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Post by W!ZARD // Feb 17, 2008, 9:44pm

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OK I bit the bullet and uploaded some of my songs.


This first link takes you to one of the first multi-tracking experiments I did. Made with a Tascam 4-track - then later the I re-recorded the source tapes to my Roland 8-track digital studio and cleaned up the sound a little. Later again I remixed it as well as I was able on my PC.

"Edge Of Reality (http://www.4shared.com/file/38157880/b43b742d/01_Edge_of_Reality.html)"


This second track I wrote while on a 5 month full time music course. I was challenged to write a song that all ten course members could perform together - the result was pretty dreadful but I liked the song - the link takes you to one on the several different versions I've recorded in the 15 years since it was written

"Here Comes The Breeze (http://www.4shared.com/file/38158009/534e076f/02_Here_Comes_The_Breeze.html)"



And the last link goes to a song I wrote one day about life and the fact that sometimes the only practical response to it is to just laugh.

"Ain't it Funny" (http://www.4shared.com/file/38158100/2b50d5fc/03_How_it_Goes.html)


Any comments, criticisms or compliments gratefully received :D

Post by TheWickedWitchOfTheWeb // Feb 18, 2008, 2:24am

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Seeing as we all seem to be in a sharing mood ( :) ), You can have a preview of some of my solo stuff before it goes public if you like. It's a bit different to the stuff with the band (ie not industrial!). There's currently three tracks there, each a different style so hopefully something for everyone. http://www.myspace.com/katherinerhodesmusic

Post by splinters // Feb 18, 2008, 2:56am

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I enjoyed those WWOTW, and nice to see a fellow Front 242 fan...:)

Post by W!ZARD // Feb 18, 2008, 3:17am

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I liked The Crossing best of all. Interesting work Kate. And nice to see a fellow Shaun the Sheep fan!

Post by Délé // Feb 18, 2008, 3:51am

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Cool stuff guys! :)

I like the keys Kate. The arrangements sounded good. Definitely well done! :)

Interesting style there Wiz. I like it. Nice work! :) Tascam 4-track? I remember those days. When I was in a band we had one. My drummers mom let us sound proof their garage and turn it into a rehearsal studio. It turned into not only that, but a hang out place for all of the other teens around the area. For a while we had people we didn't even know from around the county showing up nearly every day. I tell ya, we met all kinds of people back then. Fun days. Lots of stories from back then. ;)

I've always been into a raw acoustical sound myself. I wish I had something finished to upload. I don't know how, but for some reason I never end up with any copies of the stuff I've done. All I have is a few half finished songs and riffs sitting on my hard drive. I should see if I can get some of my friends to send along some of my finished stuff. Well..."more finished" stuff. Nothing is ever really finished. :p

Post by Igor K Handel // Feb 18, 2008, 11:00am

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Well look at the talent coming out of the woodwork.. Way to go!!!


Ok in no particular order.. Wizard... 1st off I laughed outloud when I saw the Home Groan studio.... very funny. "here comes the breeze"... Thats an amazingly clear mix! Not easy to achieve. How did you get the stereo so wide?. My Favorite track is "Here it goes", Unfortunately my wife liked it so much she wants to be your groupie lol. It may be my headphones, or good old mp3 but for my taste it needed a little more top end? I am guessing here but were the tracks posted in the chronological order they were recorded in,, the mix quality steadily improves through the 3 tracks, a bit like my own.


You were RICH having a tascam 4 track, I had to put up with a Fostex. You had to put these daft strips of metal on the cassette window to turn it into a four track tape!


When I did a stint in a music shop a few years back part of my pay was gear. Unfortunately before I had been given the promised gear it became obvious the chain of music shops was about to go bust.. A right pain as our branch was minting it! Anyway it was like a trolley dash for all the staff to get gear to the value of what we had been promised lol. I ended up with amongst other things a yamaha electric drum kit (I don't play drums), and a 16 track fostex mg16/6fx multitracker, boxed brand new which I don't need as cubase does it all. I still have it, used once and boxed back up after checking it worked.. In days gone by I would have given my left b/ I mean my left leg for gear like that.. How times change.


