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The Loft - an Audio Video Lounge and Park
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Post by 3dvisuals dude // Apr 30, 2007, 8:12am
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Well folks, I've been up for 23 hours or so and I'm about to pass out, but I told you I'd put this up for you by Monday Morning so here's 25 images.
I numbered these so after I wake up tonight I can refer to them by number and explain the unusual features they contain, some of which are very far from being obvious, but I'll do my best to explain them for you after I get some badly needed sleep.
Sorry this took so long, but it will be worth the wait I can assure you. ;)
Thanks,
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Post by 3dvisuals dude // Apr 30, 2007, 8:13am
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Here's the next batch... |
Post by 3dvisuals dude // Apr 30, 2007, 8:14am
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and the next batch... |
Post by 3dvisuals dude // Apr 30, 2007, 8:16am
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and the next... |
Post by 3dvisuals dude // Apr 30, 2007, 8:18am
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and yes, this IS the last batch...;)
I'll post explanations later tonight (Monday).
Thanks and enjoy!
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Post by 3dvisuals dude // Apr 30, 2007, 8:20am
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Oh one last thing...
The images of Steven Tyler (Aerosmith), John Lennon, Mick Jagger, and The Stargate SG1 Actors are not my Copyright, they were grabbed off the web ages ago and were used here simply for references, these persons have nothing whatsoever to do with this work of course.
Also, the expression you see here "Your Future Has Arrived" has nothing whatever to do with this work either, it is just how I feel about what Caligari has done for us all.
Explanations Follow Later - ;)
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Post by 3dvisuals dude // May 1, 2007, 2:29am
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Hi folks,
First off, if you're unhappy with my choice of textures and colors for this project you're not alone, what you see above (texture and colorwise) is only one of many versions which this model has evolved through and I wasn't happy with the images either, but something had to be put up here to get the ball rolling.
Related suggestions are fine only I won't be putting any more images in this thread on that account. What this project really needs at this point is your general consideration and hopefully your approval, nothing more, so thanks in advance for giving it your attention.
If you have specific questions please refer to the image numbers provided for the sake of clarity, thank you.
- 3dvisuals dude
"The Loft" - an Audio Video Lounge and Park proposal for truePlace and truePlay
General Description:
- Activity-Based -
"The Loft" is a structure designed to provide truePlay users with an interesting, fun, and constantly changing alternative to the more conventional static (non-changing or slowly evolving) truePlace "gallery-based environments" currently available for use which we are all now familiar with.
Unlike most current public shared spaces, "The Loft" is entirely "activity-based" rather than being "gallery-based." Being "activity-based," it is designed specifically to sustain the visitors interest over time, draw new visitors on a daily basis, and to provide a fairly vast range of interesting things for visitors to explore there as they listen to music and wander throughout it. This "vast range" I refer to is not at all obvious from glancing at the images I have provided in this thread so far, but will be explained in detail below.
- Theme Based -
There is a clear Theme Basis in the intended design and usage of The Loft. This "Theme Basis" is comprised of three parts as follows:
Theme 1) Showcasing the works and talents of trueSpace Audio, Video, and Animation Artists.
Showcasing the works and talents of trueSpace Audio, Video, and Animation Artists both to existing truePlay users and (as truePlay usage rapidly expands very soon) to entirely new audiences and related markets is one of the primary objectives of The Loft.
Accordingly, while "The Loft" does contain a fairly large gallery, that gallery is not intended for artwork at all, it is specifically designed to showcase these individuals, their works, their photos, and their websites via a standard brief intro and biography with additional web and contact links which they may place there for new and frequent visitors.
The Loft going online would represent to these particular Artists an excellent opportunity for daily new exposure accordingly. That same exposure will of course also include other Artists whom after sampling these works at The Loft may seek to collaborate with them on similar endeavors. For trueSpace Audio, Video, and Animation contributors to The Loft, this would represent an unprecedented and golden opportunity accordingly.
In the Upper Pyramid of The Loft you will see a total of 55 Controllers (others could exist in the Park as well - see the last paragraph of Theme 2 below).
