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Animation upgrade in TS7.5
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Animation upgrade in TS7.5 // Rants and Raves
Post by TomG // Apr 28, 2006, 8:51am
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Amazing, someone asks for animations done with tS, and we post some, and get told "Those are too good, can't be done with tS" Can't win, eh? :)
Spencer Britton has been a long time tS user and has posted many tS animations and been in the animation gallery repeatedly. Saul Greenberg does indeed import poser models for his figures, and that's just fine - no-one in the real world uses just one piece of software to achieve their end result.
And yes, tS had to be the major tool used in the animations. Not the only tool, but the major tool.
HTH,
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Post by xmanflash // Apr 28, 2006, 4:59pm
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Amazing, someone asks for animations done with tS, and we post some, and get told "Those are too good, can't be done with tS" Can't win, eh? :)
Spencer Britton has been a long time tS user and has posted many tS animations and been in the animation gallery repeatedly. Saul Greenberg does indeed import poser models for his figures, and that's just fine - no-one in the real world uses just one piece of software to achieve their end result.
And yes, tS had to be the major tool used in the animations. Not the only tool, but the major tool.
HTH,
Tom
Hi Tom,
I found your post helpful in that it did attempt to explaine some of the thinking behind the new charactor animation coming up.
Do you have any links to some of this work that you mention?
p.s. - the animation contest download page is still really slow.. It starts of quick (which is better than before) at 180k then very slowly drops down to 15k and less.. This is obviously a webserver bandwidth load/throttling thing and I would suggest that Caligari get that puppy running a little better - speed is not expensive these days :-)
(fyi the 13meg 2236.mpg file is taking 7 minutes to download.. sorry - the web developer in me cant hold back :-) |
Post by LazeeGazzz // Apr 28, 2006, 7:15pm
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All this speculation regarding the new tS flavour of animation tools is outrageous fun:p . But I ask....what about the intervening upgrades? 7.2, 7.3, 7.4??? What new tools and toys will they contain?? 7.5 is the one that is getting people excited, but that probably won't happen till Christmas at least. Does this mean everyone here that hasn't pre-bought will hold out till 7.5 and skip the rest. Maybe someone at bunker-Caligari can give us a hint of what the intervening releases will contain. Then we can all get excited about other things too. |
Post by Alien // Apr 29, 2006, 12:01am
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p.s. - the animation contest download page is still really slow.. It starts of quick (which is better than before) at 180k then very slowly drops down to 15k and less.. This is obviously a webserver bandwidth load/throttling thing and I would suggest that Caligari get that puppy running a little better - speed is not expensive these days :-)
(fyi the 13meg 2236.mpg file is taking 7 minutes to download.. sorry - the web developer in me cant hold back :-)
Maybe their server was just especially busy at the time, or maybe your ISP was. <shrug> I just downloaded Saul Greenberg's story form winner, "Ummm" [17MB], & it didn't seem slow - took 1m 27s using Maxthon [uses IE's core, so I think IE would be the same speed]. As a test I also tried it with Mass Downloader [multi-threaded download manager], & that was not that much faster at about 1m 15s, but that could be because it reached my connection's max speed [~250KB/sec]. |
Post by xmanflash // Apr 29, 2006, 1:43am
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Maybe their server was just especially busy at the time, or maybe your ISP was. <shrug> I just downloaded Saul Greenberg's story form winner, "Ummm" [17MB], & it didn't seem slow - took 1m 27s using Maxthon [uses IE's core, so I think IE would be the same speed]. As a test I also tried it with Mass Downloader [multi-threaded download manager], & that was not that much faster at about 1m 15s, but that could be because it reached my connection's max speed [~250KB/sec].
Hmm - I was able to download multiple files at the same low speed, so its definately server send related..
Sauls file is also not downloading properly.. - looks like it could be an hour or so.. I can guarantee its not my machine or net connection, unles using firefox causes this.. but am I the only one having these issues?
How long does http://www.caligari.com/Gallery/Animations/2005/dec/anim/2025.mpg
Take for you? - Its reaaaly slow here still - and thats conistant over 3 days.. I have cable that flys from most other sites..??
