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Assassination
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Assassination // Image Gallery
Post by Methusela // Dec 7, 2006, 6:03pm
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Here's my next entry for the CGSphere contest.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/Methusela/Asassination.jpg
It took forever to figure out the placement of the agents so that I could fit them in the bloody picture. Also took forever to pose them since I refuse to ever use native TS Bones again (And Motion Studio isn't Vray compatible) because of how they freak out if you re-load a scene (Like what happened to my other CGSphere entry).
Critiques welcome and encouraged! |
Post by daybe // Dec 7, 2006, 6:08pm
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Nicely done, good luck with the contest, nice materials and the character to the right pointing is great. Not sure if the chartacter on the left would be able to see the red dot but maybe he see's something else. Not happy with the current government? |
Post by Morgan // Dec 7, 2006, 6:48pm
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Might be best to proceed cautiously along that line of conversation... they do investigate things like that, even if it's "in jest". (And this trend predates this administration.) |
Post by Methusela // Dec 7, 2006, 7:24pm
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Just so everybody knows, I'm not expressing any political views here, I was just trying to make a still image as action packed and suspenseful as possible (If overexaggerated, but that's just my style. 8) ). It is not meant to be threatening in any way.
Very valid point there with the fellow's eyes, I've gone and fixed that.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/Methusela/AssassinationFinal1.jpg
And I tried faking a little DOF in Photoshop, lemme know if it looks good (And if I should use it in place of the original.)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/Methusela/AssassinationFinalDOF1.jpg
Also, I was a little disappointed that I couldn't show the facial expressions on two of the agents, so I rendered them seperately. :D
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/Methusela/PushFinal.jpg
More critiques also welcome! |
Post by W!ZARD // Dec 8, 2006, 11:31pm
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Fabulous! What expressive balls you have! In the sense of being brave enough to tackle such a sensitive subject as well as in the sense that you have captured some excellent expressions on the faces of your spheres - you've captured the s'fear factor well!
FWIW I like the hint of DOF - it isolates the prez sphere and adds to the drama.
I've got a couple of other entries myself to post this evening, good luck with yours. |
Post by Methusela // Dec 9, 2006, 2:05am
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Thanks very much W!zard! I look forward to seeing yours up there too. It's nice to see that TrueSpace is being so well represented there.
Best of luck! |
Post by spacekdet // Dec 9, 2006, 8:33am
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You can hardly claim to be apolitical with the Presidential Seal on the podium.
It's a statement whether you admit it or not.
That being said, you've wrung a nice range of expression from seemingly simple models on the faces of the bystanders. |
Post by 3dpdk // Dec 9, 2006, 8:53am
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Aw ... come on guys. Art under the guise of "editorial" has always gone where other's fear to tread.
Nice action shot!
... so one might say (if approached) that this was an attempt to raise public awareness ... or some such excuse.
Nice hair piece on the main guy .. reminds me of .... hummm?
See if you can get the spot to glow a little so it looks more like a point of light rather than a red spot on his head. |
Post by Methusela // Dec 9, 2006, 6:37pm
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Here's a new render with HDRI lighting, I think I might like it better.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/Methusela/AssassinationFinalHDRI.jpg
That may well be true, Spacekdet. So I suppose the statement that I'm making is that there are few opportunities for an action shot more dramatic than an attempted assassination... Or something.
As for the point of light glowing more, I think that laser points don't fuzz out at all (But I've never seen one for real). I put a small amount of glow on this one, just in case though. |
Post by Methusela // Dec 9, 2006, 7:03pm
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Or is it better with the beam visible?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/Methusela/AssassinationFinalHDRILaser.jpg |
Post by 3dpdk // Dec 9, 2006, 7:40pm
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Hummmm .... the beam seems too obvious to me. I think you're right, the actual lazar light doesn't glow but when it reflects form the surface it's hitting, the "atmosphere" immediately surrounding it is fuzzy and glowing .... but what do I know? Without my glasses everything is fuzzy and glowing.
I'd say only go with the beam if you can subdue it somehow.
I still like it either way! |
Post by Alien // Dec 10, 2006, 10:16am
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I have to agree with the comments on the laser spot. I just dug out 1 of my power tools that has a laser guide on it, & whilst that creates a line, rather than a single spot, it definitely looks more than just a dull red spot. I tried taking a pic of the laser light on my hand to show what it's like when it hits skin, but I only have a crappy webcam, & the images wouldn't really have helped. Also, I was only holding my hand a few inches from the emitter, & a sniper is likely to be considerably further away, so the effect might be diminished somewhat.
1 idea you could try would be to create a little flat disc the size of the beam point & use material light emmision. |
Post by spacekdet // Dec 10, 2006, 1:48pm
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I could see adding a bead of sweat trickling down his temple... uh oh.! |
Post by Methusela // Dec 12, 2006, 6:09am
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Know what's not fun? Going through an entire project and re-colouring everything in greyscales for a Depth Channel. But alas, this is the only way to get DOF in Vray at the moment.