As for these 55 in the upper Loft Pyramid, 8 exist as exit links in the center floor of the room, 3 reside in the Control Loft atop the semi-spiral ramp, and the remaining 44 exist (11 on each of 4 long horizontal panels) on the Pyramid's floor level along the rails.
As for the 3 in the Control Loft, one is for Video selection pertaining to the smallscreen directly above it as well as for establishing or breaking sync with the 4 lower largescreens, one is for Recorded Audio files to be heard over the 4 Control Loft Speakers as well as for establishing or breaking audio sync with the 4 huge Pyramid Speaker Sets below (on the Pyramid struts), and one Live Audio Controller is dedicated specifically for management of Near-Live Jamming Sessions via "Ninjam" (free and cross-platform) and "Reaper" (awesome and inexpensive) software for special concerts and/or scheduled jamming events.
As for the 44 on the floor level, one in the center of each of these four long panels would control a largescreen display directly above it (establishing or breaking sync with the other upper Loft displays) and the remaining 40 controls are comprised of 10 controls on each of the 4 long panels (5 on each side of each display controller) which would display a still image sample from a related video or animation which when clicked would send it to the largescreen display above that particular control panel.
Obviously rules would have to be established as to how the audio is distributed when conflicting audio cues are sent from 7 separate audio controllers, but that's a logic and scripting issue... I'm just the modeler you get to blame for it. I would hope that all visitors would be polite and ask other simultaneous visitors for a "next turn," but scripts can control that if need be.
As for the distribution of audio from the upper Pyramid Level to the lower Park level of The Loft, there are four gargantuan speaker sets on the underside of the upper Pyramid Level on the center stalagtite crystal which are directly above the entire Park Level. Users of the Park Level could simply click on that large center stalagtite crystal to enable or disable audio piping to the Park, and a priority override button for that same purpose would exist at the Park Level Theater Podium for those conducting Theater Presentations to have absolute control over that particular feature while addressing their groups in the Threater.
In other words, if there's no formal presentations being conducted in the Park Theater, and you want to explore the Park Level while your Avatar dances to some music which you cued while you were in the upper Pyramid... no problem, just go to the Park Level and click the huge speakers above you. They will play the music you cued until someone else or yourself goes to the upper Pyramid and cues something different.
For that specific reason a device was created (beneath the Park Level's Crystal-Topped Open Pyramid) which when clicked upon would transport you to the upper Loft Pyramid, it looks like a green arrow pointing up.
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Post by 3dvisuals dude // May 1, 2007, 2:31am
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Theme 2) Showcasing the awesome power and potential of Caligari trueSpace 7.5 to potential new Customers and Hosts.
The secondary theme in this "Theme Basis" is one of separately and specifically introducing Caligari, trueSpace 7.5, and the potential of trueServe to visitors and guests completely unfamiliar with all three. There would be *many* guests of this kind.
You have all just seen the Octagonal Kiosk in the images above, but that's just for casual examination and is only the beginning. Each display activated on that Kiosk would introduce user-controlled overviews of key points in relation to trueSpace 7.5 as well as the potential of becoming a trueServe Host, but each would end by suggesting that the visitor explore the device and links within the adjacent Crystal Dome for further related details and specific offers from Caligari.
Inside the Crystal Dome is a device which when activated would provide Four Hundred and Sixty Four (464) directly-related web page links as well as several Video Shorts each of which separately and specifically introduce Caligari, trueSpace 7.5, and the unparalleled potential of trueServe Hosting to visitors and guests completely unfamiliar with all three.
To accomplish this there are nine buttons on the Control Device within the Crystal Dome, eight of which would each simultaneously change the links on the 58 Link Display Units in the surrounding semi-circle. The Crystal Dome itself is intended to either dim or eliminate the volume of any music playing outside the Dome in order to facilitate the visitors focus.
464 directly-related web pages may seem like a lot, but bear in mind that many of these pages already exist, others exist which are cross-related (further reducing that number), some should be written which have yet to be, and I would be willing to assist in writing others free of charge just for putting The Loft online on a Caligari Server. Other supporters of this project may volunteer as well.