This is most frustrating as I actually do want to look at these files - Most of them just dont make it down in one piece, or I give up as I have to reboot for another project... |
Post by Bobbins // Apr 29, 2006, 2:22am
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I get around 35 KB/sec on a 512k broadband link, so no problems from Europe. Sometimes I see the link to Caligari hop over to Australia before dropping back to the US (!). In that case download speeds are very poor, but that's simply bad net DNS routing, nothing to do with me or Caligari. |
Post by Michael // Apr 29, 2006, 2:22am
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This file took about 2 to 3 minutes at a speed of aprox. 120 KB/sec. |
Post by Alien // Apr 29, 2006, 3:05am
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Hmm - I was able to download multiple files at the same low speed, so its definately server send related..
I don't think so...
Sauls file is also not downloading properly.. - looks like it could be an hour or so.. I can guarantee its not my machine or net connection, unles using firefox causes this.. but am I the only one having these issues?
Ahh, now the penny drops - yes, I've noticed that Firefox is... well, crap for download speeds.
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/alien42/images_for_caligari_forum/caligarivideodownloads.png
In the above image, you can see 3 downloads [the constant low speed download is just me listening to Soma.fm's Groove Salad :cool:], the 1 on the left & the 1 on the right are the 1 you linked to. The left 1 is with Maxthon, the right 1 is Firefox. The 1 in the middle is Saul's animation, done with Maxthon. I've uploaded a copy of Saul's to my webspace (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/alien42/Video/), try grabbing it from there. I've also uploaded the file you linked to [2025.mpg].
How long does http://www.caligari.com/Gallery/Animations/2005/dec/anim/2025.mpg
Take for you? - Its reaaaly slow here still - and thats conistant over 3 days.. I have cable that flys from most other sites..??
You can see for yourself in the above pic, the vertical dotted lines are 1min apart.
This is most frustrating as I actually do want to look at these files - Most of them just dont make it down in one piece, or I give up as I have to reboot for another project...
Well, you can grab those 2 from my webspace, but I don't think I have room for any more [only get 55MB with my ISP account].
I get around 35 KB/sec on a 512k broadband link, so no problems from Europe. Sometimes I see the link to Caligari hop over to Australia before dropping back to the US (!). In that case download speeds are very poor, but that's simply bad net DNS routing, nothing to do with me or Caligari.
ISPs handle bandwidth different ways. NTL [my ISP] says the limit's 2Mbit [~250KB/s], & that's what I get, all the time, as long as the server at the other end can send that fast [apparently those of us on the 2Mbit package are getting a free upgrade to 4Mbit in July :D]. However, some ISPs share the bandwidth around, so in theory you can get X KB/s [whatever package/speed you're paying for], but if loads of people in your area are all downloading at the same time your download speeds can drop quite a bit. On a 512Kbit connection you should get a [theoretical] maximum of 64KB/s. Oh, I almost forgot, some ISP's quote the connection as X Kbit/sec, but that's not just download, that's both ways, so if you're ISP has that sort of policy on bandwidth, then uploading something to somewhere will affect your download speed.
As for DNS, I suppose that could factor into it [if your connection's being routed through a server that's either overloaded or dropping packets for some other reason], as I've recently started using my own DNS server. It's a freeware prog that means you don't have to rely so much on your ISP's DNS servers. I also use a prog called DNSKong (http://pyrenean.com/) for filtering out undesirable domains. DNSKong can cache IP addresses as well, but then I think TreeWalk DNS (http://www.treewalkdns.com/index.htm) [the DNS server] does that too, so I don't think DNSKong adds to that in any way. I know that 1 of them stores the fastest route to an IP, but I forget which. |
Post by Bobbins // Apr 29, 2006, 5:22am
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Below is the traceroute for my link to caligari.com. You can see just how many hops are involved - and this is about average. It only takes one of those servers to cause a delay and up goes your download times. I'm well aware of ISP contention issues and don't forget - your DNS is only as good as the next in the route. |
Post by xmanflash // Apr 29, 2006, 5:53am
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Sometimes I see the link to Caligari hop over to Australia before dropping back to the US (!). In that case download speeds are very poor, .
