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a way to hold more then 100 contacts :-) // Wishlistdata21Apr 5, 2001, 8:32am
This would be nice to have, as right now I just make 2 or more lists and use
one at a time. Right now the contact list is stored in a .txt file. A [ .doc file or a .dat file ] would hold alot more, but the AW program will only use and see a .txt file for use as the contact list for now. foxmccloudApr 5, 2001, 1:10pm
In what way would changing the extension of a file allow it to hold more contacts? :)
Fox Mc Cloud "data21" <dbmiller at kiski.net> a écrit dans le message news: 3acc49d7 at server1.Activeworlds.com... > This would be nice to have, as right now I just make 2 or more lists and use > one at a time. > Right now the contact list is stored in a .txt file. > A [ .doc file or a .dat file ] would hold alot more, but the AW program will > only use and see a .txt file for use as the contact list for now. wingApr 5, 2001, 6:57pm
Apparently he's a TOTAL newbie to comps and thinks that since notepad's native format is TXT and it's limited in the filesize it can
open, that a "larger" format should be used, when in reality I have text files larger than his brain. [View Quote] ananasApr 5, 2001, 7:30pm
Well, if that's true he doesn't know much about file formats - but you
don't seem to know the difference between knowledge and intelligence. Oh, and you should check your knowledge about possible file sizes, here are 2 links that might help you : http://www.abbottloop.org/alconweb/i_c_r/zbrain.htm http://www.jimpinto.com/writings/symbiotic.html If you do not find a medium that can take the required amount of data you will hardly be able to create a single file that can contain all the informations a brain can hold. [View Quote] > Apparently he's a TOTAL newbie to comps and thinks that since notepad's= native format is TXT and it's limited in the filesize it can > open, that a "larger" format should be used, when in reality I have tex= t files larger than his brain. [View Quote] data21Apr 5, 2001, 8:34pm
For your information wing, I am not a newbie, and I wish you would not reply
to my posts if all your going to do is insult me. [View Quote] Oh, and you should check your knowledge about possible file sizes, here are 2 links that might help you : http://www.abbottloop.org/alconweb/i_c_r/zbrain.htm http://www.jimpinto.com/writings/symbiotic.html If you do not find a medium that can take the required amount of data you will hardly be able to create a single file that can contain all the informations a brain can hold. [View Quote] data21Apr 5, 2001, 8:38pm
If you ever opened your contacts.txt you will see why it only holds 100.
Its the way the contacts are stored in it. [View Quote] Oh, and you should check your knowledge about possible file sizes, here are 2 links that might help you : http://www.abbottloop.org/alconweb/i_c_r/zbrain.htm http://www.jimpinto.com/writings/symbiotic.html If you do not find a medium that can take the required amount of data you will hardly be able to create a single file that can contain all the informations a brain can hold. [View Quote] tony mApr 5, 2001, 8:42pm
*sighs* this has already been raised, debated, and defeated.
It would put ALOT more lag on the Universe with the browsers querying lots of users. This can be abused too, purposely lagging the system by adding 1000+ contacts. [View Quote] j b e l lApr 5, 2001, 8:57pm
*applauds* thank you tony.. i was too lazy to post this myself..
-- -- J B E L L http://platinum.awjbell.com G O I N G P L A T I N U M [View Quote] wingApr 5, 2001, 9:45pm
I've seen the statistics on brain filesize :) But that gives a LOT of people in this world too much credit.