Ref the mix in Gulls.. With more time I had a ton of stuff I wanted to do with that song, both the mix and the actual orchestration need loads more work, but I just ran out of time. Its a right pain, as I no longer have any mulitracks available, just a mixdown, so I am stuck with that mix. Oh well.


WWOTW very unique stuff, clever too. I noticed that you had 26 plays just today on your site.. For my taste I think the string samples in N11 need to be much richer, for me it would take it to another level. Crossing,clever stuff, so many strident dischords, are you an aggressive person by nature, are you in anguish? lol. My fav is Sermon, now thats cool, great mix too, I replayed it 3 times!!


B_Scotly.. I agree with Wiz, A touch of reverb would add that extra something to the recording.. That melody is a sure fire contender for orchestrating, if it was expanded.


Dele... your garage story touched a memory I haven't thought about in about 20 years.. Similar setup to your garage only in a roofspace.. Everyone and their dog and guitar used to turn up..(when the guitarists mum was out that is!!) It all went pear shaped when some idiot stepped off the floored part of the attic, and put their foot through the ceiling of all places directly over his mums bed in her bedroom. There was like a stunned silence, and the place emptied so fast it was like fireman sam down a greasy pole. The Ban from his house lasted 2 years!!! lol oops


Anyways keep em coming well impressed here. I better get the finger out!


IK

Post by b_scotty // Feb 18, 2008, 11:17am

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Thanks for the comments! I agree completely about the reverb, but seeing as how I don't have any thing remotely close to a good recording environment, I'd have to fake it in post-production. Which I will attempt to do. :) The song is "Poor Wayfaring Stranger" which has been around a long time, and been recorderd by the likes of Johnny Cash, Burl Ives, and countless others.

Here is a (hopefully) better version. http://www.orbknight.com/temp/Tenor_Rec_Wayfaring_Stranger2.mp3

Post by butterpaw // Feb 18, 2008, 12:24pm

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Hey b Scotty, I found the first one to be beautiful, very human and present as if a human voice... sweet tone, nice technique ... I play treble recorder to .. but more often telemann, handel .. very baroque.


About the reverb... it's pretty.. but of course it's more distant and disembodied.. so.. depends on the purpose ...

I'd pick the first one any day.. but then I've played chamber music with friends for much of my life.. so have developed a distinct preference... ^_^

;)

Post by butterpaw // Feb 18, 2008, 2:36pm

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... and back again.. Hey WWOTW, WZRD, all you folks, my goodness you are all so talented! .. I'm listening and enjoying! it's quite amazing to find so much and such varied talent here!

.. a real delight! :)

Post by W!ZARD // Feb 18, 2008, 9:35pm

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Thanks for your coments Igor. Yeah 'Home Groan Music' has been a sort trademark of mine for many years - I always felt it summed up the ... somewhat unique nature of my singing voice :o.


Re the clarity of the 'Here Comes The Breeze' track - I did (and very occasionally still do) my original recordings on a Roland VST 850 8 track virtual studio which cost me an arm and a leg (NZ$2500) about 10 years ago - it has the nicest Analog to Digital converters I've ever come across plus an superb array of fully editable DSP effects - I can do a lot of the recording work with that and use a digital optical link to transfer it to my PC which has a top of the range sound card.


Getting really wide stereo is just a matter of duplicating the relevant track to two seperate channels and panning them hard left and right.


Yep "Here it goes" definitetly requires more top end and yes the order they are posted is the same as the order they were recorded and I'd learned a little bit more each time.


Sadly the Tascam was not mine but was loaned to me by the local Arts Council who were trying to promote local music.


Délé - Yeah that garage story sounds like something from my own past. The last time I was actually in a band - called The Oscillators, because we rocked from side to side:D - I was living in an industrial warehouse with a drummer - it was great, we could make as much noise as we liked - and as you say, it attracted all manner of people from out of the woodwork - interesting times indeed!