I'm in Sydney Australia - it must be going past my house! |
Post by xmanflash // Apr 29, 2006, 6:04am
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I don't think so...
Ahh, now the penny drops - yes, I've noticed that Firefox is... well, crap for download speeds.
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/alien42/images_for_caligari_forum/caligarivideodownloads.png
In the above image, you can see 3 downloads [the constant low speed download is just me listening to Soma.fm's Groove Salad :cool:], the 1 on the left & the 1 on the right are the 1 you linked to. The left 1 is with Maxthon, the right 1 is Firefox. The 1 in the middle is Saul's animation, done with Maxthon. I've uploaded a copy of Saul's to my webspace (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/alien42/Video/), try grabbing it from there. I've also uploaded the file you linked to [2025.mpg].
Thanks for uploading the files to your server, 14_uuum.wmv came down in 2 minutes at 150k - which is more usual..
btw - love your taste in music.. - check out swiss groove as well - if its still proadcasting..
ISPs handle bandwidth different ways. NTL [my ISP] says the limit's 2Mbit [~250KB/s], & that's what I get, all the time, as long as the server at the other end can send that fast [apparently those of us on the 2Mbit package are getting a free upgrade to 4Mbit in July :D]. However, some ISPs share the bandwidth around, so in theory you can get X KB/s [whatever package/speed you're paying for], but if loads of people in your area are all downloading at the same time your download speeds can drop quite a bit. On a 512Kbit connection you should get a [theoretical] maximum of 64KB/s. Oh, I almost forgot, some ISP's quote the connection as X Kbit/sec, but that's not just download, that's both ways, so if you're ISP has that sort of policy on bandwidth, then uploading something to somewhere will affect your download speed.
Bandidth for Caligari should be a 10 or 100mbit link from a hosting plex to the backbone of the internet via ethernet though.. if you folks can get it quickly then its something between caligari and sydney australia, possible a koala up a tree or something.. BUT this is highly unusual fro an international site to be so slow for me..
As for DNS, I suppose that could factor into it [if your connection's being routed through a server that's either overloaded or dropping packets for some other reason], as I've recently started using my own DNS server. It's a freeware prog that means you don't have to rely so much on your ISP's DNS servers.
I have been thinking of doing that - I need a DNS redundancy so I can switch between 2 identical web servers for redundancy.. migth have to pick your brains! :cool:
I also use a prog called DNSKong (http://pyrenean.com/) for filtering out undesirable domains. DNSKong can cache IP addresses as well, but then I think TreeWalk DNS (http://www.treewalkdns.com/index.htm) [the DNS server] does that too, so I don't think DNSKong adds to that in any way. I know that 1 of them stores the fastest route to an IP, but I forget which.
thanks for helping out! |
Post by xmanflash // Apr 29, 2006, 6:06am
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Below is the traceroute for my link to caligari.com. You can see just how many hops are involved - and this is about average. It only takes one of those servers to cause a delay and up goes your download times. I'm well aware of ISP contention issues and don't forget - your DNS is only as good as the next in the route.
I get a very similar result (22 hops) from here with Visual Trace Route..
However when it forst runs, there are 5 extra entries between the last entry and the next last that are blank and then dissapear.. maybe thats the problem.. some stealth hops for spying or something! |
Post by xmanflash // Apr 29, 2006, 6:07am
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This file took about 2 to 3 minutes at a speed of aprox. 120 KB/sec.
Thanks for testing :) |
Post by Bobbins // Apr 29, 2006, 7:19am
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However when it forst runs, there are 5 extra entries between the last entry and the next last that are blank and then dissapear.. maybe thats the problem.. some stealth hops for spying or something!
That's very common - it just depends how long it takes to resolve the name from the IP address. |
Post by mrbones // Apr 29, 2006, 7:52am
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Good thing too,
IN the meantime someone claiming to be in defense of you, attacked my website and posted repeated negative and slandorous comments regarding my business practices.
This is somebody from this thread and I know who because of their IP address.