The ninth button on the Crystal Dome Control Device is intended for use by all vistors to The Loft but it;s specific purpose and related functions would be determined by Contributing Artists to The Loft as an added special incentive for their participation. It would provide up to 464 additional features (not just links) for the entire Crystal Dome itself which they would decide amongst themselves alone prior to any online launch of The Loft.
These Features would of course be first subject to the approval of the Host.
Again, not all the functions of The Loft are obvious at a glance.
Theme 3) A Park environment with music and lots to do as you explore it.
Well you've seen some of what there would be to do at The Loft Pyramid and the Loft Park Level, but definitely not all of it.
In the images I displayed above in this thread there is one significant thing missing... Avatars. Lots, and lots of Avatars. Some would be milling about up in the video short displays in the upper Pyramid, some would be hovering down the long ramp and viewing the Skydome Scenery (not used in the images above but I would make some using Vue d'Esprit for this project and perhaps even alternate them), some would be checking out the Caligari-related links both at the Park Level Kiosk and in the Crystal Dome, and still others would be hovering around the Artists Profiles Gallery which surrounds the entire Park Level clicking those links.
Most however, would be doing two other things entirely... it is those two things which would make this entire Loft Project a huge and continual success... they would be "web surfing" and "socializing."
Just above the Park Level and surrounding it is a grass walkway (hoverway) with a crystal railing which is a lot like a balcony over the entire park. Just above those crystal railings are 44 hovering metal devices with screens. In the images above those screens are simply textured with a blue color, but if The Loft goes online that blue color would be replaced by 44 screencaptured images of the very hottest Audio, Video, and Animation-related web sites we can all think of, with 44 entirely different ones appearing every day.
308 Awesome web links to explore... only instead of doing it alone at home you'd be doing it in a place where lots of other people with identical interests are also doing it at the same time... many interesting people to meet and talk with, some of whom will also happen to be extremely talented Artisans of Audio, Video, and Animation.
This Loft Park would be a great setting for inviting both formal and informal guests, friends, and family members to come join you to get a glimpse of just one of the interesting kinds of worlds you can create yourself now thanks to Caligari and trueSpace. I didn't design this place to have people say "cool," I designed it for us all to have fun with every day online, and together we can. This may be far from perfect but at least it IS a start.
This is a huge world of opportunity which Caligari has just opened up to each of us in creating an absolutely awesome 3D design software capable of making amazing models and entirely unprecedented new interactive virtual worlds for all of us to enjoy.
Lets do it then now and get this ball rolling, shall we? I've done my part, now it's your turn. This place could genuinely become a lot of fun for us all to visit and explore but without your support it ends here, and that would be a big waste for all of us truePlay users.
Lets make this happen folks. What do you say?
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Post by EyeInStein // May 4, 2007, 10:26am
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I would like to have seen this first hand. I have asked about truePlay in other places, and the reception for the format seems less than enthusiastic - which I really fail to understand.
Maybe artists are mainly solitary observers - concerned with producing their filtered view of their world for the rest of the world to see. I don't know, I'm no artist - just a spare-time modeler and skinner (mostly for gaming environments) - and we do nothing BUT chatter about what we are doing and upload them for everyone to experience.
Anyway, it would be nice to see where exactly you are going with it. |
Post by jayr // May 4, 2007, 10:50am
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Maybe artists are mainly solitary observers - concerned with producing their filtered view of their world for the rest of the world to see. I don't know, I'm no artist - just a spare-time modeler and skinner (mostly for gaming environments) - and we do nothing BUT chatter about what we are doing and upload them for everyone to experience.
Not sure if this applies here, this forum is quite busy after all, but i understand what you mean. i think trueplace is a great idea but the times i've loged in theres been no one else there. At least part of the problem is time difference between users in the U.S. and the ones in europe as well as the time difference across america. Take a look at the big meeting going on on wednesday, i'm going to have to be up at 1am to be there.
I think some of these issue are going to be sorted, someone from caligari mentioned cutting the number of place to vist so you have more of a chance of meeting someone on line. I hope it works out.
I'm looking forward to the time we can upload our own avatars we've modeled, that really would be fun. |
Post by 3dvisuals dude // May 4, 2007, 6:11pm
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I would like to have seen this first hand. I have asked about truePlay in other places, and the reception for the format seems less than enthusiastic - which I really fail to understand.