Post by butterpaw // Feb 19, 2008, 6:48am

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Well I signed up and uploaded a file .. the more I hear my own music the more 'off the wall' I realize it is. But here is one, such as it is, lol

This was actually from a string quartet called Kumbuka Kenya .. but the string soundfonts I have are pretty lousy, and, sadly, sounds nothing like it does live... so I reset it with some tuned percussion.. and renamed it Crab Dance.. :p

http://www.4shared.com/file/38300724/5a1a0941/crabdance.html


I had no idea how to use the site.. just bumbled and got it wrong.. but now it may work :D
^_^

Post by Igor K Handel // Feb 19, 2008, 8:57am

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Hey, Butterpaw what a fun piece.. especially as I am sitting waiting for the start of a string quartet, going on what you'd mentioned before.. I smiled when I heard it .. a breath of fresh air!


Ik

Post by butterpaw // Feb 19, 2008, 9:30am

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Aww thanks.. it's a much better piece with the strings, though ;) ... was meant to convey the hustle and bustle of Nairobi - funny how the instrumentation can change the whole feeling of a piece... :rolleyes:

My compositions tend toward close harmonies, which of course means mostly dissonant .. kind of depends on point of view... lol and I'm rather fond of whole tone scales and octatonic... really does put me beyond the pale.. :D

Sure wish I could do what you do.. but I took a left turn somewhere..
.. doesn't matter - nice to listen to your music..

In fact, on listening to everyone's pieces (which I'm really enjoying!) I was struck by how fortunate I am that I stumbled upon trueSpace (which I like and I AM learning ) and this forum with such multi-talented, yet still nice and friendly people - sure makes my world a lot more fun ^_^

Post by Igor K Handel // Feb 19, 2008, 9:45am

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Do you remember the Laurel and Hardy episode where they are moving a piano down some stairs,, well 30 ish years ago my brother and I were shifting a piano down some marble stairs of a town hall. Our contract was to restring the instrument. Well today is freezing cold -6, I have spent the day hanging around in freezing fog, as my Tower Crane Brakes had frozen solid, as the hydrolic fluid had become contaminated with water.. Agh the confidence the maintainance engineers fill me with..... NOT.. and boy my wrist is aching like crazy now..


Yep all those years ago we did a Laurel and Hardy, I had the bottom end of the Piano as it careered over the lip of each step, building speed as it went, with my wrist trapped underneath the bottom edge . By the time we had "moved" it, it needed a darn sight more than restringing lol.. We literally shifted most of debris in bin bags. It was like a crime scene looking for all the shards and splinters. Even the soundboard was trashed. The only untouched element was the metal frame!! It took a year to rebuild, repolish etc even some of the keys had snapped.. Made a bit of a loss on that job... oops.


So here we are all these years later and my wrist is just aching like crazy everytime its very cold.. oh well. To add insult to injury, there I was rolling about in agony on the floor, my wrist looking like a tennis ball had been inserted under the skin. The very impressive noise er modern composition racket that the piano made on the way down had aroused the council typists downstairs. So I am lying on the floor, at the bottom, groaning and rolling about, and one typists asks my brother if the Piano, which is lying all around me, is all right....... lol She had definitely got me at a bad time rofl, I think I said some very naughty words effectively pointing out the error of her priorities :p She certainly scurried away from the carnage pretty sharpish. Oh well all in a days work.


Onwards


I always wished I could play the guitar, but other than chords C,G,F Dm, Am, I just don't seem to have what it takes, I mean that ain't a natural angle for your wrist! Nor does an audience want to wait 2 minutes while I sort my fingers out for the next chord lol. Anyway in the absence of talent, I have an acoustic guitar button on my Keyboard... So heres a little toon I wrote and recorded . I take my hat off to real guitarists, contortionists the lot of you!!


http://www.4shared.com/file/38237068/23a40727/IK_Acoustic_Guitar.html

If you wait about 10 seconds after the page opens an arrow appears to stream rather than download the file/toon


IK

Post by Igor K Handel // Feb 19, 2008, 10:19am

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Taps on screen to get Butterpaws attention



re your take a left turn somewhere, comment....


NO NO NO


It's what makes individuality, its what makes life interesting, challenging, it changes perceptions, educates, entertains, and can enrich not only each of our lives, but through sharing, other peoples as well.


That's not a left turn thats a right turn (as in it's right for you)


Think about this.. I just stopped to realise that here we all are, spread out all over the planet, I haven't met or spoken to any one of you, yet through TS and the very fact that we all made our own "Right" turns we get to share totally unique music.