There is a traitor in our midsts,
So, I owe Mr. Bones a huge public apology. The order cancellation was a fluff from my bank and nothing to do with his website.
I'm very sorry Mr. Bones, I will address such issues in private in the future. |
Post by Alien // Apr 29, 2006, 8:55am
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your DNS is only as good as the next in the route.
I must confess I'm still new to the whole "having my own DNS server" thing, & didn't have to learn much to install it , but if you mean what I think you mean, & if I understand the way TreeWalk works correctly, then.... no. AFAIK it gets its updates straight from ICANN.
Thanks for uploading the files to your server, 14_uuum.wmv came down in 2 minutes at 150k - which is more usual..
No probs, I'll leave them up there until tomorrow incase anyone else is having probs getting them from Caligari.
if you folks can get it quickly then its something between caligari and sydney australia, possible a koala up a tree or something..
Yeah, I've heard those fuzzy ninjas can be a real menace. http://homepage.ntlworld.com/alien42/smilies/ninja.gif
:D
I have been thinking of doing that - I need a DNS redundancy so I can switch between 2 identical web servers for redundancy.. migth have to pick your brains! :cool:
I'll do what I can to help, I [i]think I know enough to help you get it up & running [though I doubt you'll need my help, the instructions are pretty clear & it's pretty simple] for personal use, but I'm not really sure I understand what you're trying to achieve with the webservers thing. BTW, if you haven't had a proper look at TreeWalk's site yet, it's free for personal use [like I'm doing], but apparently for "DNS Servers, or multiple CPU use, including commercial business, ISP, Educational Institutes, Military, or Government environments" you have to contact them to register it. Whether there's registration fee or not, I don't know.
thanks for helping out!
No probs. :)
This is somebody from this thread and I know who because of their IP address.
Sorry to hear about your probs, but I would advise some caution before acting on that information, on the grounds that depending on how you got the IP addy it may not be their real IP addy. I don't understand all the details, but apparently there are [at least] 2 ways of detecting someone's IP addy, & 1 of them doesn't work properly on everybody.
To use myself as an example, you know that script 1 of the other forum members [Johny?] has in his sig, that shows a bunch of different messages, & 1 of them is supposed to be able to detect the viewer's IP addy? Well it doesn't work on me. Not because I'm running TreeWalk or DNSKong, but because of some weird proxy thing my ISP does [I think they call it a "transparent" or "ghost" proxy]. When I see that little IP addy script in that sig it shows a completely different IP to mine. This means that anyone else in my part of the country, using the same ISP, viewing that same IP script would also see the exact same [wrong] addy. This also causes me probs occasionally when I want to vote for 1 of the webcomics I read, as the voting system for at least 1 of the voting sites apparently uses the same flawed method, meaning that sometimes when I go to vote it says I've already voted. :(
If my ISP does it then it's quite possible others do it. Having said that, I have seen some sites [can't remember any specifically off the top of my head, sorry] that can correctly identify my IP, so it is possible that you might have the correct IP. Just thought you ought to know, just incase. |
Post by jamesmc // Apr 29, 2006, 12:54pm
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I get a 17ms to 60ms range with a tracert to Caligari. The bottleneck for me is usually Dallas. |
Post by xmanflash // Apr 29, 2006, 5:05pm
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Good thing too,
IN the meantime someone claiming to be in defense of you, attacked my website and posted repeated negative and slandorous comments regarding my business practices.
This is somebody from this thread and I know who because of their IP address.
There is a traitor in our midsts,
Hi Mr Bones,
A traitor implies allegance. This is the caligari forum and the fact that someone here might be complaining on your site about your product has nothing to do with any allegance to Caligari (or even TruBones to that matter).
Its more about customer satisfaction isnt it?
And assuming that you have the IP address correct, then I would persue it with them privately, not start to slander them in front of the Caligari membership.
And aren't there privacy issues about Caligari giving you that persons IP / personal details, when Caligari and they are seperate businesses?
I'd be pi**ed if somebody did that to me, on a forum I owned about a product I developed, but I would prefer to deal with the problem in a business like way, not question allegence. There is no such thing with software.