Maybe artists are mainly solitary observers - concerned with producing their filtered view of their world for the rest of the world to see. I don't know, I'm no artist - just a spare-time modeler and skinner (mostly for gaming environments) - and we do nothing BUT chatter about what we are doing and upload them for everyone to experience.
Anyway, it would be nice to see where exactly you are going with it.
Hi EyeInStein, and thank you for being the first person to respond to this effort... I was beginning to think that no one cared in the least about the possibility of seeing this project go live at all.
It seems like you and I have a similar attitude toward truePlay, being primarily a modeler myself as opposed to a rendering "artist" I have a viewpoint more akin to that of game developers such as yourself. When I visit a shared space via truePlay I not only experience the place as intended, I always simultaneously see the place (any place) in terms of what it doesn't contain or could contain, what possibilities are absent.
(see my signature tagline, it's become a way of life for me for many years);)
I know what you mean about the "less than enthusiastic reception" which the truePlay format often evokes, and I too fail to see why other people don't grasp the absolutely enormous potential this technology now represents.
Granted, the only currently available public shared spaces are not highly developed "activity based" locations, and as you said "artists" do tend to be "solitary observers" and often are preoccupied with expressing their own views as opposed to objectively experiencing the views of others... which no doubt plays a part in all this as well.
As for wanting to see where this particular project is going, this is it... right here... if there are enough people who would like to see it go live and they were to say so here than perhaps it would, otherwise why should it?
I too would like to experience it live, it would actually be a lot of fun and a cool place to hangout and meet people. One thing for sure about it, is that if no one else happened to be online in there at the same time you visited it, you would still have plenty of interesting things to do in there until someone finally showed up! :D I'm fairly certain it would always be occupied though, given that it offers a pretty good variety of activities by design.
Lets hope a few more folks feel the same way about it as you and I do.;)
Thanks,
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Post by 3dvisuals dude // May 4, 2007, 6:27pm
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Not sure if this applies here, this forum is quite busy after all, but i understand what you mean. i think trueplace is a great idea but the times i've loged in theres been no one else there. At least part of the problem is time difference between users in the U.S. and the ones in europe as well as the time difference across america. Take a look at the big meeting going on on wednesday, i'm going to have to be up at 1am to be there.
I think some of these issue are going to be sorted, someone from caligari mentioned cutting the number of place to vist so you have more of a chance of meeting someone on line. I hope it works out.
I'm looking forward to the time we can upload our own avatars we've modeled, that really would be fun.
Hi Jayr, and thanks for stopping in here too.
Yeah, Tom had mentioned in another thread that truePlay is scheduled for an update at some point soon which will address the issue of people not being able to find one another, and I welcome that development too. It will help to make truePlay more popular and widely utilized in several ways.
Your also very right about the global time differences playing a big part as well, perhaps they will set up some kind of "User Visits Board" in a lobby entry point which displays the days of the week and times in which other visitors have logged in, giving others a better guess as to when they might find you again in there... just a thought but I'm sure they'll invent some mechanism for that issue in time.
I too would like to see the day when we can upload our own designs as truePlay avatars... that would make a huge difference in the fun and popularity of truePlay shared spaces for sure! ;)
Thanks for dropping in,
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Post by 3dvisuals dude // May 4, 2007, 8:36pm
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Regarding Light Reflection Considerations in the upper Loft Pyramid Design:
It just ocurred to me that I should probably point out what led to the decision to employ such a contrasting dark upper loft pyramid area with such a light lower loft park area.
Since the primary usage of the upper Loft Pyramid would of course be motion Video and Animation display (in addition to Audio usage) and most of those uses would be on the 4 LargeScreens at the floor level rather than the SmallScreen in the actual Control Loft, this required 3 related design modifications as follows:
1) The 4 LargeScreens had to be tilted (as seen in Images #03 and #13) to avoid excessive environmental glare from the surrounding Skydome when it is used online.
