)
I think one thing that musicians have is a sense of harmony - they know how to do their on thing in ways that harmonises with others - that's pretty much what a jam session is! - rather than in ways that are discordant. Muso's know when to step up and solo and when to fade back and let someone else lead.
I think the ability to do that extends into all areas of a muso's life. Additionally the act of playing music requires the use of both sides of the brain. Musical ability often gives abilities with art, creative expression, writing and so on.
Finally, if you've got the self belief and self confidence to stand up and perform in front of five thousand people - well that's something that gives you a certain faith in yourself.
Ah hell - it's getting late again and I'm starting to get all philosophical! I'm off to bed!
PS It's 4:46 am Monday morning here as I type. |
Post by butterpaw // Feb 11, 2008, 4:26am
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I used to play in a symphony orchestra, chamber groups, musicals, weddings.. well you see.. ;-) and teach, of course...
yeah, there's something about performance .. but now? well, I still compose ... ^_^ |
Post by Igor K Handel // Feb 11, 2008, 9:27am
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Butterpaw, why not upload a few of your compositions on the site I mentioned in previous posts, its free and very simple to do. Love to hear other folks artistic creations
Heres a link to the site if you are interested
http://www.4shared.com/
Yours
IK |
Post by notejam // Feb 14, 2008, 9:46pm
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Here is a 3d musicians site for you to visit. You will need to download the browser for it first. Navigate with the arrow keys on keyboard, page up, down changes look up/down.
Its a pretty neat place to visit, and hugh worlds to explore.
http://www.musicworld3d.net/home.html |
Post by butterpaw // Feb 15, 2008, 2:39pm
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Thanks for the thought IK, I might find time to do that one of these days :) .. a string quartet is a rather extensive thing to share, and it sounds best if it's performed by live musicians, but some other things are shorter.. :p |
Post by Igor K Handel // Feb 16, 2008, 4:50am
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In my 4th and final year at the RAM I was lucky enough to be in the winning quartet, in the principle string quartet competition of the Academy, a highly sought after accolade in the rarified atmosphere of the Royal Academy of Music, London. It was sponsored by our mentor Sydney Griller, an ex professional Quartet player himself. I still have the certificate up on our wall some 30 years later.
My Violin tutor was Derrick Collier, Ex Leader of the Bournemouth Symphony. and my Viola professor was Max Gilbert, Ex principle viola of the London Philharmonic.
An amazing lady called Mildred Litherland taught me piano, she had been a child prodigy and started her concert pianist and recording career at the amazing age of only 8 years old. Mind you that was years ago and she was at least a zillion years old when I studied with her.
The last time I played a live quartet was In Wimbledon, at THE poshest wedding I have ever witnessed. Picture a huge Palacial Victorain building, at a guess with maybe 50 bedrooms. Around the ornamental lake ( complete with row boats) there were literally hundres of candles. Very pretty. The food and drink was ONLY caviar, and champagne. As a Paid Quartet, in tails etc, a silver ice bucket was placed in the centre of our group with four glasses. We never managed to finish a bottle as before it was even empty a waiter magically appeared and a new bottle and fresh ice miraculously appeared. And then they paid us as well lol. As we were only required to play for two one hour stints, and we had drunk way too much champers, needless to say we ended up in the row boats on the lake, in our dinner suits and bow ties, the two girls in their flowing finery. Would have made a great photo, but none of us had brought a camera... shame. I had such a bad head the next day I thought I was dying lol. I also decided that Caviar was vastly over rated and I would rather eat a bag of salt! Hmm Guess I am a bit of a peasant at heart :)
Sure Live string music is THE ideal, but hey that isn't an option..
Yours
IK |
Post by 2much4U // Feb 16, 2008, 5:22am
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Huh...I never noticed this thread before (shame).
Here's my musical work thus far:
http://crackmatter.newgrounds.com/audio/ |
Post by Igor K Handel // Feb 16, 2008, 7:17am
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Liked the last track the best. as you say perhaps it could be extended quite a bit
Ik |
Post by Igor K Handel // Feb 17, 2008, 12:21pm
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It's Sunday and I having been doing my TS modelling practice all morning. I eventually got so exasperated with both my own shortcommings and the quirkyness of TS, that in order to chill out I sat down to my yamaha keyboard and did a bit of a rough sketch of what I hope to compose next.