And no it wasnt me! :p
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although if you say its someone in this thread then the options are
xmanflash (member)
bobbins (Team Caligari)
splinters (Team Caligari)
jamesmc (Senior Member)
mrbones (Senior Member)
alien (Senior Member)
noko (Team Caligari)
tiles (Junior Member)
tomg (Team Caligari)
emmanuel (Member)
rnotaro (Team Caligari)
LazeeGazzz (Junior Member)
Michael (Junior Member)
So culling those you would not expect to do that sort of thing being they are related to Caligari in some capacity we are left with:
xmanflash (member) (I know its not me)
jamesmc (Senior Member) (cant be as he resolved this with you)
mrbones (Senior Member) (would not be you would it!)
alien (Senior Member) (Too nice and helpfull a bloke IMHO..)
leaves the following suspects who I dont know of well enough (only being here for a month)..
tiles (Junior Member)
emmanuel (Member)
LazeeGazzz (Junior Member)
Michael (Junior Member)
So how do we setup a poll?
(just kidding guys.. didnt go to church this morning.. and got bored at home..) |
Post by geneg // Apr 29, 2006, 6:27pm
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IN the meantime someone claiming to be in defense of you, attacked my website and posted repeated negative and slandorous comments regarding my business practices.
This is somebody from this thread and I know who because of their IP address.
There is a traitor in our midsts,
Mrbones, Xmanflash:
I understand that this is 'Rants and Raves' Section, but your website business has nothing to do with this Forum. Even IF someone from here is harassing you, it is not revelvant to this Forum. It's a private matter and has nothing to do with the business of Caligari itself. Please take this matter privately, I don't care to hear about it. There are enough soap operas going on, we don't need to start another.
geneg |
Post by LazeeGazzz // Apr 29, 2006, 6:32pm
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LazeeGazzz tuning in here. Was not me......whatever it was.
This title of this thread is 'Animation upgrade in TS7.5'. What happened! When did it mutate into 'my worst dial-up-download-dilemmas' and skullduggery at Truebones.com? Can't anyone else see how ugly this is all getting? For God's sake Roman bring the release date of tS7.5 forward or eveyone will be flamed out.
We're all just one big happy band of caligari misfits trying to get on right :D ;) :cool: :confused: :jumpy: :banana::) :p :banana: (that's me in green btw)
xmanflash: re "There is a traitor in our midsts......" I think mrbones was referring to someone being unfaithful to the spirit of the forum - a free and frank but civil and signed interchange of opinion - rather than a software gangster.
That was LazeeGazzz expressing his right to be called Frank. |
Post by jamesmc // Apr 29, 2006, 6:33pm
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Good thing too,
IN the meantime someone claiming to be in defense of you, attacked my website and posted repeated negative and slandorous comments regarding my business practices.
This is somebody from this thread and I know who because of their IP address.
There is a traitor in our midsts,
I never read your forums that I'm aware. I vaguely remember that you wrote somewhere that they were down or not supported or something to that effect and didn't bother visiting. Maybe the non-supported forum was the other bone guy, puppeteer or another, don't really remember. |
Post by xmanflash // Apr 29, 2006, 6:46pm
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LazeeGazzz tuning in here. Was not me......whatever it was.
This title of this thread is 'Animation upgrade in TS7.5'. What happened! When did it mutate into 'my worst dial-up-download-dilemmas' and skullduggery at Truebones.com? Can't anyone else see how ugly this is all getting? For God's sake Roman bring the release date of tS7.5 forward or eveyone will be flamed out.
I was asking about the future of animation, and was told to look at the exaples on the caligari site - and couln't get much of them.. I have Cable - a 10 Meg file usually takes 10-20secs and I have no problems with any other sites..I am grateful to those who tried to help on *my* thread :p
xmanflash: re "There is a traitor in our midsts......" I think mrbones was referring to someone being unfaithful to the spirit of the forum - a free and frank but civil and signed interchange of opinion - rather than a software gangster.
But whats a verbal attack on Mr Bones forums got to do with being a traitor on these forums?