2) Anti-Glare Slats were created and used in the Pyramid top just above the Control Loft (as clearly seen in Image #10) because (as W!ZARD had wisely pointed out earlier) people are accustomed to a less "open" environment when viewing videos in general. This was a compromise, as I prefer a more open space myself, but I believe in hindsight that he was right about that.
3) A dark and non-transparent carpet-like texture had to be utilized for the actual Loft Pyramid floor to cut down on environmental light bounce and diffusion so that videos and animations could be viewed on the 4 LargeScreens without the steady and annoying distraction of excessive related glare and reflection.
Accordingly, the "Your Future Has Arrived" image (also utilized on the screen within the Park's Crystal Dome in Images #17, #18. and #25) was employed as a carpet in the upper Loft Pyramid (see Images #03 and #05 through #07) in order to resolve that issue as well as to simultaneously plant a seed of curiousity in the arriving vistors as to what was actually meant by that phrase, a curiousity which would be satisfied only by exploring the answers to be found within the Park's Crystal Dome.
It should also be pointed out that the upper Pyramid (being a gemstone with transparency and refraction) is largely transparent, and as such when viewed from below in the Park Level contained so many reflections (impossible to accurately reproduce online) as well as numerous and mixed levels of transparencies that to leave a light texture on the Pyramid floor would present a bandwidth issue accordingly in regard to making that Pyramid look good online when viewed from the Park Level below. A potential issue now resolved.
If this proposal were to be actively considered for adoption none of the existing 3D designs or textures currently employed are "carved in stone" of course, anything could be modified or replaced. The objective here of establishing an "activity-based" truePlace (a prototype of many possible variations) far outweighs any of the current design particulars in my mind at least.
What we need is a place like this now, as hopefully more of you will agree.;)
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Post by Methusela // May 9, 2007, 4:56pm
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Your workrate is astounding! You would rival even John Logan for modeling so much! |
Post by JPSofCA // Jun 4, 2007, 6:42am
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:) I know it's been a while, but I wasn't on three weeks ago to see this. Your "The Loft" space looks great - nice color scheme and elaborate modeling...I wouldn't mind showing up to this truePlace to hang out and listen to some tunes.
I think this is a great idea, but I would like to chime in on the reasons I think truePlace isn't as busy as one might expect a meeting place to be at this time. It's age mainly: few people outside of the tS community knows about it, and those of us within may be waiting for its features to become more "finalized" to become involved.
One important thing truePlace lacks which you can find in any "chat" application is a system tray icon which notifies you of people online. Nobody wants to sit with truePlace open, switching from room to room to see if anyone is online, and then go back to what you were doing. I think this is a necessary feature (they should look at this before looking at removing the number of places to go) and I think this feature, just as in the chat apps, (before it gets hard-coded) should be optionally active, not forced.
When chat apps first hit the scene, everyone (more or less) used them. Nowadays everyone (more or less) is sick of them, would rather not get tied up in a conversation (thinking "I've got s#!t to do") and so on...as it stands I don't have my system trays enable on any of them - it's been the longest time since I've used ICQ (I just didn't trust it) and I don't know when the last time I opened Yahoo or MSN messengers was.
But with truePlace, I think that when I'm in a modeling groove, I wouldn't mind activating my system tray icon, and when someone pops in I'd be likely to go in and say hi, see what's going on, play around with some collaborative modeling or anything else that comes down the line such as listening to a jam in "The Loft" or any other user-created, Caligari-approved activity that has worked its way into the truePlace world! Being a more specific communtity, I would be more likely to check it out (having "things to do" there) than I would to go onto MSN to see that my aunt doesn't use her messenger much anymore either - for some reason auntie prefer long distance phone bills to instant messengers. :)
truePlace is still very young, and could use a couple more essential features, but with those shortcomings aside, "The Loft" is the kind of place I would like to visit in a more complete and easier-to-utilize (tray-icon) truePlace...great work 3DVD! :cool: |
Post by 3dvisuals dude // Jun 5, 2007, 4:43pm
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@ Methuselah -
Thanks. Now if I was just 1/10 as talented as John I'd be a very happy camper! ;)
@ JPSofCA -
Thanks, yeah it will be cool when it goes live eventually, and it will at some point, but it will be on my own Server at that point with some very heavy modifications. It will be much larger and far more elaborate (underwater techno-caves, many more activities and activity types, etcetera) by then, but I expect to launch it within a year if all goes according to plan.