I bet that without even realising it, each piece of music we share has within it a little part us, It's pretty well impossible for that something in us NOT to be embedded in our music! To me thats pretty cool/special, and it's why to me music IS a language, a further way of communicating. Not so sure what a tuba is saying... but there ya go :)


You keep taking your turns, but I don't believe for one single second that they are left turns, they are what makes you , you and me ,me. I really hope I can genuinely persuade you on that!


OOPS Did a go off on one there? (Must have been a turn)lol


Ok I've taken my medication, and normal service resumes :D


PS Ouch my wrist, but that was just TOO big to let go.


YOURS


IK

Post by butterpaw // Feb 19, 2008, 11:31am

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haha IK, you made me laugh with tears in my eyes.. (sorry about the misfortune, though, honest!) ... I've got assorted busted-up bits too... woke up this morning with hands/fingers so stiff i could not type, and had a friend online who desperately wanted me to 'talk' arrrrrrhhhh... aching all over really.. (you and I could indulge in a in good ol' grumble today) :rolleyes:

oh .. and ... it's saying oom-pah ... I'm sure that's what I heard it say.:D

p.s. I like your music ... got more?
p.p.s. yes, left turns are good .. (never said otherwise - I'm left-handed) :p
p.p.p.s. yes it's a language
p.p.p.p.s. most instruments require some strange contortions ... let me tell you about the clarinet (probably why I have trouble with my hands now) ...
^_^


Edit: hey! don't mean to put a stopper on this thread! more music/reminiscences from everyone please - please share :D

Post by Igor K Handel // Feb 22, 2008, 9:08am

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Just to get the ball rolling I'll post another comp I recorded a while ago.


Background... Someone once told me that when composing a new piece to introduce the theme, elaborate and re-enforce the theme, possibly introduce a counter theme.


Well in this piece I gave it a go, but halfway through got bored of all the buildup and just rebelled.... Oh well.


http://www.4shared.com/file/38237545/69e8dbf3/Classical_Anarchy.html


Ik

Post by W!ZARD // Feb 22, 2008, 10:14pm

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Well if anarchy sounds that melodic it can't be too bad! I really enjoyed the opening part Igor - but then I'm a fan of meditative music and soft ambient tracks. Again there was a distinct...Irish? Celtic? ... flavour to the melody. There was a certain familiarity about it that made me feel like it was a melody I'd heard long ago. I though it was quite beautiful.


I'm not 100% convinced about the drums - they suited the Anarchic theme but felt a little anticlimactic somehow. The techno drum sound didn't quite gel with the lovely swooping atmospheric melody - but, then I suspect that was exactly what you were after! It's not anarchic if it doesn't break any rules!


Very nice work.

Post by W!ZARD // Feb 22, 2008, 10:32pm

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Just to give the ball an extra kick...
Here's something a little more recent - I just sort of put it together one afternoon as an exercise and I'd always intended to re-record the rhythm guitar bits.
My partner said that if I'm going to post any of my music I should post this one.

It's quite long - just over 9 minutes - but it's an instrumental so your spared the dubious pleasures of my singing voice :D.

The idea was to do a 'concept album' where the music and songs had a common theme. The theme was the Elements - as in the classic four, Fire, Air, Water and Earth. This is the first track and it's called:

"Elements Part one - Bad Alchemy (http://www.4shared.com/file/38675580/712f4c2d/01_Elements_Pt1_-_Bad_Alchemy.html)".

I'd love to hear any feedback about it it. Please enjoy.

Post by W!ZARD // Feb 22, 2008, 10:44pm

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Hi BP - I've been meaning to get to have a listen to Crabdance and I finally found time 6this evening - wow it is different! I thought it was quite delightful and totally apt for the title. It was very easy to picture some jiving crustaceans boogying down to music like that :DWell I signed up and uploaded a file .. the more I hear my own music the more 'off the wall' I realize it is. But here is one, such as it is, lol

This was actually from a string quartet called Kumbuka Kenya .. but the string soundfonts I have are pretty lousy, and, sadly, sounds nothing like it does live... so I reset it with some tuned percussion.. and renamed it Crab Dance.. :p

http://www.4shared.com/file/38300724/5a1a0941/crabdance.html


I had no idea how to use the site.. just bumbled and got it wrong.. but now it may work :D
^_^

Post by W!ZARD // Feb 23, 2008, 11:58pm

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Just to give the ball an extra kick...