Mind you, I think youll find people will spend more time on the forums when theres a bit of argy, so its all good by me!
Totally with you on the TS7.5 release:jumpy: |
Post by xmanflash // Apr 29, 2006, 6:57pm
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Mrbones, Xmanflash:
I understand that this is 'Rants and Raves' Section, but your website business has nothing to do with this Forum. Even IF someone from here is harassing you, it is not revelvant to this Forum. It's a private matter and has nothing to do with the business of Caligari itself. Please take this matter privately, I don't care to hear about it. There are enough soap operas going on, we don't need to start another.
geneg
"I don't care to hear about it. There are enough soap operas going on "
Then dont read the Rants and Raves section. Seriously though I thought I was saying the same thing as you, albeit with a little more humour? |
Post by mrbones // Apr 29, 2006, 7:25pm
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It was relevant to this forum because the attacker reffered to this thread as the source of his information.
Luckily for me the customer apologized on this forum and the attacks stopped.
Thanks |
Post by Johny // Apr 29, 2006, 7:34pm
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To use myself as an example, you know that script 1 of the other forum members [Johny?] has in his sig, that shows a bunch of different messages, & 1 of them is supposed to be able to detect the viewer's IP addy? Well it doesn't work on me. Not because I'm running TreeWalk or DNSKong, but because of some weird proxy thing my ISP does [I think they call it a "transparent" or "ghost" proxy]. When I see that little IP addy script in that sig it shows a completely different IP to mine. This means that anyone else in my part of the country, using the same ISP, viewing that same IP script would also see the exact same [wrong] addy. This also causes me probs occasionally when I want to vote for 1 of the webcomics I read, as the voting system for at least 1 of the voting sites apparently uses the same flawed method, meaning that sometimes when I go to vote it says I've already voted. :(
Alien, you're right about my sig is a script.
If I add some code it's posible to track you IP, your browse, ect. If I do it, I can also track you, althougt poeple from your contry use same ip add. why? not every people from your country post here, use same browser and post time.
for example. I post here. next when someone open the page where my sig on it, his ip and others info is save. latter when you open this page, your ip also is record, other people with same ip with you open this page, their info been record too. as long as you not post mesage here, i have no way to track you. once you post here, you been cacth. why? i can see you post date and time here and if I search it from log file, of cource i can find you. probability to find you become bigger if you post more than once. this trick can also put with slime icon. For example this icon http://homepage.ntlworld.com/alien42/smilies/ninja.gif
is icon from your site. now when you read this mesagge, visit your site and open site activite log file. Seraching log time that same with my post time. if you lucky you only find one. if not lucky you will find 4 or 5. that mean there're other 4 or 5 people open this page at the same time with me. record that 5 or 6 ip message. wait until i post again. do it again and again until you find 1 ip addr. that is my ip address.
IF YOU NEVER DID A WRONG THING, WHY YOU AFFRAID YOUR IP BEEN KNOWN? (Alien this not for you, this for other that affraid their ip been known) |
Post by xmanflash // Apr 29, 2006, 11:14pm
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IF YOU NEVER DID A WRONG THING, WHY YOU AFFRAID YOUR IP BEEN KNOWN? (Alien this not for you, this for other that affraid their ip been known)
Whos afraid of their IP being known? |
Post by jamesmc // Apr 30, 2006, 4:15am
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There are reasons to hide your IP address. Before I retired, I had a consulting firm with its own computers. I used an anonymous proxy server because I didn't want my business computers all spammed up with junk. This was done on the advice of an IT type guy who worked for Department of the Defense.
Of course, that was before there was all the anti-spam, anti-spy software. I'm not sure it's as relative now. But if you own a business and use your business computers on the Internet it would probably be a good idea to be anonymous.
For private use, I guess similar reasons. Some people just don't like to be identified when they are on the Internet I guess. Perhaps not a bad choice? |
Post by Alien // Apr 30, 2006, 5:17am
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alien (Senior Member) (Too nice and helpfull a bloke IMHO..)
I do what I can. :o
So how do we setup a poll?