I wound up with this depth channel (I also ended up applying gaussian blur to this channel so that the DOF looked more realistic):
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/Methusela/DepthCue.jpg
And found this great, simple tutorial on how to apply the Depth Channel:
http://www.artworld.si/faking_depth_of_field-tutorial-539.art
And here's the final image. Still desperately confused as to how to fix the laser point, but this is what happens if I try to 'glow' it.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/Methusela/AssassinationFinalHDRIDOF.jpg
Comments and crits very welcome! |
Post by Alien // Dec 12, 2006, 6:38am
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Know what's not fun? Going through an entire project and re-colouring everything in greyscales for a Depth Channel. But alas, this is the only way to get DOF in Vray at the moment.
Oooooh no it isn't. :D
Switch to Lightworks, do a render to PSD, with options set to Per Geometry Layer & Depth Mask turned on. Hey presto, instant depth mask. :)
And found this great, simple tutorial on how to apply the Depth Channel:
http://www.artworld.si/faking_depth_of_field-tutorial-539.art
I've been planning on doing a short tutorial on how to create DOF in PSP. Sorry W!zard & Tiles, I've tried in the GIMP but haven't figured it out. I think it has something to do with the Depth Merge filter, but I can't seem to get the right results with it, & the help entry for it isn't very helpful.
And here's the final image. Still desperately confused as to how to fix the laser point, but this is what happens if I try to 'glow' it.
At close range [target close to source I mean] a laser point might look like that, but from a distance I don't think the centre would be so bright. |
Post by Methusela // Dec 12, 2006, 6:56am
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Switch to Lightworks, do a render to PSD, with options set to Per Geometry Layer & Depth Mask turned on. Hey presto, instant depth mask.
Ah, crap. That would've been nice to know four hours ago. XD
Guess I at least know now though.
At close range [target close to source I mean] a laser point might look like that, but from a distance I don't think the centre would be so bright.
Yeah, you're right, it'd probably be a lot closer to this:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/Methusela/Laser1.jpg
But the problem I run into now is that the point doesn't stand out nearly enough to be immediately visible. As the focal point of the image, I think it will probably need to be over-exaggerated (As is the rest of the image, really). |
Post by Methusela // Dec 12, 2006, 7:03am
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^^ This is usually why I avoid posting in the Image Gallery forum, as it always winds up being a WIP again. That can only be a good thing though. Art is never finished, it's abandoned.
So here is my abandoned work:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/Methusela/AssassinationFinalHDRIDOF1.jpg
Look for it (And rate it :D) in the CGSphere gallery! |
Post by Wigand // Dec 12, 2006, 8:27am
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Order of importance
1. A laser goes a little into the skin, so you could use SSS-Material.
2. A laser has so called 'granulation' you can see this in these pictures.
http://nsosp.nso.edu/ao/loao/gallery/aovid1.gif
3. The beam you only can see if it goes through fog or smoke.
4. If a laser goes through a very small hole you can see interference patterns. These are concentric rings.
I like your picture and when I saw it the first time immediately I realise that it is a laser. |
Post by behzad // Dec 12, 2006, 9:56am
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I love it, crazy idea but works |
Post by parva // Dec 12, 2006, 10:58am
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I like the kind of style too :D
Great picture Methusela!
First as I saw it at the other thread, I thought it's the "Bindi" (the red dot at the centre of the forehead from indians,
but there just womens have this bindi, hehe, I was a bit confused - laser pointer of course :D) |
Post by Methusela // Dec 14, 2006, 3:31am
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Ah, I finally remembered what my inspiration was for this image. XD
http://www.pbfcomics.com/archive/PBF035AD-Mimes.jpg
It's a hilarious site if you've never seen it before: http://www.pbfcomics.com |
Post by Jello // Jan 6, 2007, 1:20pm
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I find the subject matter to be somewhat disturbing . :( Nice work though.
How about President Ahmadinajad instead? :D :jumpy: :banana: |
Post by Heidi // Jan 6, 2007, 3:21pm
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Great job on all the expressions.
Maybe on the one with the microphone you can raise the front guy up a little bit? It sort of looks like the microphones are coming out of his nose. |
Post by Methusela // Jan 7, 2007, 1:30am
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The contest regulations require that I do not move the sphere. Good point though. |
Post by ed_baker // Jan 7, 2007, 7:10am
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Another even easier way to render a DOF mask without rendering to layers if you don't have iPak or TS 7 is to use Zrender by CK Game Factory:
http://ckgamefactory.hp.infoseek.co.jp/tsxe/zrender.html
Quick and easy way to get your DOF mask to bring into photoshop.
Ed |
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