This is the first track and it's called:


"Elements Part one - Bad Alchemy (http://www.4shared.com/file/38675580/712f4c2d/01_Elements_Pt1_-_Bad_Alchemy.html)".


I'd love to hear any feedback about it it. Please enjoy.


D'oh - apologies to anyone who tried that link - I've fixed it now:D

Post by notejam // Feb 25, 2008, 9:30am

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Butterpaw,

I would love to broadcast crab dance on my internet radio station, NoteJam Radio.

http://musicworld3dbands.com//play.php?mode=radio&id=30


I need you to first get a free musicians account at MusicWorld3D.com

and upload your crab dance music. They will supply you with a free place to upload your music, and give you a free web page to promote your music.



Thanks for posting it.


NoteJam (David)

Post by Igor K Handel // Feb 25, 2008, 10:26am

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Hi all

Been all tied up all weekend with domestic stuff here, as everyone but me and the dog has got some virus thing. Went back to work for a rest today lol.


Finally had a chance to listen to your "Bad Alchemy" Wiz.. Thats pretty darn cool.

I could visualise it being played on a huge stage sorta like a major ASIA gig, hmmm showing my age there. There were are couple of sections where the guitar sorta felt a bit lonely for my taste, but maybe keeping it clean was part of its charm too, jury's out on that one. I was kind of looking for a progression to a climactic point, and about 5 mins in it felt like it was about to come, but then chilled out again. Ooops LOL i just reread that it sounds a bit saucy but you know what I mean! Again perhaps that was a musical decision on your part.


On that subject but not specific to any piece maybe heres an interesting topic I'd love to hear fellow musicians views on...


Let me describe how I try to write a new track. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't. How do you do it?


In that last piece I posted I set out with good intentions but got fed up halfway and ran out of inspiration. (Wiz) Yeh the celtic background in me sneaks in too often sometimes, but I did achieve some of the things I wanted. It was to be like a journey ( or a book) a beginning middle and end.


IE start with the introduction of the theme, building on theme drawing listener to the future, where is this going, what is going to happen next.(the middle) build a bit more, elaborate on the theme, drawing the listener into the now elaborated theme Building in a forward direction all the time. The whole piece was deliberately gearing towards a climax... a "we have arrived" moment.


Now I would be the first to admit that I lost inspiration too quickly after the first 2 elaborations, I reckon a twist or a second counter theme should have been there, but damned if I could come up with one. But for sure the "we have arrived" moment was there.. the all happening obvious "high" point. Then it was a matter of wrapping it up to give a logical ending and clean finish.


As an aside I wrote the piece completely backwards. Which I haven't done before. Bit strange a way of working but it had pros and cons. I already had where I wanted to end up, ( the bit with the Drums etc) I just had to work out how to get there in some sorta musically meaningful way, lol. The risk was it may end up sounding disjointed, or unconnected. I think I sorta succeeded but it could have been a whole heap better I reckon.


Anyways all this is personal taste, and just my way of working. Just thought I'd throw that out there for anyone that cares to comment or share their way of working?


Ik

Post by W!ZARD // Feb 26, 2008, 12:26am

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Thanks for the comments Igor - and of cou8rse you are perfectly correct: Bad Alchemy has no real climactic peak. This was a deliberate hoice thouigh. It stands as a the first track of a series of pieces and so introduces several themes that are subsequently developed further in later pieces.

The feel was intended to be almost hypnotic - the idea was to represent a vast state of cosmic balance between the four elements - the quintessence - and then each element was to be explored in the four subsequent songs. It didn't quite pan out like that though - I discovered 3d computer art about that time and suddenly my priorities changed! :D

My partner particularly likes that track though and likes to play it as ambient background music. Hopefully it's easy ton listen to and easy to ignore with no distracting vocals.