Be warned it's 100% classical, and somewhat rough, but I think it successfully introduces a part of the main theme, and a secondary theme as well (the sidedrum motif) hmm maybe thats pushing too much in too short a timeframe within the piece.. As I said its a sketch so the recording needs polished and there is something odd going on in bars 14/15 chord wise, but heck it gets the idea over. Anyway I guess this is aimed at encouraging Butterpaw to get uploading lol.
heres the link
http://www.4shared.com/file/38125588/aa117bd7/FanfareIntro.html
Whilst I was uploading I threw in a couple of other compositions I did in the past.
For about 8 years I tuned Pianos for all concerts in "The Grand Opera House, Belfast". The norm was that on the afternoon of an evening concert, I would turn up and sit onstage tuning away, usually with the whole Stage to myself, the auditorium etc having all the lights off. Anyway there I was having finished tuning this Concert Grand Yamaha, and as a treat to myself as it was a nice instrument I thought I would have a quick doodle on the old ivorys. I had kind of evolved this melody as a quick demo for when I sold Pianos in my Shop. So there I was plaing away in solitary enjoyment, a single spotlight on myself and the Piano, the rest total darkness. The was the odd creek and distant clatter, but I'd got used to the noises the old building made over the years I had worked there.
As I packed up my equipment I was just about to leave when out of the darkness a bloke appeared. He said that he was the sound engineer for that evenings concert. I used your playing as a soundcheck he said.. Hope you don't mind, but as a thanks here is a tape I made of the recording.
Anyway here is the recording which I added some strings to about 5 years later. There is a little hiss as the tape never got transferred to a computer until almost 10 years after it was recorded..
http://www.4shared.com/file/38124640/b28565d5/Belfast_Grand_Opera_house.html
And finally. lol
A guy comes to my house with his acoustic guitar, and sings me a song he has written, about the area we lived at the time.. Think Craggy cliffs, a lighthouse, crashing waves etc. He wants me to orchestrate/ fill it out, and record it for him just for fun. I record 1 track of him singing, and another of his acoustic guitar that afternoon A week later I gave him back the following, on CD. Never seen him since.. strange lol
http://www.4shared.com/file/38125406/84b2b6ef/The_Gulls_of_Blackhead2.html
Ok thats me I am outta her
Yours
IK |
Post by butterpaw // Feb 17, 2008, 1:44pm
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Thanks IK! .. I enjoyed the music and the reminiscences ...
Some of the most fun performance times for me were weddings and pit orchestras (musicals, operas) :D
I keep thinking I should clean up the old finale files.. but I haven't upgraded since 2003 and other software is better I think.
I really did most of my composing on paper.. and was fortunate to have the pleasure of having heard most of it performed. Finale was handy, but.. not so nice to listen to.
^_^ |
Post by b_scotty // Feb 17, 2008, 2:36pm
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While I in now way consider myself a musician, I do enjoy relaxing with my alto recorder. Here is a little tune. :)
http://www.orbknight.com/temp/Tenor_Rec_Wayfaring.mp3 |
Post by W!ZARD // Feb 17, 2008, 8:16pm
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Verrrry cool Igor! I loved all three tracks. Re the Gulls of Blackhead - nice tune and interesting vocal timing - the only observation I could make is that I would like to have heard the guitar a lot higher in the mix (yeah I know, spoken like a guitarist :D). It's now on my current playlist.
Your fanfare intro is great! I like the subtle Celtic flavour and the defined melodies - this went straight to my playlist.
Grand Opera house - this is a total delight. Love those rich grand tones and flowing arpeggios - beautiful, beautiful beautiful and I can't wait to play it for my partner who is a pianist too. Did I say I thought it is beautiful?
B-Scotty - I liked your piece too - the sound is a little dry and could benefit from some reverb to give it a little more ambience but a lovely and melodic piece. It's also gone on my current playing list.
I was thinking of posting some of my songs on that site but now I'm feeling distinctly outclassed! |
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