-- I live in a world of stupid people... Even though I'm smart enough to know this, I'm still dumb enough to live. [View Quote] Oh, and you should check your knowledge about possible file sizes, here are 2 links that might help you : http://www.abbottloop.org/alconweb/i_c_r/zbrain.htm http://www.jimpinto.com/writings/symbiotic.html If you do not find a medium that can take the required amount of data you will hardly be able to create a single file that can contain all the informations a brain can hold. [View Quote] wingApr 5, 2001, 9:46pm
Amen that. The social rejects of AW with GIGANTIC contact lists of every single citizen would make a game out of logging on and
watching everyone "leave" [View Quote] data21Apr 6, 2001, 5:54am
For your information wing, I am NOT a newbie. I was just thinking of better
ways to store that contact list. [View Quote] the derekApr 7, 2001, 11:07pm
...and changing the extension would do what...? i dont think it has anything to
do with the filesize really, but if it does it sohuldnt be hard for aw to make their program work wiht larger files. this is more of a concern probably about people going in the file and going 1 2 3 4 etc to put EVERY citizen on their contact list... [View Quote] > This would be nice to have, as right now I just make 2 or more lists and use > one at a time. > Right now the contact list is stored in a .txt file. > A [ .doc file or a .dat file ] would hold alot more, but the AW program will > only use and see a .txt file for use as the contact list for now. the derekApr 7, 2001, 11:11pm
ive actually seen a program on tv which compared humans to computers. computers beat humans on everyting including speed
dependablity(consistency) etc, BUT lost at how much it could store.. we can store about 1000 times as much as a computer can possibly hold in (even with a lot fo drives- a standard pc can only hold as many drives as there are letters... and also most home pcs can only hold about 3-4 max hard drives) Just my 2cents lol... [View Quote] > I've seen the statistics on brain filesize :) But that gives a LOT of people in this world too much credit. > > -- > I live in a world of stupid people... > Even though I'm smart enough to know this, > I'm still dumb enough to live. [View Quote] ananasApr 7, 2001, 11:43pm
Windows PC is restricted to the letters, Unix doesn't know drive
letters, you just create a folder so you have a mountpoint and use a command to "glue" a partition to this mountpoint - and again one step further away from the topic, sorry ;) [View Quote] sw comitApr 8, 2001, 2:29am
Crimany, Wing, no need for the childess insults. Let's act a little more
mature shall we? -- SW Comit swcomit at swcity.net Mayor of SW City http://www.swcity.net President of Community Linkage Commission http://comlinkage.tripod.com felix2001Apr 8, 2001, 5:11am
Hmmm, I see what you're getting at. When a text file gets too big, notepad
tells you and chooses to use WordPad instead, but Active Worlds does not use the same technology as notepad to open text files - that's just notepad's limit for some idiotic reason. Also, I don't know if 100 lines is even notepad's limit, so.... lol Good Idea though, but .doc or .dat files would not hold any more for any reason. As I say, a text file can be as big as a drive can hold, I believe, although you may not be able to open it ;) [View Quote] ananasApr 8, 2001, 7:56am
Notepad has a limit of 64K in the small windows versions, at least in
the older ones. The limit would be 32767 (or a little below) lines as an empty line consumes at least 2 bytes. INI files had the same in 16bit windows versions, as long as you accessed them with the standard windows methods. I mention the INI file as it makes clear where this limit came from, the maximum amount of memory that a 16Bit Intel CPU could allocate in one piece was (2 to the power of 16) bytes - and 2^16=65536. All the following informations come from seeing what how things look like, I have no informations about the conzept how the browser/universe/world work together, but watch the program you use and you will find that it must be like I describe it or at least very similar. The maximum size of a contacts.txt at the moment would be 800 bytes = (6 places for the user number + 2 places for the line end) * 100 lines. This is neither a technical limitation of a .TXT file nor one of the AW browser. It is limited to reduce the traffic, the time to update the name of 100 contact numbers is already quite long - and the information about the online status and world has to go through the universe server too. One solution could be reducing the refresh rate for online status, but that would just set a new, somewhat higher limit. Another one would be to have 2 types of contact entries, those that are only informational and those that are queried for their online status. That you can already have with http://oct31.de/aw/awclbot A third way would be to move the complete contact list handling to the universe (or any other central) server and transfer only status changes to the browser, the browser just would reeive an information when someone goes or comes, changes his name or the world where he is. Lots of code rewrite I bet. [View Quote] wingApr 8, 2001, 6:41pm
Hrmm. 26 drives max, letters A and B need to be reserved to floppy, so that's 24. At 100 gigs a drive, that's 2,400 gigs. Which is
two terrabytes. Human brain size is approximately 10 terrabytes, and we just MAY be overestimating that because we think we're so special. [View Quote] wingApr 8, 2001, 9:07pm
I was simply proving his 1000x maximum electronic storage statement wrong in my own little way. 2.4x1000=10? Um no.