My way of working varies - although I don't do much song writing these days. When I started to learn to play I would select a chord sequence that sounded promising or contained a tricky new chord I wanted to master. I would then use that sequence and find a selection of different treatments - much easier once I'd learn't bar chords and chord inversions. Finger picking, soft strumming, power chords etc. Often a particular sequence would suggest suggest a theme and I'd add some words to it.


Other times I had the words first and looked for a chord and rhythm structure to support them. Some of my songs seemed to write themselves - I have one called Katmandu that was based on my experiences in Nepal - it had so many verses I had to brutally cull them to get a song that was a reasonable length.


Most of my stuff is written on a guitar but I also have some written onn piano.


Re your Celtic background - I'm a huge fan of Celtic music - Celtic melodic structures always resonate with me somehow in ways that a lot of other music doesn't. I like good melodies and tend not to enjoy music that improvises too far from a melody line - jazz and RnB particularly. So in other words, I support and encourage the Celtic background and it can't 'sneak in' too far in my opinion!


Re writing music backwards - I suspect this is quite common - you come up with a great hook for the chorus and then look for something clever but not quite as clever, for the verses.


WZRD

Post by Délé // Mar 7, 2008, 8:53am

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I had a listen to some of the other posts here.

ButterPaw: I really like the CrabDance. :D :banana: I like the sort of off beat quirkiness to it. I've always liked that kind of stuff. I can kind of imagine what it might sound like live. Pieces like this usually do sound better live, although I like the recording here too. If you ever do get a live recording of it, please do post. ;)

Ik: I liked both the guitar thing and the Classical Anarchy. The guitar thing, you could tell that it was midi, but it did still sound quite nice. The arrangement was definitely good. Both are very nice and relaxing. Good melodies and flow. The Classical Anarchy one reminded me a bit of Yanni. Especially when the drums kicked it. That's not an insult, I actually really like Yanni. I saw a live performance where their bass player really ripped it up for while. Anyway, I definitely liked your songs. :) :banana:

Wiz: I liked the "Elements Part One - Bad Alchemy". :) I really liked it further in when you kicked into a nice (almost funky) groove. Overall, I dig it man. ;) :banana:

Post by Délé // Mar 7, 2008, 9:04am

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Ok, I finally got one of my friends to send me a copy of a short demo CD that I had made back in 2002. I was going to a music convention in the Twin Cities and wanted to have a short demo to pass around. Unfortunately I didn't have a lot of time to put it together so it's a pretty raw recording. I only had my digital 4 track at the time too, so I didn't get a great mix out of it. Anyway, it can give you an idea of the type of music I was playing at coffee shops around the Twin Cities at the time. I've always been more into the raw acoustical type stuff. These are quick one or two take recordings here, so it's not really polished up as much as I'd like. The last song really sounds much better with the full band too, but I don't know if we have any recordings of that.


Click HERE (http://www.delevinci.com/MusicShare/MusicShare.htm) to listen.


I plan on putting up some more recent midi arrangements on my new website I'm building. Those will be instrumentals and will come out much cleaner sounding. I'll post a link here when I'm finished with the website. :)

Post by W!ZARD // Mar 8, 2008, 12:47am

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Very cool Délé - mark me down as impressed! I loved the riff motif in the first track and I really liked the rule bending chords in the 3rd one but I think the second was my favourite.


I thought the recordings sounded plenty clean although the guitar sound was a tad too bright at the top end for my taste. Nice full bottom end though and a very interesting style - nice full sound for a single guitar and a pleasing voice too.


Wow, the talent around here is outstanding!

Post by cliff45 // Mar 8, 2008, 9:19am

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Here (http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandid=172538&content=music) is the link to some of my music . :D

Post by xmanflash // Mar 9, 2008, 2:49am

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Well I signed up and uploaded a file .. the more I hear my own music the more 'off the wall' I realize it is. But here is one, such as it is, lol

^_^


Hehe - its great - i enjoyed it immensely! It reminds me of Zappa in some of his musical meanderings..

Post by notejam // Mar 9, 2008, 7:17am

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I have seen off the wall type music hit the top of the charts several times, and at least be top 40 even more times than that for independant charts. So I would say do not worry if you think your music seems a bit off the wall, you just might have a chart buster on your hands. Get a copyright on it, and then go see what happens. People enjoy something different now and then. Same old same old gets to be a bore.
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