I'm not sure at this point which specific type of server software platform I will be using for it at that point since I plan to invest (with others) in both trueServe and TGEA Commercial simultaneously (as well as T1/T3 Lines and 2 Server Hardware Platforms), but I anticipate that Caligari will be doing some amazing things with trueServe (just a gut feeling ;) ) pretty soon so I will most probably go that direction with it.
As for truePlay enhancements, yeah... you have a good idea there. I expect there will be some dramatic changes with truePlay 2 whenever it arrives and I wouldn't be surprised if they utilize something very much like your tray notification suggestion which is one of several great ideas I've seen suggested here for truePlay upgrades. I suspect they'll surprise us.;)
Judging from one of the latest Captains Blog entries it appears that trueServe and truePlay are each slated (at some unknown point) for a transition from the existing TS7.0 Compatability to a new TS7.5x Compatability... which will be awesome for texturing and perhaps one of the main reasons for the current Workspace emphasis on DX9 Shaders. Big things may soon be coming now.:D
Thanks again, and whenever "The Loft V2" goes live I'll post the link here.
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Post by frootee // Jun 7, 2007, 4:01am
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This does look very interesting. But, is it possible to upload your own shared space to the trueplay server for free? I thought you had to purchase trueserve in order to implement this. If my assumption is correct, that may explain the lack of response, since no one can go there anyway even if they wanted to, since there's no way to even get it uploaded. But, if it is possible to load this up for free, then I'd be there for sure! Assuming of course I could get my computer configured correctly! Every time I start trueplay now it crashes; maybe because I switched to verizon FIOS and have a different type of router. (?)
Anyway. It would be interesting to see this go live and be able to run around in it with other people.
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Post by 3dvisuals dude // Jun 7, 2007, 5:08pm
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This does look very interesting. But, is it possible to upload your own shared space to the trueplay server for free? I thought you had to purchase trueserve in order to implement this. If my assumption is correct, that may explain the lack of response, since no one can go there anyway even if they wanted to, since there's no way to even get it uploaded. But, if it is possible to load this up for free, then I'd be there for sure! Assuming of course I could get my computer configured correctly! Every time I start trueplay now it crashes; maybe because I switched to verizon FIOS and have a different type of router. (?)
Anyway. It would be interesting to see this go live and be able to run around in it with other people.
Frootee
Hi Frootee,
Actually I do intend to lease trueServe for several commercial purposes in the near future, and if server space and bandwidth permits I will add this to the other destinations involved at some point.
As for whether or not Caligari allows the addition of user created structures to existing Caligari Shared Space Servers (accessable via trueSpace 7x) you would have to ask them directly about that. I wouldn't presume to add a space of this size or complexity to their servers even if it were permitted though, and this particular project would require a great deal of scripting at the server end for functionality anyway which aside from bandwidth would also be a significant financial obstacle requiring an equally significant Return On Investment margin for it to be realistic from a Server Host's perspective.
As it is, I will be remodeling this project extensively and selling both it and advertising venues within it to third parties when I have it installed on an MMO Server. When that time comes it will not be guesswork for the new Host to predict R.O.I. Margin for it, they will already have the clientelle to utilize it and be well aware of all it's upfront and ongoing financial aspects accordingly.
Roman mentioned in another thread at these forums as well as in the Captain's Blog somewhere that Caligari does intend to offer Customers the option ~at some point in the future~ of leasing shared space at "an affordable rate" for (presumably smaller and less complex) user-created structures. You will have to ask them about when though, all I know is that at the moment the pricing structure for such leasing has not been made public so far, and I expect that the transition from the existing TS7.0 Server Side software to the planned TS7.5x software level will precede any related news.
So yeah, the Loft's modified version 2 will go live at some point but the server for it will not be a Caligari server. I'll post the link here of course whenever that day does arrive so you'll be able to enjoy it then. There will never be any charge to the users for utilizing any of the structures I host or sell to other hosts however, all revenues will be derived through other avenues.
Thanks,
- 3dvisuals dude |
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