(just kidding guys.. )
I know you were only kidding, but just so you know - I think only the person who started the thread can start a poll... oh, wait that was you... :D in that case, I think you could probably do it by editing your 1st post, go to advanced mode, then scroll a bit further down past the edit box & you might see the relevant options [this is assuming it is actually possible to create a poll in a thread after the thread's been created, which I'm not 100% sure of].
If I add some code it's posible to track you IP, your browse, ect. If I do it, I can also track you, althougt poeple from your contry use same ip add. why? not every people from your country post here, use same browser and post time.
No, but... Think of it like this - the ISP uses those proxy servers [presumably to improve browsing performance by caching content], but whereas some ISPs give you the option of using their proxy, with mine there's no option - all traffic [at least http, I don't know about FTP & other protocols] goes through it. There are a number of these servers, 1 per area [which could easily mean user numbers in the 6 figure range (100,000+) ]. If a script, eg yours, uses the flawed method of IP tracking/recognition/whatever it will only see the proxy server, not the end user.
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/alien42/images_for_caligari_forum/wrongip.png
On the left is what your script sees [the ISP's ghost/transparent proxy server], on the right is my real IP addy.
if you lucky you only find one. if not lucky you will find 4 or 5. that mean there're other 4 or 5 people open this page at the same time with me. record that 5 or 6 ip message. wait until i post again. do it again and again until you find 1 ip addr. that is my ip address.
My ISP doesn't provide much ability beyond ordinary html/dhtml/javascript, no php, perl, or CGI with its free webspace, so I don't think I could see who'd visited. As I said before your method would only work if you were seeing the correct IP, which your sig script doesn't.
IF YOU NEVER DID A WRONG THING, WHY YOU AFFRAID YOUR IP BEEN KNOWN? (Alien this not for you, this for other that affraid their ip been known)
I know you weren't aiming that comment at me, but I think you made it because you maybe thought I was implying someone was deliberately hiding/spoofing their IP - although that is possible, it wasn't what I was saying - there are lots of people whose IP wouldn't be correctly identified by your sig script, even if [like me] they weren't doing anything to deliberately hide their IP.
Whos afraid of their IP being known?
I think Johny misunderstood 1 of my earlier posts [sorry Johny, my fault].
Of course, that was before there was all the anti-spam, anti-spy software. I'm not sure it's as relative now. But if you own a business and use your business computers on the Internet it would probably be a good idea to be anonymous.
For private use, I guess similar reasons. Some people just don't like to be identified when they are on the Internet I guess. Perhaps not a bad choice?
Absolutely. For example, I blurred out all but the 1st octet of my IP addy in the above image. Why? Consider some of the anonymous, rather beligerant posters we've had in the visitors section. If I had to guess, I'd say it's possible that at least 1/some of them was grumpy because he/she/it had a pirated version of tS & was annoyed that he couldn't post on the rest of the forum, so decided to do a bit of s*** stirring. Now, consider that some of such individuals often like to mess around with freely available "hacking tools", if I'd said anything to antagonise 1 of those trolls & posted the whole of my real IP addy, I could find myself on the receiving end of a mini DoS attack, or whatever. Whilst I'd consider my security [against outside threats] to be more-or-less adequate ATM, it's not quite as good as I'd like, which is why I'm reluctant to tempt fate.
That's just 1 possible scenario, I'm sure other people could think of others. |
Post by Johny // Apr 30, 2006, 5:39am
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Alien, my isp also use the ISP's ghost/transparent proxy server as your isp. from those ip we can know who is your isp.
I think this infomation is enough if someone make a fatal thing.
For example if you crack a site's member database and got cc number and bla..bla..
The site owner can process this by show their log data to your isp and ask your isp to check if one of their user on bla..bla.. time access bla..bla.. ip address and did bla bla bad thing. But I think is only work if your isp want to coopotare ;) And of couse is need some money to process something like this |
Post by spacekdet // Apr 30, 2006, 5:50am
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IF YOU NEVER DID A WRONG THING, WHY YOU AFFRAID YOUR IP BEEN KNOWN?
Probably for the same reason I don't like someone on the bus looking over my shoulder reading my newspaper. |
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