[View Quote] the derekApr 8, 2001, 11:45pm
well... take EVERYTHING you know... take all the photographic memories you have... trying to put all that on a computer would eb pretty
big.. especially for like 90 uyear olds [View Quote] > Hrmm. 26 drives max, letters A and B need to be reserved to floppy, so that's 24. At 100 gigs a drive, that's 2,400 gigs. Which is > two terrabytes. Human brain size is approximately 10 terrabytes, and we just MAY be overestimating that because we think we're so > special. [View Quote] the derekApr 8, 2001, 11:48pm
since the contacts list is line by line... and is REAd line by line... there is
no limit on how big it can be. this is just aw deciding that people shouldn't have more than that many people on their contact list notepad can only read files with so many characters because it opens the whole files ta once... word pad can open larger ones because it reads files character by character [View Quote] > Hmmm, I see what you're getting at. When a text file gets too big, notepad > tells you and chooses to use WordPad instead, but Active Worlds does not use > the same technology as notepad to open text files - that's just notepad's > limit for some idiotic reason. Also, I don't know if 100 lines is even > notepad's limit, so.... lol Good Idea though, but .doc or .dat files would > not hold any more for any reason. As I say, a text file can be as big as a > drive can hold, I believe, although you may not be able to open it ;) [View Quote] wingApr 9, 2001, 1:49am
I can pick out only EXTREMELY select and VERY vague images from nine years ago at max. Hell, I don't even know what I wore
yesterday. For the most part, only very traumatic images are stored for later retrieval. Not too much extra space unless you've been to war or the like. [View Quote] foxmccloudApr 9, 2001, 1:51am
Anyway I don't think you can directly compare brain storage and disk storage. Disk storage is a numeric method, while our brain
retains data in analog form, which makes all the difference. there are no bits & bytes in our brains... do you think pictures are stored in JPG format, integers in 32-bits and texts in 256 chars ASCII format ? :) Well, you can try to roughly estimate how much it would take to store all of this ona hard disk drive, but even then, there are things in our brains that can't be stored on a hard disk drive. What about memories of feelings, odors, tastes? what about the movements we learn and remember? (and NO, they aren't stored in .seq files :P) I don't think you can compare brain and disk size any way. Fox Mc Cloud "the derek" <ImTheDerek at yahoo.com> a écrit dans le message news: 3AD111C2.D485C602 at yahoo.com... > well... take EVERYTHING you know... take all the photographic memories you have... trying to put all that on a computer would eb pretty > big.. especially for like 90 uyear olds the derekApr 9, 2001, 6:08am
lol well being a kid 9 years ago is over half my life.. and i dont have any trouble at rmembering what i wore yesterday.. although what
i ate for dinner is another question.... i guess it depends on the person... im pretty good myself at remembering things like that.. and i can also remember maps pretty easily too whatever you use that head of yours for.. who really cares as long as you use it lol [View Quote] > I can pick out only EXTREMELY select and VERY vague images from nine years ago at max. Hell, I don't even know what I wore > yesterday. For the most part, only very traumatic images are stored for later retrieval. Not too much extra space unless you've been > to war or the like. [View Quote] the derekApr 9, 2001, 6:09am
it was just a stupid comment anyway... and are you sure my movements arnt stored in .seq files?
[View Quote] > Anyway I don't think you can directly compare brain storage and disk storage. Disk storage is a numeric method, while our brain > retains data in analog form, which makes all the difference. there are no bits & bytes in our brains... do you think pictures are > stored in JPG format, integers in 32-bits and texts in 256 chars ASCII format ? :) Well, you can try to roughly estimate how much it > would take to store all of this ona hard disk drive, but even then, there are things in our brains that can't be stored on a hard > disk drive. What about memories of feelings, odors, tastes? what about the movements we learn and remember? (and NO, they aren't > stored in .seq files :P) > I don't think you can compare brain and disk size any way. > > Fox Mc Cloud > > "the derek" <ImTheDerek at yahoo.com> a écrit dans le message news: 3AD111C2.D485C602 at yahoo.com... > pretty |
